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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited April 2019
    DoogCourics said:

    NEsnake12 said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:



    This is why I found all the hand ringing and meltdowns the last few weeks fucking laughable. This was never a competition. Haener was never going to start.

    Eason has elite physical tools but hadn’t seen live action in nearly 2 years. Haener was a dutiful backup last year and Pete was going to give him the first team reps he “earned”. Eason was always going to be eased back into the reps because he hadn’t “earned” anything yet and it wasn’t going to be given to him.

    But to meltdown in fucking April because Haener was getting the majority of the first team reps was fucktarded. Haener could have had the first reps all spring and Eason would have still taken the job from him by the end of fall camp. After 30 practices Eason always would have emerged victorious. Haener has the mindset but he was not blessed by God to have the physical tools.

    Pete may be loyal, and he may have started Browning for 4 years, and he may have given last years 2nd string QB the first chance at reps because he earned it. But there was and is zero fucking chance he was going to accept Eason as a transfer (when he rarely takes transfers) and not give the kid with the highest ceiling the job.

    Pete may be stubborn and may learn slowly, but he always learns and adjusts. And 4 years of a physically limited QB stunting the offense was a long enough lesson.
    Everybody loves to use hindsight to make it seem like they know-it-all. Shut the fuck up. If Haener had thrown zero interceptions all Spring and was balling out and performing way better than Eason, you and everybody else would be worried.
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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    Doogles said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    dannarc said:

    Who was the asshat that was on here awhile back saying we were screwed at S?


    All I know is it better not snow on the Coug next November....

    I said we were fucked at safety unless a true Freshman or RS Freshman stepped up big-time for us. Well, one of them has. Good for us.
    StrongArmCobra said:



    Coaching doesn't matter if the talent, depth, and/or experience you have at that position sucks. Budda and Sidney got torched as true Freshman. Did Lake not know what he was doing then and yet we still sucked. It's a similar situation at safety right now. I have a strong feeling Gilchrist sucks ass. We are fucked at free safety if it's either Gilchrist or a Freshman starting for us. Obviously Lake fucked up somewhere recruiting that position because we don't have a RS Junior, sure fire, future NFL stud to replace Rapp that nobody is worried about.

    Bottom of this page, buried poast (obviously).

    YAWFMS
    Things change all the time. The likelihood of Cam Williams basically coming in and playing like Taylor Rapp did as a true Freshman was extremely low. But that's what he's done so far so we're extremely lucky and dodged a bullet. Good for us. The point stands. We were fucked until we got lucky.
    Alright, I'm going to actually defend Ballz on this one.

    Process vs. Results

    It's shitty process to rely on a Freshman to come in and play like a game changer even if we ended up with good results this time(which is still TBD btw).

    We should have at least 2 guys of Cam Williams level talent battling it out for the open starting spot and they both should have already been in the program a year, redshirt or otherwise.

    Though I also realize there are some mitigating factors that you can defend the process from but there is a reasonable poont of criticism buried in there.
    Austin Joyner was an NFL talent DB they had for this year until freak head injuries showed.
    What's your point? They tried him at safety before he retired. It didn't work out and they moved him back to corner. Get your facts straight.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club
    StrongArmCobra said:

    Doogles said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    dannarc said:

    Who was the asshat that was on here awhile back saying we were screwed at S?


    All I know is it better not snow on the Coug next November....

    I said we were fucked at safety unless a true Freshman or RS Freshman stepped up big-time for us. Well, one of them has. Good for us.
    StrongArmCobra said:



    Coaching doesn't matter if the talent, depth, and/or experience you have at that position sucks. Budda and Sidney got torched as true Freshman. Did Lake not know what he was doing then and yet we still sucked. It's a similar situation at safety right now. I have a strong feeling Gilchrist sucks ass. We are fucked at free safety if it's either Gilchrist or a Freshman starting for us. Obviously Lake fucked up somewhere recruiting that position because we don't have a RS Junior, sure fire, future NFL stud to replace Rapp that nobody is worried about.

    Bottom of this page, buried poast (obviously).

    YAWFMS
    Things change all the time. The likelihood of Cam Williams basically coming in and playing like Taylor Rapp did as a true Freshman was extremely low. But that's what he's done so far so we're extremely lucky and dodged a bullet. Good for us. The point stands. We were fucked until we got lucky.
    Alright, I'm going to actually defend Ballz on this one.

    Process vs. Results

    It's shitty process to rely on a Freshman to come in and play like a game changer even if we ended up with good results this time(which is still TBD btw).

    We should have at least 2 guys of Cam Williams level talent battling it out for the open starting spot and they both should have already been in the program a year, redshirt or otherwise.

    Though I also realize there are some mitigating factors that you can defend the process from but there is a reasonable poont of criticism buried in there.
    Austin Joyner was an NFL talent DB they had for this year until freak head injuries showed.
    What's your point? They tried him at safety before he retired. It didn't work out and they moved him back to corner. Get your facts straight.
    Still another body, and he sure as hell hit like a safety. You can throw Bryant back into safety and slide one of the many DBS to Nickle. The depth was there.

    Also Jimmy lake seems to have a knack for recruiting Frosh Safety game ready (Budda,Rapp). With guys like Asa and Cam coming in every year I sort of expect at least one to be ready.
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    StrongArmCobra said:

    Doogles said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    dannarc said:

    Who was the asshat that was on here awhile back saying we were screwed at S?


    All I know is it better not snow on the Coug next November....

    I said we were fucked at safety unless a true Freshman or RS Freshman stepped up big-time for us. Well, one of them has. Good for us.
    StrongArmCobra said:



    Coaching doesn't matter if the talent, depth, and/or experience you have at that position sucks. Budda and Sidney got torched as true Freshman. Did Lake not know what he was doing then and yet we still sucked. It's a similar situation at safety right now. I have a strong feeling Gilchrist sucks ass. We are fucked at free safety if it's either Gilchrist or a Freshman starting for us. Obviously Lake fucked up somewhere recruiting that position because we don't have a RS Junior, sure fire, future NFL stud to replace Rapp that nobody is worried about.

    Bottom of this page, buried poast (obviously).

    YAWFMS
    Things change all the time. The likelihood of Cam Williams basically coming in and playing like Taylor Rapp did as a true Freshman was extremely low. But that's what he's done so far so we're extremely lucky and dodged a bullet. Good for us. The point stands. We were fucked until we got lucky.
    Alright, I'm going to actually defend Ballz on this one.

    Process vs. Results

    It's shitty process to rely on a Freshman to come in and play like a game changer even if we ended up with good results this time(which is still TBD btw).

    We should have at least 2 guys of Cam Williams level talent battling it out for the open starting spot and they both should have already been in the program a year, redshirt or otherwise.

    Though I also realize there are some mitigating factors that you can defend the process from but there is a reasonable poont of criticism buried in there.
    Austin Joyner was an NFL talent DB they had for this year until freak head injuries showed.
    What's your point? They tried him at safety before he retired. It didn't work out and they moved him back to corner. Get your facts straight.
    LOL
    BallzDeep said:

    Would love to get Irvin but we don't fucking need this kid. We have a shit load of corners that could move to safety to fill out the depth there or get more playing time like Austin Joyner, Elijah Molden, and Kyler Gordon. Jimmy will figure out who best fits where to put the best guys on the field.

    OK
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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited April 2019
    FremontTroll said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    FremontTroll said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    dannarc said:

    Who was the asshat that was on here awhile back saying we were screwed at S?


    All I know is it better not snow on the Coug next November....

    I said we were fucked at safety unless a true Freshman or RS Freshman stepped up big-time for us. Well, one of them has. Good for us.
    StrongArmCobra said:



    Coaching doesn't matter if the talent, depth, and/or experience you have at that position sucks. Budda and Sidney got torched as true Freshman. Did Lake not know what he was doing then and yet we still sucked. It's a similar situation at safety right now. I have a strong feeling Gilchrist sucks ass. We are fucked at free safety if it's either Gilchrist or a Freshman starting for us. Obviously Lake fucked up somewhere recruiting that position because we don't have a RS Junior, sure fire, future NFL stud to replace Rapp that nobody is worried about.

    Bottom of this page, buried poast (obviously).

    YAWFMS
    Things change all the time. The likelihood of Cam Williams basically coming in and playing like Taylor Rapp did as a true Freshman was extremely low. But that's what he's done so far so we're extremely lucky and dodged a bullet. Good for us. The point stands. We were fucked until we got lucky.
    Alright, I'm going to actually defend Ballz on this one.

    Process vs. Results

    It's shitty process to rely on a Freshman to come in and play like a game changer even if we ended up with good results this time(which is still TBD btw).

    We should have at least 2 guys of Cam Williams level talent battling it out for the open starting spot and they both should have already been in the program a year, redshirt or otherwise.

    Though I also realize there are some mitigating factors that you can defend the process from but there is a reasonable poont of criticism buried in there.
    Except Ballz was complaining about results of a cake halfway through baking.

    He had no complaints about the process of making that cake (recruiting of safeties.)

    In fact in the Julius Irvin thread he said we were fine and didn't need Irvin because Molden or Kyler could move to safety.
    I'm definitely not going to be responsible for all the haught takes he's made about the position and I've definitely been in the "the secondary will be fine" camp but there's a minor point of shall we call it, "room for improvement" with safety depth and I think most of us recognized it even if we didn't go full retard over it.
    There was a lot of consternation in recruiting forum during 2017 season and 2018 recruiting period over safety depth after Love went off deep end.

    Ballz was hand waving the issue away.

    By the time we get to 2019 Spring Camp the "Process" of building depth is over. There is nothing to be done for 2019.

    Yet there goes Ballz on Day 1 of Spring Camp complaining about the half-baked result of our initial alignment. As if it wouldn't change as the best players emerged.
    Yes, I was not as concerned the recruiting years leading up to now at safety because we recruited a bunch of DB's who played safety in high school and could play safety for us. Then Jimmy Lake decided not to move those certain guys over to safety and kept them at corner. I don't have a fucking crystal ball asshole. I don't know what decisions Jimmy Lake is going to make with his personnel and what positions they're going to play for him.

    And yeah I was complaining Day 1 of Spring camp because the "best players" that we needed to emerge would have to be Freshman because we have nobody else. The likelihood of Freshman being able to immediately play at a high level is low. Therefore, my concern at the time was logical. But we got lucky with Cam Williams so that's nice.
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    StrongArmCobra said:

    FremontTroll said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    FremontTroll said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    dannarc said:

    Who was the asshat that was on here awhile back saying we were screwed at S?


    All I know is it better not snow on the Coug next November....

    I said we were fucked at safety unless a true Freshman or RS Freshman stepped up big-time for us. Well, one of them has. Good for us.
    StrongArmCobra said:



    Coaching doesn't matter if the talent, depth, and/or experience you have at that position sucks. Budda and Sidney got torched as true Freshman. Did Lake not know what he was doing then and yet we still sucked. It's a similar situation at safety right now. I have a strong feeling Gilchrist sucks ass. We are fucked at free safety if it's either Gilchrist or a Freshman starting for us. Obviously Lake fucked up somewhere recruiting that position because we don't have a RS Junior, sure fire, future NFL stud to replace Rapp that nobody is worried about.

    Bottom of this page, buried poast (obviously).

    YAWFMS
    Things change all the time. The likelihood of Cam Williams basically coming in and playing like Taylor Rapp did as a true Freshman was extremely low. But that's what he's done so far so we're extremely lucky and dodged a bullet. Good for us. The point stands. We were fucked until we got lucky.
    Alright, I'm going to actually defend Ballz on this one.

    Process vs. Results

    It's shitty process to rely on a Freshman to come in and play like a game changer even if we ended up with good results this time(which is still TBD btw).

    We should have at least 2 guys of Cam Williams level talent battling it out for the open starting spot and they both should have already been in the program a year, redshirt or otherwise.

    Though I also realize there are some mitigating factors that you can defend the process from but there is a reasonable poont of criticism buried in there.
    Except Ballz was complaining about results of a cake halfway through baking.

    He had no complaints about the process of making that cake (recruiting of safeties.)

    In fact in the Julius Irvin thread he said we were fine and didn't need Irvin because Molden or Kyler could move to safety.
    I'm definitely not going to be responsible for all the haught takes he's made about the position and I've definitely been in the "the secondary will be fine" camp but there's a minor point of shall we call it, "room for improvement" with safety depth and I think most of us recognized it even if we didn't go full retard over it.
    There was a lot of consternation in recruiting forum during 2017 season and 2018 recruiting period over safety depth after Love went off deep end.

    Ballz was hand waving the issue away.

    By the time we get to 2019 Spring Camp the "Process" of building depth is over. There is nothing to be done for 2019.

    Yet there goes Ballz on Day 1 of Spring Camp complaining about the half-baked result of our initial alignment. As if it wouldn't change as the best players emerged.
    Yes, I was not as concerned the recruiting years leading up to now at safety because we recruited a bunch of DB's who played safety in high school and could play safety for us. Then Jimmy Lake decided not to move those certain guys over to safety and kept them at corner. I don't have a fucking crystal ball asshole. I don't know what decisions Jimmy Lake is going to make with his personnel and what positions they're going to play for him.

    And yeah I was complaining Day 1 of Spring camp because the "best players" that we needed to emerge would have to be Freshman because we have nobody else. The likelihood of Freshman being able to immediately play at a high level is low. Therefore, my concern at the time was logical. But we got lucky with Cam Williams so that's nice.
    LOL
    BallzDeep said:


    Would love to get Irvin but we don't fucking need this kid. We have a shit load of corners that could move to safety to fill out the depth there or get more playing time like Austin Joyner, Elijah Molden, and Kyler Gordon. Jimmy will figure out who best fits where to put the best guys on the field.

    OK
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Ballzruiningthread.gif

    To be fair, I think I ruined this one.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
    FremontTroll said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    We've only gotten lucky with Cam Williams so far in Spring Practice against our own offense. He's yet to play a down of college ball and even if he's good could still get injured. Sure, Irvin could come in and also be good. Still plenty of unknowns. I think it will all be fine (until maybe we play someone in the playoffs) but it could be better.

    Yep, all accurate takes.

    But isn't it more fun to swing from one extreme back to the other?
    Yes
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObAO-Bopmg
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2019
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJegtLTT4NU
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vECePVSirQs
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited April 2019
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    We've only gotten lucky with Cam Williams so far in Spring Practice against our own offense. He's yet to play a down of college ball and even if he's good could still get injured. Sure, Irvin could come in and also be good. Still plenty of unknowns. I think it will all be fine (until maybe we play someone in the playoffs) but it could be better.

    The offense certainly didn’t help Lake find the backups meaningful reps last year. When every game is close and you rely on your defense to win, the backups sit. Period.

    Starting McKinney for the first time against Ohio State in the Rosebowl was asking to lose. (Fuck you, Rapp.)

    Lake is batting at, or near, 1.000, both in recruiting and development.

    McKinney and Gilcrest may suck. Saying they do because they couldn’t beat out Rapp or McIntosh is retarded
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  • Beno4Life
    Beno4Life Member Posts: 533
    I’m still so fucking blown away by all you Cam-sucking Doogs that you’ve completely overlooked the best safety on the West Coast two years ago.

    Come fall, Julius Irvin will be starting at safety and will assuage Ballzzz concerns and our respective Brandon McKinney-induced PTSD from the Rose Bowl. Irvin will be the next great Husky safety.

    I can’t believe any of you would doubt Jimmy’s recruiting or development.
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  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,331 Founders Club
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Ballzruiningthread.gif

    which one?
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  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744
    Baseman said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    We've only gotten lucky with Cam Williams so far in Spring Practice against our own offense. He's yet to play a down of college ball and even if he's good could still get injured. Sure, Irvin could come in and also be good. Still plenty of unknowns. I think it will all be fine (until maybe we play someone in the playoffs) but it could be better.

    The offense certainly didn’t help Lake find the backups meaningful reps last year. When every game is close and you rely on your defense to win, the backups sit. Period.

    Starting McKinney for the first time against Ohio State in the Rosebowl was asking to lose. (Fuck you, Rapp.)

    Lake is batting at, or near, 1.000, both in recruiting and development.

    McKinney and Gilcrest may suck. Saying they do because they couldn’t beat out Rapp or McIntosh is retarded
    McKinney played a lot last year.
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    Other notes
    - The UW defense came away with five total takeaways on the morning, beginning with one fumble in the 9-on-7 portion of practice, recovered by Kyler Manu. Three came on Jake Haener interceptions. Elijah Molden and Myles Bryant picked off the junior quarterback in 7-on-7 drills, and Kyler Gordon dove to haul in a deflected throw in 11-on-11s. The most controversial play of the day came during the final session of 11-on-11 drills, when redshirt freshman Jacob Sirmon found Chico McClatcher on a curl route just outside of the end zone. McClatcher turned to dive across the goalline, and had the ball stripped away as he went to ground. The offense wanted a touchdown, the defense had the ball, and the referee ruled McClatcher down, but the airhorn sounded, giving the play to the defense.

    - Jacob Eason had maybe the prettiest throw of the spring thus far, hitting Andre Baccellia on a 60-yard bomb down the right sideline for a touchdown.
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  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    I think someone else mentioned this before.

    Haener gets reps as a back-up plan, Eason is first teamer as if there was any doubt.

    If Eason loses all confidence they can stick haener in there and hope for the best by shortening the playbook significantly while determining if sirmon or yankoff has enough reliability to try a series or two.

    Come next year the young guns compete more and haener can transfer portal to San Jose st with some experience and still talk glowingly about Pete and the UW program for giving him a chance.

    Haener's mom is still hot.

    Huard will be giving all the HH tbs'ers priapism non stop.

    Things are looking good.
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  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    DoogCourics said:

    StrongArmCobra said:

    DoogCourics said:

    NEsnake12 said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:



    This is why I found all the hand ringing and meltdowns the last few weeks fucking laughable. This was never a competition. Haener was never going to start.

    Eason has elite physical tools but hadn’t seen live action in nearly 2 years. Haener was a dutiful backup last year and Pete was going to give him the first team reps he “earned”. Eason was always going to be eased back into the reps because he hadn’t “earned” anything yet and it wasn’t going to be given to him.

    But to meltdown in fucking April because Haener was getting the majority of the first team reps was fucktarded. Haener could have had the first reps all spring and Eason would have still taken the job from him by the end of fall camp. After 30 practices Eason always would have emerged victorious. Haener has the mindset but he was not blessed by God to have the physical tools.

    Pete may be loyal, and he may have started Browning for 4 years, and he may have given last years 2nd string QB the first chance at reps because he earned it. But there was and is zero fucking chance he was going to accept Eason as a transfer (when he rarely takes transfers) and not give the kid with the highest ceiling the job.

    Pete may be stubborn and may learn slowly, but he always learns and adjusts. And 4 years of a physically limited QB stunting the offense was a long enough lesson.
    Everybody loves to use hindsight to make it seem like they know-it-all. Shut the fuck up. If Haener had thrown zero interceptions all Spring and was balling out and performing way better than Eason, you and everybody else would be worried.



    Cool theory, except I've been eluding to the fact that this entire "competition" is a facade since the beginning of spring. I don't need hindsight as I was saying it before Haener started looking bad.


    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/1042336#Comment_1042336

    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/1043381#Comment_1043381

    https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/comment/1044180#Comment_1044180
    And back then you had no idea what was going to happen. Just a blind guess. If Haener was lighting it up and a legit threat to earn the starting job you'd be wrong. Hindsight is 20/20 when your blind guess is correct and is ignored and forgotten when you're wrong.
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