Julien Simon, 4* 2021 ATH, Tacoma (Lincoln), WA (Offered 6/22)
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Got it I guess Pete isnt offering for nefarious reasons thendirtysouwfdawg said:
Did you miss the part about not stumbling upon being rated a top 50 level talent?PostGameOrangeSlices said:dirtysouwfdawg said:
You don’t stumble upon a top 50 rating because you have potential. You find where you want him then you recruit the fuck out of him. This is a head scratcher and trying to justify why he’s isn’t yet offered is a doog move. Sorry buddyRealRhino said:Any chance we just don't like him as much as you think we should like him? I thought his film was fine, but the only athletic testing numbers I've seen for him are pretty bad. 4.66 shuttle, 28" vertical bad. Even if he's a legit 220, that's not good. Paints a picture of strictly a straight-ahead mover, a guy who isn't going to be good changing direction in space. So is he a DPR? ILB? Assuming that our current ILB can play, we seem like we have good depth there, so maybe they don't think he's special enough to warrant an offer at this point. Maybe they want to see if he can improve on those numbers first.
Is or isn't Petersen elite at recognizing and developing talent?
He is fucking elite and I can’t help you if you think otherwise nor will I agree with you.
They could be slow playing him, or maybe they are just not interested. Which one is it? -
maybe pete is trying get hold of his birth certificate before he offers
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Are you suggesting that the recruiting sites just couldn't misevaluate a guy they have in the top 50? That's it's not possible for him to not have elite potential? You could probably find a dozen of those guys over a five-year period just from USC and UCLA alone.
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I’m just here to have fun!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Got it I guess Pete isnt offering for nefarious reasons thendirtysouwfdawg said:
Did you miss the part about not stumbling upon being rated a top 50 level talent?PostGameOrangeSlices said:dirtysouwfdawg said:
You don’t stumble upon a top 50 rating because you have potential. You find where you want him then you recruit the fuck out of him. This is a head scratcher and trying to justify why he’s isn’t yet offered is a doog move. Sorry buddyRealRhino said:Any chance we just don't like him as much as you think we should like him? I thought his film was fine, but the only athletic testing numbers I've seen for him are pretty bad. 4.66 shuttle, 28" vertical bad. Even if he's a legit 220, that's not good. Paints a picture of strictly a straight-ahead mover, a guy who isn't going to be good changing direction in space. So is he a DPR? ILB? Assuming that our current ILB can play, we seem like we have good depth there, so maybe they don't think he's special enough to warrant an offer at this point. Maybe they want to see if he can improve on those numbers first.
Is or isn't Petersen elite at recognizing and developing talent?
He is fucking elite and I can’t help you if you think otherwise nor will I agree with you.
They could be slow playing him, or maybe they are just not interested. Which one is it? -
Just watched his film...not overly impressed. He's a very slow twitch guy with little explosion that I could see. It's only 3 1/2 minutes but from what I saw, I can understand why he's not being offered yet.
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I'm no film guru, but there is probably some truth to what RealRhino said. Simon does seem a little stiff. He's 6'2 220 as a sophomore and should continue growing. He manhandles kids at this level, but is more of straight-line guy and he still gets caught from behind. His brother is a 6'3 300 lb DT as an incoming freshmen at Colorado. If I had to guess, we are holding back to see how he fills out and what position he plays at the next level. When you have offered only 22 prospects for 2021 (According to 247 - I assume that is a bit under reported), that isn't that surprising.
If Simon is an ILB, we are also after (credit to Ballz):
-Calvert - Top 100, best looking ILB to me
-Keith Brown - High 4-star
-Trey Reynolds - Not yet rated - Looks like a similar current skill set to Simon, but a better athlete according to his Hudl numbers
-Will Latu - Could play a number of positions. Looks a more fluid than Simon. Obviously not offered, but if he brings grades up sounds like that will happen and he could commit on the spot.
Simon could potentially play a number of other positions, but I don't think he is fluid enough to play WR, S, and probably RB (though we just took Sunday), especially if he grows anymore. That being said, he does have offers from everywhere so most coaches don't appear to be worried about where he fits in at the next level.
The more troubling aspect is that 8 of our reported 22 offers are to highly rated Texas kids. We have no shot with these kids, but have spent a lot of resources making sure they are OKG. To me, the change needs to be made on how Petersen is evaluating talent. If 1/3 of our initial offers are to kids we have a very small chance at, we are doing something wrong. Petersen needs to adapt so we aren't playing catch up with kids in our own backyard. Even if Simon outgrows his current position(s), I'd rather take a shot at him then a Texas kid that can barely locate where WA is on a map.
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Normally when I watch film of guys that we are after I see something that makes me go “wow” ... it’s obvious and jumps off the pagevadawg said:Just watched his film...not overly impressed. He's a very slow twitch guy with little explosion that I could see. It's only 3 1/2 minutes but from what I saw, I can understand why he's not being offered yet.
With Simon, I definitely don’t see that offensively
Defensively, there’s a little more natural fluidity there but he’s super raw ... he doesn’t seem quick twitch enough to stay at DB compared to the typical player that we recruit.
His best spot is LB in college most likely ... but this would be where I’d challenge people to look at the film and when you watch Simon’s film vs a Calvert, Heimuli, or even Tafisi’s ... all of our recent LBs I can watch the film and absolutely see it. I suspect Simon will get there at some point, but he’s not there right now.
He’s still obviously young and I suspect we want to see his progress either this summer and/or his junior year prior to offering. -
And to follow up with my last comment, I think Petersen struggles with all of his offer's being committable (at first). He will honor a commit, even if they get hurt or drop on UW's board. That isn't the norm, but it is clear that something has to give or he will continually run into this problem.
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4th paragraphs the money shot. If they mention Washington university in their I got an offer tweet, they GONE!dawgs206 said:I'm no film guru, but there is probably some truth to what RealRhino said. Simon does seem a little stiff. He's 6'2 220 as a sophomore and should continue growing. He manhandles kids at this level, but is more of straight-line guy and he still gets caught from behind. His brother is a 6'3 300 lb DT as an incoming freshmen at Colorado. If I had to guess, we are holding back to see how he fills out and what position he plays at the next level. When you have offered only 22 prospects for 2021 (According to 247 - I assume that is a bit under reported), that isn't that surprising.
If Simon is an ILB, we are also after (credit to Ballz):
-Calvert - Top 100, best looking ILB to me
-Keith Brown - High 4-star
-Trey Reynolds - Not yet rated - Looks like a similar current skill set to Simon, but a better athlete according to his Hudl numbers
-Will Latu - Could play a number of positions. Looks a more fluid than Simon. Obviously not offered, but if he brings grades up sounds like that will happen and he could commit on the spot.
Simon could potentially play a number of other positions, but I don't think he is fluid enough to play WR, S, and probably RB (though we just took Sunday), especially if he grows anymore. That being said, he does have offers from everywhere so most coaches don't appear to be worried about where he fits in at the next level.
The more troubling aspect is that 8 of our reported 22 offers are to highly rated Texas kids. We have no shot with these kids, but have spent a lot of resources making sure they are OKG. To me, the change needs to be made on how Petersen is evaluating talent. If 1/3 of our initial offers are to kids we have a very small chance at, we are doing something wrong. Petersen needs to adapt so we aren't playing catch up with kids in our own backyard. Even if Simon outgrows his current position(s), I'd rather take a shot at him then a Texas kid that can barely locate where WA is on a map. -
This is what I don't understand about the Texas strategy other than the fact that I think Pete's comfort zone is taking leftovers in Texas.dawgs206 said:I'm no film guru, but there is probably some truth to what RealRhino said. Simon does seem a little stiff. He's 6'2 220 as a sophomore and should continue growing. He manhandles kids at this level, but is more of straight-line guy and he still gets caught from behind. His brother is a 6'3 300 lb DT as an incoming freshmen at Colorado. If I had to guess, we are holding back to see how he fills out and what position he plays at the next level. When you have offered only 22 prospects for 2021 (According to 247 - I assume that is a bit under reported), that isn't that surprising.
If Simon is an ILB, we are also after (credit to Ballz):
-Calvert - Top 100, best looking ILB to me
-Keith Brown - High 4-star
-Trey Reynolds - Not yet rated - Looks like a similar current skill set to Simon, but a better athlete according to his Hudl numbers
-Will Latu - Could play a number of positions. Looks a more fluid than Simon. Obviously not offered, but if he brings grades up sounds like that will happen and he could commit on the spot.
Simon could potentially play a number of other positions, but I don't think he is fluid enough to play WR, S, and probably RB (though we just took Sunday), especially if he grows anymore. That being said, he does have offers from everywhere so most coaches don't appear to be worried about where he fits in at the next level.
The more troubling aspect is that 8 of our reported 22 offers are to highly rated Texas kids. We have no shot with these kids, but have spent a lot of resources making sure they are OKG. To me, the change needs to be made on how Petersen is evaluating talent. If 1/3 of our initial offers are to kids we have a very small chance at, we are doing something wrong. Petersen needs to adapt so we aren't playing catch up with kids in our own backyard. Even if Simon outgrows his current position(s), I'd rather take a shot at him then a Texas kid that can barely locate where WA is on a map.
We have a natural pipeline from California. USC and UCLA are current shit shows, Cal we are already above, Stanford has some overlap but recruits nationally, we should be above Oregon on any California recruits radar but seem content to let them take who they want.
Why aren't we locking up California as the premier West Coast program while we have the chance to? The natural footprint of the PAC12 IS large enough talent wise to take us to another level and should take a lot less resources than Texas to level up in.
