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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,077
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    dflea said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ApostleofGrief said:

    "National security emergencies" are the default dictator power abuse excuse.

    Why didn't I hear this for the 28 we have?
    Because there are good reasons for them?

    Just a guess.

    My second guess is that you don't notice things that don't fit your narrative.

    Did I win?
    You pretty concerned about Yemen are you?

    You lose
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    LebamDawgLebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,559
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    JFC - there are 31 active National Emergencies in effect. There is only 1 or 2 of these that dealt with the US - the rest are knee jerk reactions I think to appease some loud mouth (could be an org, individual, assn, or a ranking member of Congress) and his special cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States

    Yes Wikipedia is my source
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    sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
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    Meanwhile Master Beto Kennedy is demanding the existing Wall be torn down ‘cause Barriers are too effective.

    Can’t make this shit up.
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    ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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    RaceBannon said:

    ApostleofGrief said:

    "National security emergencies" are the default dictator power abuse excuse.

    Why didn't I hear this for the 28 we have?
    Because they actually were emergencies, not fake emergencies designed to work around what Congress has already refused to fund.
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    LebamDawgLebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,559
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    ApostleofGrief said:

    RaceBannon said:

    ApostleofGrief said:

    "National security emergencies" are the default dictator power abuse excuse.

    Why didn't I hear this for the 28 we have?
    Because they actually were emergencies, not fake emergencies designed to work around what Congress has already refused to fund.
    better read what those "real emergencies" were
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,077
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    And congress has funded a wall many times
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,077
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    . Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)
    2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)
    3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)
    4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)
    5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)
    6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)
    7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)
    8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)
    9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)
    10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)
    11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)
    12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)
    13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)
    14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)
    15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)
    16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)
    17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)
    18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)
    19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)
    20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)
    21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)
    22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)
    23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)
    24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)
    25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)
    26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)
    27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)
    28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)
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    sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
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    #6. Did the people in Alaska even get a chance to vote on it?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    RaceBannon said:

    LebamDawg said:

    JFC - there are 31 active National Emergencies in effect. There is only 1 or 2 of these that dealt with the US - the rest are knee jerk reactions I think to appease some loud mouth (could be an org, individual, assn, or a ranking member of Congress) and his special cause.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States

    Yes Wikipedia is my source

    That was the point of my OP and link but I don't follow links either

    The honest truth is

    Trump declares one and the usual suspects are against it. He needs to do one for opiods!!! Except he did but it was a HEALTH emergency.

    My truth is I want a fucking wall and at this point if a national emergency gets it then fine

    They do seem to be useless as a whole
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,331
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    When I don’t get my way, it’s a fucking emergency!
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,332
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    HHusky said:

    When I don’t get my way, it’s a fucking emergency!

    No need for speed dial Marcus...it's only 3 digits
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,077
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    An open border certainly qualifies to people that love the country

    So not you H
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    RaceBannon said:

    An open border certainly qualifies to people that love the country

    So not you H

    Race, why didn't you scream about a border wall under Obama? What changed that this is now an emergency?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,269
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    So like many emergency orders this one can be:

    Blocking Property or Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of USA.

    Blocking Property or Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of the USA or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions

    Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations

    Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers

    Blocking Property of Certain Persons and persons Contributing to drug crime in the USA

    Wow change a word or two here and there and it's pretty simple. They all seemed like good reasons for past emergencies. I think it'll work now.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,077
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    Scream? What are you talking about?

    We built 600 miles of wall under Obama and Bush

    Are you really this stupid?
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    ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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    The entire "emergency" argument is fake on the simple argument that 1) if it were an emergency, it would have been declared an emergency 20 years ago. Since then, illegal crossings have decreased. And 2), Trump is flagrantly contradicting Congress's budget. The president can NOT make his own budget and his own laws.

    This is a flagrant abuse of power, a tyrannical move and exactly what the Founders warned about in the Federalist Papers.
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