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You're in good company with the mentally ill faggot
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Hey O'Keefed, why do you think New York and Virginia were trying to pass a law that allowed a type of abortion you claimed never happens?HHusky said: -
How disappointing. I clicked on this thinking someone had given HH a Virginia Special.
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They are rare. But a severely deformed fetus with no hope of long term survival can befall some couples. I know one such couple. That wasn't an unwanted pregnancy; it was a hopeless pregnancy.SFGbob said:
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Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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If the mother said that having this baby would cause her to become depressed would that be enough for the law?HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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It can. Dire suggests a high degree of seriousness. You don't seem to trust a doctor to make a medical determination.Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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Nope.SFGbob said:
If the mother said that having this baby would cause her to become depressed would that be enough for the law?HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs. -
An abortion doctor? Fuck no!HHusky said:
It can. Dire suggests a high degree of seriousness. You don't seem to trust a doctor to make a medical determination.Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that. -
Bob prefers to have the government make the decision rather than the doctor and mother. Such the conundrum that you now trust the government over the expert on what's best for the mother's health.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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What was represented, in an earlier post made by you, was that this law was abortions for all. Which we all know was a lie.Sledog said:
I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that. -
Interesting. Because mental health was definitely part of the bill being voted on in Virginia and it's not like you'd ever lie or talk your ass O'Keefed.HHusky said:
Nope.SFGbob said:
If the mother said that having this baby would cause her to become depressed would that be enough for the law?HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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Yeah, Gosnel was all about the mother's health and he was an "expert."2001400ex said:
Bob prefers to have the government make the decision rather than the doctor and mother. Such the conundrum that you now trust the government over the expert on what's best for the mother's health.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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Your ability to lie with half truths is remarkable, blob.SFGbob said:
Interesting. Because mental health was definitely part of the bill being voted on in Virginia and it's not like you'd ever lie or talk your ass O'Keefed.HHusky said:
Nope.SFGbob said:
If the mother said that having this baby would cause her to become depressed would that be enough for the law?HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
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If the law made that kind of distinction I wouldn't oppose it but that's not the way these abortion laws are being written and that's not some kind of oversight by the pro-abortion crowd.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs. -
blob et al cling to the theory that women seek abortions at eight and a half months for trivial reasons.
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Then why not write these laws to exclude these "trivial" reason O'Keefed?HHusky said:blob et al cling to the theory that women seek abortions at eight and a half months for trivial reasons.
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The law doesn’t permit late term abortion for trivial reasons. Never has. But by all means, do continue your snipe hunt.
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It is abortion on demand since being depressed or stressed out about having the baby could easily earn an abortion. Like I said it's not like abortion doctors have morals. They're all about the money. No dead babies no money.2001400ex said:
What was represented, in an earlier post made by you, was that this law was abortions for all. Which we all know was a lie.Sledog said:
I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that.
Fuck you're dumb! -
You think a doctor would risk their license over $500? And you say I'm dumb? El oh elSledog said:
It is abortion on demand since being depressed or stressed out about having the baby could easily earn an abortion. Like I said it's not like abortion doctors have morals. They're all about the money. No dead babies no money.2001400ex said:
What was represented, in an earlier post made by you, was that this law was abortions for all. Which we all know was a lie.Sledog said:
I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that.
Fuck you're dumb! -
The law allows for an abortion if the mother is depressed. They wouldn't be risking their license.2001400ex said:
You think a doctor would risk their license over $500? And you say I'm dumb? El oh elSledog said:
It is abortion on demand since being depressed or stressed out about having the baby could easily earn an abortion. Like I said it's not like abortion doctors have morals. They're all about the money. No dead babies no money.2001400ex said:
What was represented, in an earlier post made by you, was that this law was abortions for all. Which we all know was a lie.Sledog said:
I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that.
Fuck you're dumb! -
To be clear, I am entirely against this. I've wrestled with this debate for years, and the "drawing the line" thing is impossible, which compromises all the viability arguments. The other arguments that are trash are the "my body, my rules" and privacy lines of reasoning, though I recognize that the SCOTUS position is deeply rooted in notions of privacy.Sledog said:
It is abortion on demand since being depressed or stressed out about having the baby could easily earn an abortion. Like I said it's not like abortion doctors have morals. They're all about the money. No dead babies no money.2001400ex said:
What was represented, in an earlier post made by you, was that this law was abortions for all. Which we all know was a lie.Sledog said:
I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that.
Fuck you're dumb!
That said, I also know that I react much differently to the termination of an early-stage fetus than to a late-stage developed fetus. I know that those are different, and the explanations for why are rather complicated. But it's slippery as hell. All of it.
But I agree with one thing somebody said, and that is that women lining up for late-term abortions is not a thing. I think they're rare and almost always involve some biological threat to the woman's health. I know a few docs with whom I knock back beers, and we've talked about this. They'll tell you that it's also not easy to find an abortion doc. who will do those procedures ... if only from a liability standpoint, they don't want to be involved. Messy stuff.
But I also have to say I can't support an open-ended law like that. There's no reason for it. Btw, these procedures are risky as all get out for the mother too. It's not an uncomplicated thing to terminate a fetus that late. Mental issues can be overcome. Terminating a fetus in the 7th or 8th month because you're depressed should be a "no go" IMO. But I also believe terminating in the first trimester should be a no-questions-asked right. Just my $0.02. -
Bull fucking shitSFGbob said:
The law allows for an abortion if the mother is depressed. They wouldn't be risking their license.2001400ex said:
You think a doctor would risk their license over $500? And you say I'm dumb? El oh elSledog said:
It is abortion on demand since being depressed or stressed out about having the baby could easily earn an abortion. Like I said it's not like abortion doctors have morals. They're all about the money. No dead babies no money.2001400ex said:
What was represented, in an earlier post made by you, was that this law was abortions for all. Which we all know was a lie.Sledog said:
I'm against it. Only pointing out that it is very open to interpretation and it's really not as it was representd in an earlier post.creepycoug said:
What if the law made that point clear? That mental health doesn't count? That it's only in situations where the woman is at serious risk, and that were determined by an unaffiliated, non-abortion doctor?Sledog said:
"Health" can be very widely interpreted. Including mental health.HHusky said:
No. It would be possible to obtain a late term abortion if a physician determines there are dire risks to the mother’s health in not aborting.SFGbob said:Does the baby have to be severely deformed for the abortion to take place as the law was written?
What then?
My point here is, why nitpick the law if you don't believe it's ok. Just say that and stand by it. I don't have any issues with people who are anti-abortion, even those who are anti-abortion in every single circumstance. I understand the argument and the position. It's just that most of them are full of shit and terribly insincere in their beliefs.
They won't change the law. Guarantee that.
Fuck you're dumb!
