You struggle with context too. Walls work!!!! Revenues went up!!!!!
Walls do work. The goal of a wall isn't to keep everyone out forever. The goal of a wall is to slow people who are trying to illegally enter this country so they can be apprehended.
The Walls in San Diego and El Paso definitely work and there isn't a person working for the Border Patrol who will say otherwise.
Now tell us again how the annual 7% growth in GDP that India has had over the last 15 years is really bad for them and that they'd be better off with Socialism Hondo.
Where did I say they'd be better off with socialism fuckstick. I said they are close to the Damone libertarian Paradise and it's a shit hole. Just like we'd be if we went full libertarian.
Shut the fuck up and let the adults talk. Butt in when you can comprehend a point for once.
You struggle with context too. Walls work!!!! Revenues went up!!!!!
Walls do work. The goal of a wall isn't to keep everyone out forever. The goal of a wall is to slow people who are trying to illegally enter this country so they can be apprehended.
The Walls in San Diego and El Paso definitely work and there isn't a person working for the Border Patrol who will say otherwise.
Now tell us again how the annual 7% growth in GDP that India has had over the last 15 years is really bad for them and that they'd be better off with Socialism Hondo.
Where did I say they'd be better off with socialism fuckstick. I said they are close to the Damone libertarian Paradise and it's a shit hole. Just like we'd be if we went full libertarian.
Shut the fuck up and let the adults talk. Butt in when you can comprehend a point for once.
But they aren't a libertarian country. So you're either lying again or you have your head up your ass like you do with your claim about the Green New Deal document being photoshopped.
Hondo the stupid Kunt believes that if you start putting an additional $100k a year on your credit cards and then you reduce it to $70k a year you’ve “cut” your spending.
And here I didn’t think you could get that dick any further down your throat
Republicans did great job in cutting spending for the 18 budget.
Hey Kunt, did you hear me talking about how Republicans “kinda” cut spending?
I don’t enjoy lying and swallowing like a bitch Hondo, you do.
But you have the same hate for Republicans for adding to the debt as you do Obama.
Yes.
Now fuck off.
*apologies to @MikeDamone. I hadn't clicked through to the next page yet
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
That'st true on the farm but I referenced the Industrial Revolution and the move to the cites after the Civil War. If you were working 12 hour days 6 or 7 days a week to live you weren't basking in liberty. Its what brought about unions and federal intervention
The ownership of an industry was seen as an absolute right to run it however you wanted. I think that may have been needed to build those industries but as time went by the conditions bred the grounds for the unions and the socialists. Not a big union guy but back then probably would have been
I'm not as conservative as you or as libertarian as Damone. But I got no where else to go. Its why I didn't have a problem with Trump when you did. I didn't mind an old school democrat.
I think we went to far in the 30's and it haunts us to this day but I think we had to start down that road
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
Yeah, it was great. Especially for women, black people and everyone that died in the Civil War. A true symbol of what libertarianism can accomplish.
There is room for collective bargaining even in a capitalistic system but as you can see now, the only growth in unionization these days is coming from Government employees and most employers don't need a union in order to be compelled to treat their workers better. There is a place for the Federal Government in the system I envision. People worked 12 hours a day, six days a week because that was the norm. That's no longer the case. You can credit the Federal government for that if you like but I'd like to believe we'd have moved in that direction anyway. Ford didn't need the Federal government to tell him to increase the pay of his workers. He realized it was good business and did it on his own.
I don't know if the Feds get the credit for the work week or the workers. Probably the workers
No doubt it was in response to pressure by his employees, who were not unionized at the time, but "Whitey" also introduced a 5 day a week, 40 hour work week back in the 1920s.
Hondo, we've been over this, India is a prime example of the failings of democratic socialism. The license Raj was, and still partly is, what holds India's economy back. It isn't a failed libertarian or liberal or capitalist state. It's a failed socialist state that improved once it embraced liberalism. Kind of like every other socialist economy.
I don't know if the Feds get the credit for the work week or the workers. Probably the workers
No doubt it was in response to pressure by his employees, who were not unionized at the time, but "Whitey" also introduced a 5 day a week, 40 hour work week back in the 1920s.
He was smart enough to want them to be able to buy his cars. That's how a consumer society prospers. Work hard play hard innovate
He held out the longest against the unions. I worked for a family business in Seattle for years. A Union rep told me in 1982 his mission in life was to make our installers union.
He was a failure at life because our subs made more than union guys by a large margin. They traded "security" which is a mirage, for money.
Working is a tough gig if you're only able to sell your low or semi-skilled labor. Millions of illegals and low skilled immigrants in general haven't helped with that situation. But for a year of my working life I've only worked on the West Coast, so my perspective may not be the norm, and since college I've only worked in LA and SF. I've never been treated poorly by an employer and the one time I did feel like I was being underpaid, I found a new job and quit.
Hell, in all honesty, I'm overpaid and over compensated now and I've never been a member of a union.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
That'st true on the farm but I referenced the Industrial Revolution and the move to the cites after the Civil War. If you were working 12 hour days 6 or 7 days a week to live you weren't basking in liberty. Its what brought about unions and federal intervention
The ownership of an industry was seen as an absolute right to run it however you wanted. I think that may have been needed to build those industries but as time went by the conditions bred the grounds for the unions and the socialists. Not a big union guy but back then probably would have been
I'm not as conservative as you or as libertarian as Damone. But I got no where else to go. Its why I didn't have a problem with Trump when you did. I didn't mind an old school democrat.
I think we went to far in the 30's and it haunts us to this day but I think we had to start down that road
This is actually more my wheel house as described here. However I find myself fighting for Damone's libertarian ideal as a necessary counter to APAG's socialist utopia and HondoFS's deep throat establishment agenda. In either case, there are groups usurping too much power over the individual - stifling real innovation, freedom and liberty.
I think an old school democrat is today's center pragmatist.
We’re willing to cut military spending and stop spending on endless wars.
We’ve proposed Medicare For All. Even the Koch brothers study has that saving Americans trillions of dollar.
Those are two of the big three and anyone that goes after Social Security just loses. All the right does is nip at the heels of the the alleged problem by cutting programs that help people.
I understand how simple and appealing libertarianism feels. But for all the hate socialism get for having never worked, no one has ever even bothered to try a libertarian country.
'Murica circa 1776-1913 would like their history back.
And if not for a shift to a hybrid liberty socialist system we? could have fallen into revolution like so much of the world did. The early days of the Industrial Revolution were tough on the working man and there wasn't a lot of liberty.
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
We didn't really start moving toward a Socialist system until the 1930s. Not sure how you can say that libertarian America wasn't about Liberty. We had a government that was set up to govern a mostly agrarian country. There was a hell of lot of liberty and little if any influence of the Federal government. You could have gone your entire life in America and but for the mail system, never had any dealing at all with the Federal Government and you could have done that even as a major business owner.
That'st true on the farm but I referenced the Industrial Revolution and the move to the cites after the Civil War. If you were working 12 hour days 6 or 7 days a week to live you weren't basking in liberty. Its what brought about unions and federal intervention
The ownership of an industry was seen as an absolute right to run it however you wanted. I think that may have been needed to build those industries but as time went by the conditions bred the grounds for the unions and the socialists. Not a big union guy but back then probably would have been
I'm not as conservative as you or as libertarian as Damone. But I got no where else to go. Its why I didn't have a problem with Trump when you did. I didn't mind an old school democrat.
I think we went to far in the 30's and it haunts us to this day but I think we had to start down that road
This is actually more my wheel house as described here. However I find myself fighting for Damone's libertarian ideal as a necessary counter to APAG's socialist utopia and HondoFS's deep throat establishment dream. In either case, there are groups usurping too much power over the individual - stifling real innovation, freedom and liberty.
I think an old school democrat is today's center pragmatist.
Old School Democrat is really a Trump Republican if you think about it. Trump has far more in common with JFK politically than does anyone currently leading the Rat party.
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Shut the fuck up and let the adults talk. Butt in when you can comprehend a point for once.
Now fuck off.
*apologies to @MikeDamone. I hadn't clicked through to the next page yet
Too many lineal thinkers here and now we are going to waste years on more socialist or capitalist crap instead of fine tuning our institutions and making things like healthcare delivery better not worse. Despite what you have heard the profit motive in an educated society does make corporations have to act responsibly and clean up the air and the water and continue to make the carbon molecule the miracle it is. Our GDP and innovation lead the way in cleaner tech and better tech.
We won't colonize space on a train in case anyone was wondering
Let's cut the bullshit and make the greatest country on earth even greater!
Bannon 2024
The ownership of an industry was seen as an absolute right to run it however you wanted. I think that may have been needed to build those industries but as time went by the conditions bred the grounds for the unions and the socialists. Not a big union guy but back then probably would have been
I'm not as conservative as you or as libertarian as Damone. But I got no where else to go. Its why I didn't have a problem with Trump when you did. I didn't mind an old school democrat.
I think we went to far in the 30's and it haunts us to this day but I think we had to start down that road
He held out the longest against the unions. I worked for a family business in Seattle for years. A Union rep told me in 1982 his mission in life was to make our installers union.
He was a failure at life because our subs made more than union guys by a large margin. They traded "security" which is a mirage, for money.
Hell, in all honesty, I'm overpaid and over compensated now and I've never been a member of a union.
This is actually more my wheel house as described here. However I find myself fighting for Damone's libertarian ideal as a necessary counter to APAG's socialist utopia and HondoFS's deep throat establishment agenda. In either case, there are groups usurping too much power over the individual - stifling real innovation, freedom and liberty.
I think an old school democrat is today's center pragmatist.