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Keeyon Stewart, 3* 2019 DB, Houston (North Shore), TX (Offered 1/18/19)

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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    5-11, 160

    Not a safety.

    The only thing I can make of these new CB offers is they don't see McDuffie as a nickel.
  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    I know. I actually thought our recruiting strategy had become one where we targeted a handful of 5 star guys at the end instead of emergency 3 stars. Fuck
  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,086
    We offer two N.Shore guys in desperation on the same day... what’s really going on? Someone with more time to TBS get to the bottom of this.

    Also, watch as we second guess and doubt, one of these two turn into another day 2 draft pick 🤣
  • sinceredawg
    sinceredawg Member Posts: 834
    Looks small and not particularly impressive otherwise. Maybe a little burst into tackles.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    You guys are fucking stupid. Both of these new offers are really talented. This kid is 5'11-6'0 with 4.4 speed in high school. He's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. Top corner prospect for Utah who do a fantastic job finding these under the radar guys with NFL talent. What are you bitching about? Again, late offers doesn't mean guys suck! It also doesn't mean guys who were offered earlier are more talented than them.
  • Motown
    Motown Member Posts: 145
    My eye tells me to like this guy better than hewett. that might be relative to the fact that hewett tape really looked JAGgy and I ain't no expert. I wonder if they are being sold as a the North shore duo to become the northwest duo. The timing of the offers definitely make it feel like a let down, especially as it foreshadows no more Asa.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited January 2019

    You guys are fucking stupid. Both of these new offers are really talented. This kid is 5'11-6'0 with 4.4 speed in high school. He's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. Top corner prospect for Utah who do a fantastic job finding these under the radar guys with NFL talent. What are you bitching about? Again, late offers doesn't mean guys suck! It also doesn't mean guys who were offered earlier are more talented than them.

    Whether or not they're good isn't really the point. It would be one thing if we had been hiding these guys all year, recruiting them and getting them ready to visit in January. But no we're just offering guys who are available because we're desperate.

    Process > Results
    This is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. It's about the results over the process you idiot. I don't care how you get them or when you get them. Just get the best players you can that have NFL talent. That's it. That's the game. From there it's about coaching and developing better than your competition. Utah and UW are pretty damn good at evaluating and developing DB talent so obviously these kids are good and would be good takes.

    And we're not desperate. We already singed three quality DB's. Every single one of them were top guys the rest of the conference wanted that UW beat out to get. We'd be fine just taking those guys in this class and being done. We don't need to reach for guys at all. But Jimmy doesn't sleep and wants to take as many DBs as UW is losing to maintain a deep depth chart of talent. Cool, fine with me.
  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    Basketball recruiting is way more fun atm
  • Motown
    Motown Member Posts: 145

    You guys are fucking stupid. Both of these new offers are really talented. This kid is 5'11-6'0 with 4.4 speed in high school. He's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. Top corner prospect for Utah who do a fantastic job finding these under the radar guys with NFL talent. What are you bitching about? Again, late offers doesn't mean guys suck! It also doesn't mean guys who were offered earlier are more talented than them.

    Whether or not they're good isn't really the point. It would be one thing if we had been hiding these guys all year, recruiting them and getting them ready to visit in January. But no we're just offering guys who are available because we're desperate.

    Process > Results
    This is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. It's about the results over the process you idiot. I don't care how you get them or when you get them. Just get the best players you can that have NFL talent. That's it. That's the game. From there it's about coaching and developing better than your competition. Utah and UW are pretty damn good at evaluating and developing DB talent so obviously these kids are good and would be good takes.

    And we're not desperate. We already singed three quality DB's. Every single one of them were top guys the rest of the conference wanted that UW beat out to get. We'd be fine just taking those guys in this class and being done. We don't need to reach for guys at all. But Jimmy doesn't sleep and wants to take as many DBs as UW is losing to maintain a deep depth chart of talent. Cool, fine with me.
    Good process leads to replicable results. Replicable results are preferable to "oh well it worked out in the short term let's not worry about the future".
    I think what is actually being argued that late offers isn't necessarily a bad process as it still has potential for very good results. Their coach even recognized that Jimmy lake doesn't just offer anyone. One advantage, perhaps, of the low number of offers uw puts out is that a late offer may have more preceived weight than of one just of desperation even if this reeks of desperate times.

  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    You guys are fucking stupid. Both of these new offers are really talented. This kid is 5'11-6'0 with 4.4 speed in high school. He's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. Top corner prospect for Utah who do a fantastic job finding these under the radar guys with NFL talent. What are you bitching about? Again, late offers doesn't mean guys suck! It also doesn't mean guys who were offered earlier are more talented than them.

    Whether or not they're good isn't really the point. It would be one thing if we had been hiding these guys all year, recruiting them and getting them ready to visit in January. But no we're just offering guys who are available because we're desperate.

    Process > Results
    This is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. It's about the results over the process you idiot. I don't care how you get them or when you get them. Just get the best players you can that have NFL talent. That's it. That's the game. From there it's about coaching and developing better than your competition. Utah and UW are pretty damn good at evaluating and developing DB talent so obviously these kids are good and would be good takes.

    And we're not desperate. We already singed three quality DB's. Every single one of them were top guys the rest of the conference wanted that UW beat out to get. We'd be fine just taking those guys in this class and being done. We don't need to reach for guys at all. But Jimmy doesn't sleep and wants to take as many DBs as UW is losing to maintain a deep depth chart of talent. Cool, fine with me.
    Good process leads to replicable results. Replicable results are preferable to "oh well it worked out in the short term let's not worry about the future".
    Late offers and finding guys who continued to get better and better throughout their high school careers is a huge part of the process. The process is ongoing all the way through to the final Signing Day. This isn't throwing out offers to less talented, project guys and hoping they work out. This is finding NFL talent late in the process that you like as much or better than others you have already offered earlier in the process. Anything is replicable if you're good at evaluating talent. We can get guys like Joe Tryon or Mosiah Nasili-Liu every single recruiting cycle by offering them late. There's always top-flight talent out there that is overlooked every single cycle. Continuing to evaluate talent all the way through the process instead of being stuck on guys that were on the radar early is the process. Trust the process.
  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316
    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    edited January 2019

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    And Henry is going to Tennessee for the same reason cuz Bama filled up. Does that make him suck? No we just didn’t stop recruiting him and guess what? He’s still choosing Tennessee over UDUB. Big boys don’t win recruiting battles if they don’t put in the work.


    This is like 4 threads now where you’re getting your shit pushed in. Give up.
    What's your fucking point? You're all over the fucking place bitching about random shit. Henry To'oto'o's recruitment does not at all equate to the recruitment of Pola-Gates. There's no similarities there at all.

    Nobody wins every single recruiting battle. Henry is enamored with the big stage and passion of SEC football. Nothing wrong with that. Can't get them all.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,673 Swaye's Wigwam

    You guys are fucking stupid. Both of these new offers are really talented. This kid is 5'11-6'0 with 4.4 speed in high school. He's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. Top corner prospect for Utah who do a fantastic job finding these under the radar guys with NFL talent. What are you bitching about? Again, late offers doesn't mean guys suck! It also doesn't mean guys who were offered earlier are more talented than them.

    Whether or not they're good isn't really the point. It would be one thing if we had been hiding these guys all year, recruiting them and getting them ready to visit in January. But no we're just offering guys who are available because we're desperate.

    Process > Results
    This is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. It's about the results over the process you idiot. I don't care how you get them or when you get them. Just get the best players you can that have NFL talent. That's it. That's the game. From there it's about coaching and developing better than your competition. Utah and UW are pretty damn good at evaluating and developing DB talent so obviously these kids are good and would be good takes.

    And we're not desperate. We already singed three quality DB's. Every single one of them were top guys the rest of the conference wanted that UW beat out to get. We'd be fine just taking those guys in this class and being done. We don't need to reach for guys at all. But Jimmy doesn't sleep and wants to take as many DBs as UW is losing to maintain a deep depth chart of talent. Cool, fine with me.
    Good process leads to replicable results. Replicable results are preferable to "oh well it worked out in the short term let's not worry about the future".
    Late offers and finding guys who continued to get better and better throughout their high school careers is a huge part of the process. The process is ongoing all the way through to the final Signing Day. This isn't throwing out offers to less talented, project guys and hoping they work out. This is finding NFL talent late in the process that you like as much or better than others you have already offered earlier in the process. Anything is replicable if you're good at evaluating talent. We can get guys like Joe Tryon or Mosiah Nasili-Liu every single recruiting cycle by offering them late. There's always top-flight talent out there that is overlooked every single cycle. Continuing to evaluate talent all the way through the process instead of being stuck on guys that were on the radar early is the process. Trust the process.
    I want you to be right even though you come across like a spoiled bitch who can't handle disagreement, but it doesn't help when you use bad examples to illustrate points. Nasili-Liu just redshirted and Tryon has one sack and a handful of tackles. Using them as examples of stellar prospects who got late offers is premature.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    chuck said:

    You guys are fucking stupid. Both of these new offers are really talented. This kid is 5'11-6'0 with 4.4 speed in high school. He's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. Top corner prospect for Utah who do a fantastic job finding these under the radar guys with NFL talent. What are you bitching about? Again, late offers doesn't mean guys suck! It also doesn't mean guys who were offered earlier are more talented than them.

    Whether or not they're good isn't really the point. It would be one thing if we had been hiding these guys all year, recruiting them and getting them ready to visit in January. But no we're just offering guys who are available because we're desperate.

    Process > Results
    This is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. It's about the results over the process you idiot. I don't care how you get them or when you get them. Just get the best players you can that have NFL talent. That's it. That's the game. From there it's about coaching and developing better than your competition. Utah and UW are pretty damn good at evaluating and developing DB talent so obviously these kids are good and would be good takes.

    And we're not desperate. We already singed three quality DB's. Every single one of them were top guys the rest of the conference wanted that UW beat out to get. We'd be fine just taking those guys in this class and being done. We don't need to reach for guys at all. But Jimmy doesn't sleep and wants to take as many DBs as UW is losing to maintain a deep depth chart of talent. Cool, fine with me.
    Good process leads to replicable results. Replicable results are preferable to "oh well it worked out in the short term let's not worry about the future".
    Late offers and finding guys who continued to get better and better throughout their high school careers is a huge part of the process. The process is ongoing all the way through to the final Signing Day. This isn't throwing out offers to less talented, project guys and hoping they work out. This is finding NFL talent late in the process that you like as much or better than others you have already offered earlier in the process. Anything is replicable if you're good at evaluating talent. We can get guys like Joe Tryon or Mosiah Nasili-Liu every single recruiting cycle by offering them late. There's always top-flight talent out there that is overlooked every single cycle. Continuing to evaluate talent all the way through the process instead of being stuck on guys that were on the radar early is the process. Trust the process.
    I want you to be right even though you come across like a spoiled bitch who can't handle disagreement, but it doesn't help when you use bad examples to illustrate points. Nasili-Liu just redshirted and Tryon has one sack and a handful of tackles. Using them as examples of stellar prospects who got late offers is premature.
    No it's not. Both clearly have the physical talent and intangibles we want. That's all that matters from a recruiting standpoint. How they perform on the field as their careers move forward falls under coaching and development.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,170 Standard Supporter

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    Are there any offers UW has made that you don't like and who are not going to be Barry Sanders 3.0?
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    And Henry is going to Tennessee for the same reason cuz Bama filled up. Does that make him suck? No we just didn’t stop recruiting him and guess what? He’s still choosing Tennessee over UDUB. Big boys don’t win recruiting battles if they don’t put in the work.


    This is like 4 threads now where you’re getting your shit pushed in. Give up.
    What's your fucking point? You're all over the fucking place bitching about random shit. Henry To'oto'o's recruitment does not at all equate to the recruitment of Pola-Gates. There's no similarities there at all.

    Nobody wins every single recruiting battle. Henry is enamored with the big stage and passion of SEC football. Nothing wrong with that. Can't get them all.

    Me: “Alabama spots filled up for both Henry To’oto’o & Noa Pola-Gates”


    You: “ There’s no similarities there at all”


    Do you understand how hard it is to talk to someone like you?
    Pola-Gates was passed on by Bama a long time ago. Bama has been slow playing To'oto'o but him going to Tennessee has more to do with Tosh leaving than Bama passing on him. To'oto'o has far better options than Pola-Gates does. Nebraska is a far step down from the options To'oto'o has. If UW wanted Pola-Gates,they would have kept recruiting him. It's that simple.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    Are there any offers UW has made that you don't like and who are not going to be Barry Sanders 3.0?
    Yes, I was not a big fan of them offering Jay'Veon Sunday this early in the process for 2020. But I'm okay with it if and only if they're taking two running backs in 2020 and they need to add a power back who can bring some more physicality and tackle breaking to the otherwise pussy ass, shrivel dick offense we've had the past couple years.
  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    And Henry is going to Tennessee for the same reason cuz Bama filled up. Does that make him suck? No we just didn’t stop recruiting him and guess what? He’s still choosing Tennessee over UDUB. Big boys don’t win recruiting battles if they don’t put in the work.


    This is like 4 threads now where you’re getting your shit pushed in. Give up.
    What's your fucking point? You're all over the fucking place bitching about random shit. Henry To'oto'o's recruitment does not at all equate to the recruitment of Pola-Gates. There's no similarities there at all.

    Nobody wins every single recruiting battle. Henry is enamored with the big stage and passion of SEC football. Nothing wrong with that. Can't get them all.

    Me: “Alabama spots filled up for both Henry To’oto’o & Noa Pola-Gates”


    You: “ There’s no similarities there at all”


    Do you understand how hard it is to talk to someone like you?
    Pola-Gates was passed on by Bama a long time ago. Bama has been slow playing To'oto'o but him going to Tennessee has more to do with Tosh leaving than Bama passing on him. To'oto'o has far better options than Pola-Gates does. Nebraska is a far step down from the options To'oto'o has. If UW wanted Pola-Gates,they would have kept recruiting him. It's that simple.
    If UDUB thought these kids were good, they would’ve recruited them for a lot longer than three weeks before signing day it’s that simple.. You’re so stupid that you don’t understand everytime you flip flop, it’s proving your original point wrong. It’s that simple.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    And Henry is going to Tennessee for the same reason cuz Bama filled up. Does that make him suck? No we just didn’t stop recruiting him and guess what? He’s still choosing Tennessee over UDUB. Big boys don’t win recruiting battles if they don’t put in the work.


    This is like 4 threads now where you’re getting your shit pushed in. Give up.
    What's your fucking point? You're all over the fucking place bitching about random shit. Henry To'oto'o's recruitment does not at all equate to the recruitment of Pola-Gates. There's no similarities there at all.

    Nobody wins every single recruiting battle. Henry is enamored with the big stage and passion of SEC football. Nothing wrong with that. Can't get them all.

    Me: “Alabama spots filled up for both Henry To’oto’o & Noa Pola-Gates”


    You: “ There’s no similarities there at all”


    Do you understand how hard it is to talk to someone like you?
    Pola-Gates was passed on by Bama a long time ago. Bama has been slow playing To'oto'o but him going to Tennessee has more to do with Tosh leaving than Bama passing on him. To'oto'o has far better options than Pola-Gates does. Nebraska is a far step down from the options To'oto'o has. If UW wanted Pola-Gates,they would have kept recruiting him. It's that simple.
    If UDUB thought these kids were good, they would’ve recruited them for a lot longer than three weeks before signing day it’s that simple.. You’re so stupid that you don’t understand everytime you flip flop, it’s proving your original point wrong. It’s that simple.
    Jimmy Lake only offers guys he thinks have NFL potential. Obviously he thinks they're good you idiot. Timing of offer doesn't mean shit. There are thousands of high school players all across the country. These coaches don't have time between coaching the players and studying their opponents during the season to scour the country for kids to recruit. That's why kids go under the radar until late in the process when the season is over and the coaches have more time to evaluate Senior film. You act like these coaches know about every fucking prospect in the country from the very beginning of the recruiting cycle. News flash. They don't.
  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316

    So @StrongArmCobra all these guys are better than Noa Pola-Gates and he’s just an overrated 4 star who the coaches could easily get but these guys are all better?

    Most likely better, yes. Do you see any big boys going after Pola-Gates anymore? He's going to Nebraska.
    And Henry is going to Tennessee for the same reason cuz Bama filled up. Does that make him suck? No we just didn’t stop recruiting him and guess what? He’s still choosing Tennessee over UDUB. Big boys don’t win recruiting battles if they don’t put in the work.


    This is like 4 threads now where you’re getting your shit pushed in. Give up.
    What's your fucking point? You're all over the fucking place bitching about random shit. Henry To'oto'o's recruitment does not at all equate to the recruitment of Pola-Gates. There's no similarities there at all.

    Nobody wins every single recruiting battle. Henry is enamored with the big stage and passion of SEC football. Nothing wrong with that. Can't get them all.

    Me: “Alabama spots filled up for both Henry To’oto’o & Noa Pola-Gates”


    You: “ There’s no similarities there at all”


    Do you understand how hard it is to talk to someone like you?
    Pola-Gates was passed on by Bama a long time ago. Bama has been slow playing To'oto'o but him going to Tennessee has more to do with Tosh leaving than Bama passing on him. To'oto'o has far better options than Pola-Gates does. Nebraska is a far step down from the options To'oto'o has. If UW wanted Pola-Gates,they would have kept recruiting him. It's that simple.
    If UDUB thought these kids were good, they would’ve recruited them for a lot longer than three weeks before signing day it’s that simple.. You’re so stupid that you don’t understand everytime you flip flop, it’s proving your original point wrong. It’s that simple.
    Jimmy Lake only offers guys he thinks have NFL potential. Obviously he thinks they're good you idiot. Timing of offer doesn't mean shit. There are thousands of high school players all across the country. These coaches don't have time between coaching the players and studying their opponents during the season to scour the country for kids to recruit. That's why kids go under the radar until late in the process when the season is over and the coaches have more time to evaluate Senior film. You act like these coaches know about every fucking prospect in the country from the very beginning of the recruiting cycle. News flash. They don't.
    Why was Noa offered an entire year before these kids then if these kids are better? That’s the only fucking premise I’m fucking arguing over. Not if these kids CAN be good. You said we thought noa was good we’d recruit him over these guys. WHICH WE FUCKING DID A WHOLE YEAR IN ADVANCED. Husky Mosster how many NFL kids didn’t recruit until there was three weeks left of the cycle?