We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
That'st true on the farm but I referenced the Industrial Revolution and the move to the cites after the Civil War. If you were working 12 hour days 6 or 7 days a week to live you weren't basking in liberty. Its what brought about unions and federal intervention
The ownership of an industry was seen as an absolute right to run it however you wanted. I think that may have been needed to build those industries but as time went by the conditions bred the grounds for the unions and the socialists. Not a big union guy but back then probably would have been
I'm not as conservative as you or as libertarian as Damone. But I got no where else to go. Its why I didn't have a problem with Trump when you did. I didn't mind an old school democrat.
I think we went to far in the 30's and it haunts us to this day but I think we had to start down that road
This is actually more my wheel house as described here. However I find myself fighting for Damone's libertarian ideal as a necessary counter to APAG's socialist utopia and HondoFS's deep throat establishment dream. In either case, there are groups usurping too much power over the individual - stifling real innovation, freedom and liberty.
I think an old school democrat is today's center pragmatist.
Old School Democrat is really a Trump Republican if you think about it. Trump has far more in common with JFK politically than does anyone currently leading the Rat party.
You struggle with context too. Walls work!!!! Revenues went up!!!!!
Walls do work. The goal of a wall isn't to keep everyone out forever. The goal of a wall is to slow people who are trying to illegally enter this country so they can be apprehended.
The Walls in San Diego and El Paso definitely work and there isn't a person working for the Border Patrol who will say otherwise.
Now tell us again how the annual 7% growth in GDP that India has had over the last 15 years is really bad for them and that they'd be better off with Socialism Hondo.
Where did I say they'd be better off with socialism fuckstick. I said they are close to the Damone libertarian Paradise and it's a shit hole. Just like we'd be if we went full libertarian.
Shut the fuck up and let the adults talk. Butt in when you can comprehend a point for once.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
Go to India. It's wonderful. No regulations that are enforced sure is freedom.
Hey dumbfuck, do you ever actually have an argument?
Ergo decedo Ergo decedo, Latin for "therefore leave" or "then go off", a truncation of argumentum ergo decedo, and colloquially denominated the traitorous critic fallacy,[1] denotes responding to the criticism of a critic by implying that the critic is motivated by undisclosed favorability or affiliation to an out-group, rather than responding to the criticism itself. The fallacy impliedly alleges that the critic does not appreciate the values and customs of the criticized group or is traitorous, and thus suggests that the critic should avoid the question or topic entirely, typically by leaving the criticized group.[2]
Argumentum ergo decedo is generally categorized as a species of informal fallacy and more specifically as a species of the subclass of ad hominem informal fallacies.
Contents In politics Edit
Argumentum ergo decedo is directly related to the tu quoque fallacy when responding to political criticism. As whataboutism is used against external criticism, ergo decedo is used against internal criticism.
Examples Edit
Critic: "I think we need to work on improving Nauru's taxation system. The current system suffers from multiple issues that have been resolved in other places such as Tuvalu and the Marshall Islands."
Respondent "Well, if you don't like it, why don't you just leave and go somewhere you think is better?" Critic: "Our office's atmosphere is unsuitable for starting constructive conversations about reforms for the future of the company. A number of improvements are needed."
Respondent "Well, if you don't like the corporate system, then why are you here? You should just leave!"
Are you knew hear?
So you don’t ever have an argument. Got it!
Hey fuckstick. I didn't say move to India. I said go to India. Spend a week there. That's all you'll need. Or visit any other country that has shit for regulations and low taxes. And libertarian principles that you want.
Look, I don't like government more than anyone else. But we do need some regulations. We do need a lot of the services the government provides.
There is a laundry list of reasons America is the most productive country. The main one being we had the resources to be self sufficient early in the industrial age to give us a leg up. One other item is the growth in infrastructure that provide clean water and electricity. And the Government taking over the post office and building interstates for easy transportation of goods and communication.
Libertarians like you would have waited for the private sector to build roads and schools and shit. Go to a country built like that for a week and tell me how you like it.
Fuck off. India is not libertarian. You still don’t have an arguement and jump from own logical fallacy to another. Your “arguments” are cliche and lazy.
When did I ever say we didn’t need some regulations?
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
Go to India. It's wonderful. No regulations that are enforced sure is freedom.
Hey dumbfuck, do you ever actually have an argument?
Ergo decedo Ergo decedo, Latin for "therefore leave" or "then go off", a truncation of argumentum ergo decedo, and colloquially denominated the traitorous critic fallacy,[1] denotes responding to the criticism of a critic by implying that the critic is motivated by undisclosed favorability or affiliation to an out-group, rather than responding to the criticism itself. The fallacy impliedly alleges that the critic does not appreciate the values and customs of the criticized group or is traitorous, and thus suggests that the critic should avoid the question or topic entirely, typically by leaving the criticized group.[2]
Argumentum ergo decedo is generally categorized as a species of informal fallacy and more specifically as a species of the subclass of ad hominem informal fallacies.
Contents In politics Edit
Argumentum ergo decedo is directly related to the tu quoque fallacy when responding to political criticism. As whataboutism is used against external criticism, ergo decedo is used against internal criticism.
Examples Edit
Critic: "I think we need to work on improving Nauru's taxation system. The current system suffers from multiple issues that have been resolved in other places such as Tuvalu and the Marshall Islands."
Respondent "Well, if you don't like it, why don't you just leave and go somewhere you think is better?" Critic: "Our office's atmosphere is unsuitable for starting constructive conversations about reforms for the future of the company. A number of improvements are needed."
Respondent "Well, if you don't like the corporate system, then why are you here? You should just leave!"
Are you knew hear?
So you don’t ever have an argument. Got it!
Hey fuckstick. I didn't say move to India. I said go to India. Spend a week there. That's all you'll need. Or visit any other country that has shit for regulations and low taxes. And libertarian principles that you want.
Look, I don't like government more than anyone else. But we do need some regulations. We do need a lot of the services the government provides.
There is a laundry list of reasons America is the most productive country. The main one being we had the resources to be self sufficient early in the industrial age to give us a leg up. One other item is the growth in infrastructure that provide clean water and electricity. And the Government taking over the post office and building interstates for easy transportation of goods and communication.
Libertarians like you would have waited for the private sector to build roads and schools and shit. Go to a country built like that for a week and tell me how you like it.
Fuck off. India is not libertarian. You still don’t have an arguement and jump from own logical fallacy to another. Your “arguments” are cliche and lazy.
When did I ever say we didn’t need some regulations?
Idiot.
Seriously, he is a fucking idiot who has nothing. He engages in these kinds of "arguments" because he isn't capable of having an honest exchange where he doesn't end up looking like a dumbfuck.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
That'st true on the farm but I referenced the Industrial Revolution and the move to the cites after the Civil War. If you were working 12 hour days 6 or 7 days a week to live you weren't basking in liberty. Its what brought about unions and federal intervention
The ownership of an industry was seen as an absolute right to run it however you wanted. I think that may have been needed to build those industries but as time went by the conditions bred the grounds for the unions and the socialists. Not a big union guy but back then probably would have been
I'm not as conservative as you or as libertarian as Damone. But I got no where else to go. Its why I didn't have a problem with Trump when you did. I didn't mind an old school democrat.
I think we went to far in the 30's and it haunts us to this day but I think we had to start down that road
The 30's socialism was a'ight - it at least abided by the concept of a hand up, not a hand out. Things like the WPA and the CCC required labor to get paid - and in the process some pretty cool shit like Grand Coulee (ISFNRC) Dam and parks and highways and other good stuff was constructed.
It was the 60's bullshit of Johnson's Great Society that has fucked this country beyond belief. The housing projects are still a blight on minority communities. Let alone the now- multiple generations of poor addicted to the welfare teat.
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When did I ever say we didn’t need some regulations?
Idiot.
It was the 60's bullshit of Johnson's Great Society that has fucked this country beyond belief. The housing projects are still a blight on minority communities. Let alone the now- multiple generations of poor addicted to the welfare teat.