Jake Browning
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A couple things on the Jake Browning era at UW:
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
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Yes. Besides general agreement that Browning is awful, there also seems to be general agreement that:
1. Seattle is soft/weak.
2. The board should serve as a "safe space" for 80's/90's era frat-style homophobic/homoerotic banter.
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1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
Disagree. A few years ago I did a deep dive on conference strength during the James glory days. During James' entire 18-year tenure:
-Oregon State never won more than 4 games per season, and never finished higher than 7th in the Pac.
-California had only 7 winning seasons, and only twice finished higher than 4th in the Pac.
-Oregon had only 6 winning seasons, and finished better than 5th in the Pac only 3 times.
-Stanford had just 7 winning seaons, finished better than 4th in conference 5 times. It tied for the conference championship once, but never made a Rose Bowl.
-Washington State had only 7 winning seasons, and only finished higher than 5th in the Pac just 3 times
USC was good in '16. Oregon was 9-4 in '15 and '18.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
PAC-12 championship in '16 (he was injured)? Apple Cup '18?
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
He's made SOME atrocious decisions, some inexcusable. But any QB is uniquely required to make several decisions on every play, and hence more opportunity to make bad ones. It's not the same as a RB like BUSH.
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Good luck the rest of the way!TripleRainbowDawg said:
1) He played during one of, if the not worst stretches of Pac 12 football ever... no USC and no Oregon.
Disagree. A few years ago I did a deep dive on conference strength during the James glory days. During James' entire 18-year tenure:
-Oregon State never won more than 4 games per season, and never finished higher than 7th in the Pac.
-California had only 7 winning seasons, and only twice finished higher than 4th in the Pac.
-Oregon had only 6 winning seasons, and finished better than 5th in the Pac only 3 times.
-Stanford had just 7 winning seaons, finished better than 4th in conference 5 times. It tied for the conference championship once, but never made a Rose Bowl.
-Washington State had only 7 winning seasons, and only finished higher than 5th in the Pac just 3 times
USC was good in '16. Oregon was 9-4 in '15 and '18.
2) The offensive drop off that would occur between bad/average competition and good competition was massive. Browning never won a big game. Period.
PAC-12 championship in '16 (he was injured)? Apple Cup '18?
3) Browning's decision making was utterly atrocious. Taking sacks for 20 yards or throwing the ball to avoid a sack but instead throwing an interception is the sort of shit that a good/great player at any position in any sport does not do. Think of it this way, if Reggie Bush was to have done his failed lateral against Texas like 6 times each season we would be talking about him in a completely different light.
He's made SOME atrocious decisions, some inexcusable. But any QB is uniquely required to make several decisions on every play, and hence more opportunity to make bad ones. It's not the same as a RB like BUSH. -
"CuntWaffle", meet me on the merits, my man. Don't just wave it off.
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When did the Apple Cup become a big game?
As has been mentioned, all you need to do is look at Browning's numbers in "big" games he played versus the rest. 16 & 18 P12 championship games he was awful. Bama and Ohio State he was awful.
He also peaked as a sophomore and significantly regressed after. His numbers are meaningless because of sheer volume of starts.
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ITripleRainbowDawg said:I've been lurking for a while, but this is my first post. I've actually spent a good 30 minutes searching for an answer to this question: where can I find a reasoned, analytical argument for why it is that Jake Browning sucks? It seems to be an article of faith and baseline assumption of many participants here. Despite all of the stats (including yards per completion), all-time UW and conference records, and win %, it seems that Jake draws almost nothing but ire and snide digs. I understand the relatively weak arm strength, but why is that not mitigated by the above? Is it presumed that if the Dawgs had had a more physically impressive QB during the Browning era they'd be running the table and winning nattys? Honest question. Thanks.
Is on-the-merits near the 7-11 on Aurora?TripleRainbowDawg said:"CuntWaffle", meet me on the merits, my man. Don't just wave it off.
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Imagine caring about this.TripleRainbowDawg said:2015 Boston College was #1 nationally in total defense. They finished 3-9. Platooned 4 QBs.
2015 Missouri was #6 in total defense. They finished 5-7 (Coach Gary Pinkel's last season). QBs were Drew Lock and Maty Mauk. Lock is in '19 combine.
2015 Penn St. was #14 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorley. Hackenberg was #51 pick in '16 NFL draft. McSorely is in '19 combine.
2015 Central Michigan was #16 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Cooper Rush. Rush signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Utah St. was #17 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QBs were Kent Myers and Chuckie Keeton.
2015 Minnesota was #24 in total defense. They finished 6-7. QB was Mitch Leidner.
2015 Kent St. was #27 in total defense. They finished 3-9. QBs were Colin Reardon and George Bollas.
2015 Vanderbilt was #28 in total defense. They finished 4-8. QBs were Johnny McCrary and Kyle Shurmur. Shurmur is in '19 combine.
2015 NC St. was #29 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Jacoby Brissett. Brissett was picked #91 in '16 draft.
2015 Illinois was #30 in total defense. They finished 5-7. QBs were Wes Lunt and Chayce Crouch. Lunt signed with Minnesota in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2015 Dawgs were #31 in total defense. They finished 7-6.
2016 Michigan was #1(tied) in total defense. They finished 10-3. QBs were John O'Korn and Wilton Speight
2016 Temple was #3 in total defense. They finished 10-4. QB was P.J. Walker. Walker signed with Colts in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Florida was #5 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QBs were Austin Appleby and Luke Del Rio. Appleby signed with Dallas in '17 as undrafted free agent.
2016 Boston College was #9 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Patrick Towles and Darius Wade.
2016 LSU was #10 in total defense. They finished 8-4. QBs were Danny Elting and Brandon Harris. Elting was drafted #219 in '18.
2016 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 12-2.
2017 Michigan was #3 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were John O'Korn, Brandon Peters and Wilton Speight.
2017 UTSA was #5 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QB was Dalton Sturm. Sturm signed with Dallas in '18 as undrafted free agent.
2017 Michigan St. was #7 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2017 Dawgs were #8 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
2018 Miss. St. was #1 in total defense. They finished 8-5. QBs were Nick Fitzgerald and Keytaon Thompson. Fitzgerald is in '19 combine.
2018 Michigan was #2 in total defense. They finished 10-3. QB was Shea Patterson.
2018 Southern Miss. was #3 in total defense. They finished 6-5. QBs were Jack Abraham and Tate Whatley.
2018 Miami was #4 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QBs were Malik Rosier and N'Kosi Perry.
2018 Iowa was #7 in total defense. They finished 9-4. QB was Nate Stanley.
2018 Michigan St. was #10 in total defense. They finished 7-6. QB was Brian Lewerke.
2018 Dawgs were #12 in total defense. They finished 10-3.
That's 24 teams during the Browning era with statistically better defenses but equal or worse records. These teams included numerous QBs who were NFL prospects, draftees or signees.
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Imagine blithely ignoring facts and evidence to justify an irrational hatred for an undersized but hard-working college QB that meaningfully contributed to the best run of Husky teams for decades.
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Imagine caring to throw up tens of thousands of middlebrow internet memes, childish homophobic jokes and frat-shower butt-slap banter from a lonely basement.
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Imagine being a fucktarded loser! Imagine that!
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Smells like a troll job....
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Honestly who gives a fuck? i am glad he is gone. I hope stays the fuck away from the program. all he had to do was win a meanigful bowlgame he never done that. So, why waste energy talking about him. he gone
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He's just had to many embarrassing quarter-half periods of play in big games to really give him any credit.
He's milqtoast Psalm. -
Be a better poster?TripleRainbowDawg said:Imagine caring to throw up tens of thousands of middlebrow internet memes, childish homophobic jokes and frat-shower butt-slap banter from a lonely basement.
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Imagine caring about this
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“A Fucktarded loser” - what are you, 15? That’s like something I just read in my daughter’s YA graphic novel about middle school. A grown man puts that into the public internet? Sad!
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@TripleRainbowDawg
Statistical arguments are very easy to make and useful in the NFL because every team is basically the same and it's easy to compare situations. When you are the quarterback of a good CFB team, in a bad conference, it is very easy to put up great numbers. Your offense if more talented than their defense, you should throw for 8.5 yards/attempt.
In P12 Championships & G5 Bowls, (where you assume relatively equal talent) Jake Browning's Y/A: 5.3 Amazing!
I assume you think Jake is much better than Cyler Miles, well
Jake Browning, SENIOR year Adjusted Y/A: 7.9
Cyler Miles, Sophomore year Adjusted Y/A: 7.8
Cyler Miles is the worst QB I've ever seen, and Jake's team was more talented. It is very easy to but up good numbers as a QB of a good team.
Now shut the fuck up about Jake Browning, he's finally gone and nobody wants to talk about him.
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To be fair, you're a loser who only walks across rainbow sidewalks and never graduated from UW, yet needs to have an opinion about our shitty quarterback that rode Greek pussy and a great defense for 4 years.TripleRainbowDawg said:“A Fucktarded loser” - what are you, 15? That’s like something I just read in my daughter’s YA graphic novel about middle school. A grown man puts that into the public internet? Sad!
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I like this @TripleRainbowDawg guy
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Pics or GTFOhaie said:Greek pussy
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haie said:
I know you are wrong about my alumni status and (implied) sexual orientation. I’ll bet I’m right about your pathetic, aging, basement dwelling lifestyle.TripleRainbowDawg said:
To be fair, you're a loser who only walks across rainbow sidewalks and never graduated from UW, yet needs to have an opinion about our shitty quarterback that rode Greek pussy and a great defense for 4 years. -
But some here do still talk about Jake. I noticed some snide comments just today about his NFL combine efforts. It seems people here have been dunking on the kid for years and have never quitNeighbor2972 said:@TripleRainbowDawg
Statistical arguments are very easy to make and useful in the NFL because every team is basically the same and it's easy to compare situations. When you are the quarterback of a good CFB team, in a bad conference, it is very easy to put up great numbers. Your offense if more talented than their defense, you should throw for 8.5 yards/attempt.
In P12 Championships & G5 Bowls, (where you assume relatively equal talent) Jake Browning's Y/A: 5.3 Amazing!
I assume you think Jake is much better than Cyler Miles, well
Jake Browning, SENIOR year Adjusted Y/A: 7.9
Cyler Miles, Sophomore year Adjusted Y/A: 7.8
Cyler Miles is the worst QB I've ever seen, and Jake's team was more talented. It is very easy to but up good numbers as a QB of a good team.
Now shut the fuck up about Jake Browning, he's finally gone and nobody wants to talk about him. -
STAY!!!!TripleRainbowDawg said:Yes. Besides general agreement that Browning is awful, there also seems to be general agreement that:
1. Seattle is soft/weak.
2. The board should serve as a "safe space" for 80's/90's era frat-style homophobic/homoerotic banter.
Am I wrong? -
and we will never quit, if he was better or had guts of kallen moore he would have taken the last years team to the playoffsTripleRainbowDawg said:
But some here do still talk about Jake. I noticed some snide comments just today about his NFL combine efforts. It seems people here have been dunking on the kid for years and have never quitNeighbor2972 said:@TripleRainbowDawg
Statistical arguments are very easy to make and useful in the NFL because every team is basically the same and it's easy to compare situations. When you are the quarterback of a good CFB team, in a bad conference, it is very easy to put up great numbers. Your offense if more talented than their defense, you should throw for 8.5 yards/attempt.
In P12 Championships & G5 Bowls, (where you assume relatively equal talent) Jake Browning's Y/A: 5.3 Amazing!
I assume you think Jake is much better than Cyler Miles, well
Jake Browning, SENIOR year Adjusted Y/A: 7.9
Cyler Miles, Sophomore year Adjusted Y/A: 7.8
Cyler Miles is the worst QB I've ever seen, and Jake's team was more talented. It is very easy to but up good numbers as a QB of a good team.
Now shut the fuck up about Jake Browning, he's finally gone and nobody wants to talk about him. -
For fucks sake browning... That's some junior varsity shitDoogCourics said:
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I can't believe you guys are giving this dude legitimate responses. His name is TripleRainbowDawg people. Might as well be @WeakarmCobra. He's clearly not serious.
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Wrong, duck. I started this post with an honest question, and I’ve since answered it: there had not been an objective analytical assessment of Browning on this “bored” (until today). I’ve got one more follow up post in the “Neighbors” dudes good point on YPC, but I need time to research. I’ll probably leave Browning after that. I’ll probably hang out a bit more. I’m curious about the homophobia/homoerotica trend here, and the apparent post-frat connection. I’m going to look into that more.
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Aka every Jake throw ever?Pitchfork51 said:
Thats the only girl throw that doesn't have that weird girly look to it that I've ever seen.minion_doog said:
