A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
Oh the Californians in Colorado fucking hate California.
I’ve learned it is oppressive to open a door for a female today!
Also that I suck because I’m a straight white dude!
We love the crazy lefties!
The "single white male is the most discriminated against person" is a Rush Limbaugh schtick.
Did I say it was a discriminated class you dumb fuck?
I just pointed out the fucking ridiculous retardedness of leftist feminist bullshit these days.
This is exactly why I feel as though my generation is more central than previous.
Every generation is roughly 40% conservative, 40% liberal, and 20% middle.
I’m talking about at this stage. Like you said earlier I’m too young to be peddling conservative shit.
I didn't say peddling. The point of me giving you shit for that. You are young and smart. But your mind is already made up, you hear someone talking something conservative, you nod your head and agree whether it's true or not.
I'm just saying to read around a bunch of different sources and educate yourself. Of course that has really led me to the middle because both sides are fucking awful. If you think there's truth in either Fox news or MSNBC, for example, you are kidding yourself.
Hondo, I don't hate you either, like my lifebro @GrundleStiltzkin but when you say you are in the middle it is about as detached from reality as you can get. Just own it. I have no issues telling everyone I think machine guns should be issued to all law abiding adult males, and I don't give one single fuck who thinks I am a nutjob extremist. You tilt full left on 90% of the DNC line but then try to tell us you have swerved back to the middle? When, last night? Own your shit.
I actually am middle of the road. It's just easy to fuck with conservatives here. People like Bob get their panties in such a wad. And pawz is triggered over anything I say.
When you truly look at my positions they are very middle and I've said many times that the country would go to shit under true free market that the conservatives/libertarians want and would go to shit under the regulations and high taxes that liberals/socialists want.
There are merits to both sides. I will never agree that adding more guns to the mix well lower gun deaths and I'll never agree that we need to ban guns. I'll never agree that we should reduce regulations on business because global warming is a hoax. And I'll never agree that we have to micro manage every action of business.
I'll never agree that everyone should be straight and gay people just need some treatment and religion. But I'm not a fan of having unisex bathrooms and catering to every little thing gay people want. How about live and let live, who gives a fuck if you are gay or not.
I don't like abortion, but like gun control and drugs, if you make abortion illegal, people will still have them. And then we'd be making young girls criminals.
I could go on but you get the point. I still like poking fun at the die hard conservatives that can't see anything but their way. And I do chuckle at how part of Kavanaughs defense, from many of your here, was that it was in the 80s. But when it comes to the dude in Virginia, that now doesn't matter. (He's still an idiot for his Michael Jackson moonwalk defense)
I’ve learned it is oppressive to open a door for a female today!
Also that I suck because I’m a straight white dude!
We love the crazy lefties!
The "single white male is the most discriminated against person" is a Rush Limbaugh schtick.
Did I say it was a discriminated class you dumb fuck?
I just pointed out the fucking ridiculous retardedness of leftist feminist bullshit these days.
This is exactly why I feel as though my generation is more central than previous.
Every generation is roughly 40% conservative, 40% liberal, and 20% middle.
I’m talking about at this stage. Like you said earlier I’m too young to be peddling conservative shit.
I didn't say peddling. The point of me giving you shit for that. You are young and smart. But your mind is already made up, you hear someone talking something conservative, you nod your head and agree whether it's true or not.
I'm just saying to read around a bunch of different sources and educate yourself. Of course that has really led me to the middle because both sides are fucking awful. If you think there's truth in either Fox news or MSNBC, for example, you are kidding yourself.
Strong disagree. I actually disagree with conservative group think on not finding new sources of sustainable energy and just poo-pooing it. It’s fucking stupid. Climate change is a fucking thing but a lot of conservatives don’t think it’s real. I agree with the left on environmental policies.
Yeah that's my point. And honestly I don't fully agree with the left on all the environmental policies. Sometimes they are too hard on imposing regulations. One area is quads, dirt bikes, SXSs, and snowmobiles. Closing those areas that get a ton of use for 2 people a month to ride a horse is fucking irritating. There are other examples too.
The problem is now days. Too many people want what's best for them. On both sides. And no one legislates on what's best for the country, only what's best to line their pockets. Which is the extreme on both sides.
I’ve learned it is oppressive to open a door for a female today!
Also that I suck because I’m a straight white dude!
We love the crazy lefties!
The "single white male is the most discriminated against person" is a Rush Limbaugh schtick.
Did I say it was a discriminated class you dumb fuck?
I just pointed out the fucking ridiculous retardedness of leftist feminist bullshit these days.
This is exactly why I feel as though my generation is more central than previous.
Every generation is roughly 40% conservative, 40% liberal, and 20% middle.
I’m talking about at this stage. Like you said earlier I’m too young to be peddling conservative shit.
I didn't say peddling. The point of me giving you shit for that. You are young and smart. But your mind is already made up, you hear someone talking something conservative, you nod your head and agree whether it's true or not.
I'm just saying to read around a bunch of different sources and educate yourself. Of course that has really led me to the middle because both sides are fucking awful. If you think there's truth in either Fox news or MSNBC, for example, you are kidding yourself.
Hondo, I don't hate you either, like my lifebro @GrundleStiltzkin but when you say you are in the middle it is about as detached from reality as you can get. Just own it. I have no issues telling everyone I think machine guns should be issued to all law abiding adult males, and I don't give one single fuck who thinks I am a nutjob extremist. You tilt full left on 90% of the DNC line but then try to tell us you have swerved back to the middle? When, last night? Own your shit.
I actually am middle of the road. It's just easy to fuck with conservatives here. People like Bob get their panties in such a wad. And pawz is triggered over anything I say.
When you truly look at my positions they are very middle and I've said many times that the country would go to shit under true free market that the conservatives/libertarians want and would go to shit under the regulations and high taxes that liberals/socialists want.
There are merits to both sides. I will never agree that adding more guns to the mix well lower gun deaths and I'll never agree that we need to ban guns. I'll never agree that we should reduce regulations on business because global warming is a hoax. And I'll never agree that we have to micro manage every action of business.
I'll never agree that everyone should be straight and gay people just need some treatment and religion. But I'm not a fan of having unisex bathrooms and catering to every little thing gay people want. How about live and let live, who gives a fuck if you are gay or not.
I don't like abortion, but like gun control and drugs, if you make abortion illegal, people will still have them. And then we'd be making young girls criminals.
I could go on but you get the point. I still like poking fun at the die hard conservatives that can't see anything but their way. And I do chuckle at how part of Kavanaughs defense, from many of your here, was that it was in the 80s. But when it comes to the dude in Virginia, that now doesn't matter. (He's still an idiot for his Michael Jackson moonwalk defense)
Do you even have a shred of self-awareness like at all?
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
Says the socialist/communist.
Hondo wants all your shit. He wants a totalitarian rule. He wants all your guns but wants to keep his. Hondo's of the world are the reason for the second amendment.
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
I know you are
Lol because I bag on idiots like sledog (look up a post). Doesn't make me a liberal. Look at my actual positions.
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
I know you are
Lol because I bag on idiots like sledog (look up a post). Doesn't make me a liberal. Look at my actual positions.
Fuck off. You praise every leftist loon and their every socialist bullshit idea that comes up. Then you spend time defending it. Like this:
I don't see how they can charge the suspect with two murders since unborn kids in New York aren't considered a life. They are now debating killing them after they are born. Of course retroactive abortions are OK if I'm doing the picking.
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
I know you are
Lol because I bag on idiots like sledog (look up a post). Doesn't make me a liberal. Look at my actual positions.
Fuck off. You praise every leftist loon and their every socialist bullshit idea that comes up. Then you spend time defending it. Like this:
I don't see how they can charge the suspect with two murders since unborn kids in New York aren't considered a life. They are now debating killing them after they are born. Of course retroactive abortions are OK if I'm doing the picking.
A lot of kids I talk to fucking hate the idea of big government and independence on the government. A couple of my buddies come from terrible socioeconomic backgrounds and absolute despise social welfare programs. Their mothers worked from 9-11 every day. While kids parents at their school would leach off the system.
Even the lefties here aren’t very far left. I’d consider them reasonable democrats and borderline centrist. A lot of other kids I’ve talked to are truly in the middle. They like ideas from both parties. In general I came to this school thinking it’d be hardcore liberal but it is way more conservative than I originally thought. Even though the school pushes liberal crap down our throats. We are forced to take at least one social justice class and there’s a group of students forming in the class I’m in that challenge the professor’s fucking stupid rhetoric. A lot of kids see the way the left is going. It’s going way too far left for them. It’s honestly ridiculous our generation has had this PC crap shoved down our throats and kid’s have gotten sick of it.
Colorado is so much more midwest than the rastafarian culture portrayed by the media outside the state....it is ridiculous.
A lot more Nebraska, Oklahoma and Dakota societal influence than California, Oregon and Washington.
Was not what I expected.
Everyone who moves from California that goes here fucking hates California.
all the Californians that move to Washington want to make it California North - and they are fucking winning
It's worse in Montana. Like fuckers, we have our culture here. Don't change it, if you don't like it then leave. I enjoyed my time living in Montana full time.
Yet again the lack of self-awareness is hilarious
Why? Because I don't like all liberal philosophies? And you think I'm a liberal?
I know you are
Lol because I bag on idiots like sledog (look up a post). Doesn't make me a liberal. Look at my actual positions.
Fuck off. You praise every leftist loon and their every socialist bullshit idea that comes up. Then you spend time defending it. Like this:
I don't see how they can charge the suspect with two murders since unborn kids in New York aren't considered a life. They are now debating killing them after they are born. Of course retroactive abortions are OK if I'm doing the picking.
Except you are lying. They can charge them with two murders.
So it's legal for mom and an abortion doctor(murderer) to kill a full term child but not someone else? Seems like an unequal application of the law to me. Something about the constitution.......
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When you truly look at my positions they are very middle and I've said many times that the country would go to shit under true free market that the conservatives/libertarians want and would go to shit under the regulations and high taxes that liberals/socialists want.
There are merits to both sides. I will never agree that adding more guns to the mix well lower gun deaths and I'll never agree that we need to ban guns. I'll never agree that we should reduce regulations on business because global warming is a hoax. And I'll never agree that we have to micro manage every action of business.
I'll never agree that everyone should be straight and gay people just need some treatment and religion. But I'm not a fan of having unisex bathrooms and catering to every little thing gay people want. How about live and let live, who gives a fuck if you are gay or not.
I don't like abortion, but like gun control and drugs, if you make abortion illegal, people will still have them. And then we'd be making young girls criminals.
I could go on but you get the point. I still like poking fun at the die hard conservatives that can't see anything but their way. And I do chuckle at how part of Kavanaughs defense, from many of your here, was that it was in the 80s. But when it comes to the dude in Virginia, that now doesn't matter. (He's still an idiot for his Michael Jackson moonwalk defense)
Yeah that's my point. And honestly I don't fully agree with the left on all the environmental policies. Sometimes they are too hard on imposing regulations. One area is quads, dirt bikes, SXSs, and snowmobiles. Closing those areas that get a ton of use for 2 people a month to ride a horse is fucking irritating. There are other examples too.
The problem is now days. Too many people want what's best for them. On both sides. And no one legislates on what's best for the country, only what's best to line their pockets. Which is the extreme on both sides.
Hondo wants all your shit. He wants a totalitarian rule. He wants all your guns but wants to keep his. Hondo's of the world are the reason for the second amendment.
I don't see how they can charge the suspect with two murders since unborn kids in New York aren't considered a life. They are now debating killing them after they are born. Of course retroactive abortions are OK if I'm doing the picking.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pregnant-real-estate-agent-stabbed-to-death-in-vestibule-of-new-york-apartment-building
Not surprised that hondo tries that one too