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I actually prefer the win/loss statistic myself.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake. -
Jake Browning is the winningest QB in Pac-12 historygreenblood said:
I actually prefer the win/loss statistic myself.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake. -
Most stats are meaningless in isolation, hence the rise in advanced stats and analytics. Yards per play, while better than PPG, is also meaningless by itself as it doesn’t account for red zone D, turnovers, 3rd down efficiency, etc.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake. -
This isn't true because red zone and 3rd efficiency (good or bad) are largely unsustainable and will typically return to the mean success rates one would expect from yards per play.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Most stats are meaningless in isolation, hence the rise in advanced stats and analytics. Yards per play, while better than PPG, is also meaningless by itself as it doesn’t account for red zone D, turnovers, 3rd down efficiency, etc.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake.
Turnovers are less sustainable as well but more sustainable than 3rd down or red zone so I agree it deserves to be factored in at some level. -
Well done sirwhatshouldicareabout said:
Jake Browning is the winningest QB in Pac-12 historygreenblood said:
I actually prefer the win/loss statistic myself.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake. -
I’m curious as to what you’ve seen that demonstrates them to be unsustainable. Intuitively it might make some sense because we can often see on a game-to-game basis how wildly those stats can fluctuate. But that doesn’t necessarily imply that it’s random or unsustainable, it just suggests that it’s very difficult to achieve consistency. There is absolutely a “skill” that some defensive coordinators have more than others, where they’ve implemented a defense that responds better in 3rd down and red zone situations. The old “bend but don’t break” adage is very real.HillsboroDuck said:
This isn't true because red zone and 3rd efficiency (good or bad) are largely unsustainable and will typically return to the mean success rates one would expect from yards per play.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Most stats are meaningless in isolation, hence the rise in advanced stats and analytics. Yards per play, while better than PPG, is also meaningless by itself as it doesn’t account for red zone D, turnovers, 3rd down efficiency, etc.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake.
Turnovers are less sustainable as well but more sustainable than 3rd down or red zone so I agree it deserves to be factored in at some level. -
I've read the studies, can't remember exactly where but essentially over time defenses tend to perform how you would expect they would in 3rd down and red zone situations based on how they perform on first and second downs.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I’m curious as to what you’ve seen that demonstrates them to be unsustainable. Intuitively it might make some sense because we can often see on a game-to-game basis how wildly those stats can fluctuate. But that doesn’t necessarily imply that it’s random or unsustainable, it just suggests that it’s very difficult to achieve consistency. There is absolutely a “skill” that some defensive coordinators have more than others, where they’ve implemented a defense that responds better in 3rd down and red zone situations. The old “bend but don’t break” adage is very real.HillsboroDuck said:
This isn't true because red zone and 3rd efficiency (good or bad) are largely unsustainable and will typically return to the mean success rates one would expect from yards per play.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Most stats are meaningless in isolation, hence the rise in advanced stats and analytics. Yards per play, while better than PPG, is also meaningless by itself as it doesn’t account for red zone D, turnovers, 3rd down efficiency, etc.FremontTroll said:
So you agree it is meaningless as a standalone statistic?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I don't think it's a bad stat, but it certainly requires more context, like the pace of play of the offense and yards allowed, in order to be truly meaningful.FremontTroll said:
PPG is the worst stat.greenblood said:
With more talent Oregon gave up 30 points per game vs conference opponents. So, Avalos giving up 34.9 at Boise State against P5 opponents is at worst a lateral move. I still have hopesHillsboroDuck said:GrundleStiltzkin said:FremontTroll said:
Answer: He is not. Ducks hire Boise DC.FremontTroll said:How is Heyward qualified to be a DC?
Just use yards per play for christ's sake.
Turnovers are less sustainable as well but more sustainable than 3rd down or red zone so I agree it deserves to be factored in at some level.
People like to point to UW's recent defenses as "bend but don't break" but they have comparatively been very good on first and second downs as well. -
I know this was something that came up numerous times when discussing the Seahawks defense this year as it gave up massive yardage but not many points. It was pointed out a number of times that it's almost impossible to be so bad on 1st and 2nd downs and so good on 3rd downs/red zone and that they would likely
give up more points going forward. Which they did to the tune of over 5 points per game more in the second half than the first half despite having two more home games/two less road games in the second half.
Perhaps this is different at the college level but I doubt it.
