I was wondering why anyone would have the time to do 30K-plus posts, but I guess they add up fast if you just write right "suck my dick, or "YBE" (whatever that means). That's some clever shit there.
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I was wondering why anyone would have the time to do 30K-plus posts, but I guess they add up fast if you just write right "suck my dick, or "YBE" (whatever that means). That's some clever shit there.
I appreciate that Norwegian and FremontTroll actually met me on the merits. Thanks.
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
Disagree. A few years ago I did a deep dive on conference strength during the James glory days. During James' entire 18-year tenure:
-Oregon State never won more than 4 games per season, and never finished higher than 7th in the Pac.
-California had only 7 winning seasons, and only twice finished higher than 4th in the Pac.
-Oregon had only 6 winning seasons, and finished better than 5th in the Pac only 3 times.
-Stanford had just 7 winning seaons, finished better than 4th in conference 5 times. It tied for the conference championship once, but never made a Rose Bowl.
-Washington State had only 7 winning seasons, and only finished higher than 5th in the Pac just 3 times
USC was good in '16. Oregon was 9-4 in '15 and '18.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
PAC-12 championship in '16 (he was injured)? Apple Cup '18?
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
He's made SOME atrocious decisions, some inexcusable. But any QB is uniquely required to make several decisions on every play, and hence more opportunity to make bad ones. It's not the same as a RB like BUSH.
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
Disagree. A few years ago I did a deep dive on conference strength during the James glory days. During James' entire 18-year tenure:
-Oregon State never won more than 4 games per season, and never finished higher than 7th in the Pac.
-California had only 7 winning seasons, and only twice finished higher than 4th in the Pac.
-Oregon had only 6 winning seasons, and finished better than 5th in the Pac only 3 times.
-Stanford had just 7 winning seaons, finished better than 4th in conference 5 times. It tied for the conference championship once, but never made a Rose Bowl.
-Washington State had only 7 winning seasons, and only finished higher than 5th in the Pac just 3 times
USC was good in '16. Oregon was 9-4 in '15 and '18.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
PAC-12 championship in '16 (he was injured)? Apple Cup '18?
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
He's made SOME atrocious decisions, some inexcusable. But any QB is uniquely required to make several decisions on every play, and hence more opportunity to make bad ones. It's not the same as a RB like BUSH.
As has been mentioned, all you need to do is look at Browning's numbers in "big" games he played versus the rest. 16 & 18 P12 championship games he was awful. Bama and Ohio State he was awful.
He also peaked as a sophomore and significantly regressed after. His numbers are meaningless because of sheer volume of starts.
I've been lurking for a while, but this is my first post. I've actually spent a good 30 minutes searching for an answer to this question: where can I find a reasoned, analytical argument for why it is that Jake Browning sucks? It seems to be an article of faith and baseline assumption of many participants here. Despite all of the stats (including yards per completion), all-time UW and conference records, and win %, it seems that Jake draws almost nothing but ire and snide digs. I understand the relatively weak arm strength, but why is that not mitigated by the above? Is it presumed that if the Dawgs had had a more physically impressive QB during the Browning era they'd be running the table and winning nattys? Honest question. Thanks.
2015 Boston College was #1 nationally in total defense. They finished 3-9. Platooned 4 QBs. 2015 Missouri was #6 in total defense. They finished 5-7 (Coach Gary Pinkel's last season). QBs were Drew Lock and Maty Mauk. Lock is in '19 combine. 2015 Penn St. was #14 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorley. Hackenberg was #51 pick in '16 NFL draft. McSorely is in '19 combine. 2015 Central Michigan was #16 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Cooper Rush. Rush signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent. 2015 Utah St. was #17 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QBs were Kent Myers and Chuckie Keeton. 2015 Minnesota was #24 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QB was Mitch Leidner. 2015 Kent St. was #27 in total defense. They finished 3-9. QBs were Colin Reardon and George Bollas. 2015 Vanderbilt was #28 in total defense. They finished 4-8. QBs were Johnny McCrary and Kyle Shurmur. Shurmur is in '19 combine. 2015 NC St. was #29 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Jacoby Brissett. Brissett was picked #91 in '16 draft. 2015 Illinois was #30 in total defense. They finished 5-7. QBs were Wes Lunt and Chayce Crouch. Lunt signed with Minnesota in '17 as undrafted free agent. 2015 Dawgs were #31 in total defense. They finished 7-6.
2016 Michigan was #1(tied) in total defense. They finished 10-3. QBs were John O'Korn and Wilton Speight 2016 Temple was #3 in total defense. They finished 10-4. QB was P.J. Walker. Walker signed with Colts in '17 as undrafted free agent. 2016 Florida was #5 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QBs were Austin Appleby and Luke Del Rio. Appleby signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent. 2016 Boston College was #9 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Patrick Towles and Darius Wade. 2016 LSU was #10 in total defense. They finished 8-4. QBs were Danny Elting and Brandon Harris. Elting was drafted #219 in '18. 2016 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 12-2.
2017 Michigan was #3 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were John O'Korn, Brandon Peters and Wilton Speight. 2017 UTSA was #5 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QB was Dalton Sturm. Sturm signed with Dallas in '18 as undrafted free agent. 2017 Michigan St. was #7 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Brian Lewerke. 2017 Dawgs were #8 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
2018 Miss. St. was #1 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were Nick Fitzgerald and Keytaon Thompson. Fitzgerald is in '19 combine. 2018 Michigan was #2 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Shea Patterson. 2018 Southern Miss. was #3 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QBs were Jack Abraham and Tate Whatley. 2018 Miami was #4 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Malik Rosier and N'Kosi Perry. 2018 Iowa was #7 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QB was Nate Stanley. 2018 Michigan St. was #10 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Brian Lewerke. 2018 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
That's 24 teams during the Browning era with statistically better defenses but equal or worse records. These teams included numerous QBs who were NFL prospects, draftees or signees.
Were all of these QBs equal or worse than Browning?
Imagine blithely ignoring facts and evidence to justify an irrational hatred for an undersized but hard-working college QB that meaningfully contributed to the best run of Husky teams for decades.
Imagine caring to throw up tens of thousands of middlebrow internet memes, childish homophobic jokes and frat-shower butt-slap banter from a lonely basement.
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I appreciate that Norwegian and FremontTroll actually met me on the merits. Thanks.
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
1. Seattle is soft/weak.
2. The board should serve as a "safe space" for 80's/90's era frat-style homophobic/homoerotic banter.
Am I wrong?
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
Disagree. A few years ago I did a deep dive on conference strength during the James glory days. During James' entire 18-year tenure:
-Oregon State never won more than 4 games per season, and never finished higher than 7th in the Pac.
-California had only 7 winning seasons, and only twice finished higher than 4th in the Pac.
-Oregon had only 6 winning seasons, and finished better than 5th in the Pac only 3 times.
-Stanford had just 7 winning seaons, finished better than 4th in conference 5 times. It tied for the conference championship once, but never made a Rose Bowl.
-Washington State had only 7 winning seasons, and only finished higher than 5th in the Pac just 3 times
USC was good in '16. Oregon was 9-4 in '15 and '18.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
PAC-12 championship in '16 (he was injured)? Apple Cup '18?
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
He's made SOME atrocious decisions, some inexcusable. But any QB is uniquely required to make several decisions on every play, and hence more opportunity to make bad ones. It's not the same as a RB like BUSH.
As has been mentioned, all you need to do is look at Browning's numbers in "big" games he played versus the rest. 16 & 18 P12 championship games he was awful. Bama and Ohio State he was awful.
He also peaked as a sophomore and significantly regressed after. His numbers are meaningless because of sheer volume of starts.
OP go DIAFF.