Jay'Veon Sunday, 2020 3* RB, Waco (Connally), TX (Committed)
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Bijan was quoted several months ago as saying he’d hardly heard from our coaches. So it’s not pure conjecture... I actually have the kid’s own words to go off of.CallMeBigErn said:
My point is that our coaches evaluate on a completely different level than what us idiots see on Hudl. UW coaches evaluate on potential, work ethic, and ability to be developed arguably more than anybody. We idiots are completely ignorant to what the coaches are looking for because we only see a blip of what they see. From what I CAN see, this guy is strong and has stellar footwork and balance. His speed can be improved. "Ungainly" wasted motion can be improved. No one is ever going to mistake him for Ahmed. That's not his game, but there's lots of ways to skin a cat. Every program needs a bruiser type RB and he looks the part already as a junior in high school. He's 17 fucking years old and looks 21. He clearly has something the coaches like if we're going to Texas to get him. Furthermore, this guy has a senior season of high school and a redshirt season before he ever sees the field, at the very least. A lot can change in 3+ years. The dude has potential to be a Mack truck. We have Ahmed, Newton, Pleasant, McGrew, Davis (likely a fucking stud), and whoever our #1 RB recruit this class is to go through before Sunday even puts his cleats on. To say this is a terrible pickup is a flat out guess at this point. Of course I'd rather have Bijan, but I certainly don't know what's going on behind the scenes and none of you TBSers do either, despite what you think you might know. You can surmise that it's laziness all you want, but that's also just a wild ass guess. Sunday's commitment also doesn't mean we still aren't wholeheartedly pursuing Bijan. To say otherwise is yet another guess. Isn't he visiting? I highly doubt Sunday's commitment is going to push us out of the race for Bijan. You take Bijan any way you can.guntlove said:
Sorry... I have to come back to this. There's just so much retard in this poast, it's really quite staggering.CallMeBigErn said:
I happen to like his film. I see tools and potential. His JUNIOR film, no less. How many Pete recruits have blown up their senior HS season? It's a fucking lot. Pete knows talent and knows what he can develop, so this is absolutely a LIPO situation and slamming Sunday at this point in his career, as a junior in high school, is ignorant. It clearly bugs me when the first response to him possibly committing is "this is a terrible pickup". Is this place a parody? It's like The Onion is running a Husky forum.guntlove said:
Goodness... you're awful at this. Literally nobody here is upset because Sunday is a 3 star recruit. They're upset because they don't think he's very good. And because there are other, far more talented players with vastly superior offer sheets that Bhonerpha isn't willing to hustle for. This board loved, Rapp, Hampton, Otton, Fautanu, Tuputala, Curne -- all were three stars when they signed.CallMeBigErn said:whuggy said:
Oh. You must mean the Clemson that signed 5 FIVE star recruits the year before and is on pace to have the best recruiting class in the history of college football. And you put them in the same paragraph as UW as far as recruiting? Wash your mouth out.CallMeBigErn said:
Wanna know a fun fact? Clemson signed SIXTEEN guys that were 3* or less in their 2019 class. That includes a running back. And that was after winning a national championship. One of them was even a 2*! How dense are you people? UW signed EIGHT.whuggy said:
Well you're basically missing the point. If you want to be elite, you have to recruit elite. UW doesn't.CallMeBigErn said:
La'Veon Bell's offers: Bowling Green, Marshall, Eastern Michigan, and Michigan State.Domicillo said:Sunday: Arkansas, Baylor, Colorado, Colorado St, Houston, Kansas, Kansas St, Louisiana Tech, SMU, Temple, Texas State, Utah, Washington
Morrison: Arkansas, Baylor, Colorado St, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Liberty, Memphis, Minnesota, Mississippi St, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, North Texas, SMU, Syracuse, UCF, Utah, Washington
If you found yourself commenting on Sevion's quality of top ten schools and are already defending Sunday's commitment as an under the radar find, you've got some flawed cognitive thinking skills.
I don't slam recruits before they even touch a college football field. The dude clearly has tools. If the coach's want him this early, I'm guessing they, you know, want him. Y'all seem to think they're going, "Oh, you wanna come to UW? Great! That means I don't have to interview anyone else. Thank god, because that shit is a pain! Let me go find you some paperwork and get you in touch with HR."
If we get a 3* recruit, we bitch that they're not a 4* recruit. When we get a 4* recruit, we bitch that they're not a 5* recruit. When we get a 5* recruit, we bitch that they're not a 6* recruit. When we get a white recruit, we bitch that they're not black. When we get a black recruit, we bitch that they're not white. We bitch that we recruit Texas, and when we get a Texas recruit, we bitch that he's not up to whatever backasswards standards this place creates for players.
I'm not comparing the two. Do you have parasites in your brain? Fucking Christ. I'm ridiculing the teenage angst of this place when we sign a 3* recruit. It's fucking fascinating. It's not abnormal to sign a 3* recruit. Even the elites sign 3* recruits.
The reasons I've seen for disliking him in here include one 100m track time and a supposedly awkward running style. Expert scouting right there.
LIPO.
You're faulting Sunday's detractors for judging him based on his "JUNIOR" film, his fastest 100m track time, and the running style exhibited in the video of said 100m race.
Firstly, we only have JUNIOR film for these kids. Nobody has played their senior year yet. Literally every 2020 recruit in the country with an offer has gotten it based off their JUNIOR film. What the fuck do you think the coaches who scouted him were watching?
Secondly... why is a league sanctioned track meet a poor way to judge a kid's top end speed? I can't think of a more objective and practical way to do so.
Thirdly and finally, did you even watch the video of him running track? If you had you'd know that there is nothing "supposedly" awkward about his running style. Even the folks here who like the kid would most likely admit that there's something very ungainly about the way he runs.
I'd love Bijan, but I will be happy with Adams and Sunday. Would you be happy with Adams and Sunday? If we lose Adams and Sunday is our #1 RB in the class, then yes, I agree that this RB class is a massive failure. It needs to be Bijan/Adams and Sunday or all three.
I hate the hand-wringing over offers and commits when we have 1% of the information that the coaches do. Call me a Doog all you want, but that's just being rational. And remember, I'm banned from Dawgman. I hate this place, but I hate Dawgman 7x more.
We don’t have to throw out offers like Oregon does, but if we’re going to evaluate and vet kids like we’re the fucking CIA, then you better show some hustle to establish and maintain relationships once you’ve offered. Otherwise, what’s the fucking point of all the evaluation? This is one of my main problems with our recruiting. We only have a small pool of people who clear our NSA vetting process and are deemed worthy of an offer... yet we’re still getting consistently out hustled for those small number of kids.
I’d be ‘okay’ with any class that includes Adams... he is the key now. We’re not going to take 3 RBs and Bonerpop is never going to put in the work to get Bijan too... it appears he never really tried. I just think we’re at a point where we should be aiming higher than simply ‘okay’. If we have any aspiration to win a championship, we’re gonna have to figure that out.
Right now our recruiting lacks focus, urgency, hustle, or a coherent plan. It’s a fucking mess.
Also dude... you have the same ‘limited’ amount of information to go off as I do... so you’re positive assessment of this kid at this stage is just as much conjecture as mine. So how about you just offer your opinion, and shut the fuck up with the complaining about those who disagree with you. -
You got a link for this? Interested in how this looks.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Though our recruiting averages model Clemson's natty emergence, they started landed higher rated guys at a higher percentage by now. -
@guntlove
I thought the Bijan not hearing from coaches thing was refuted.
May 16:
Angulo on Bijan’s new Top 6 and trying to find whether UDUB or LSU gets the last visit.
PHOENIX, Ariz. – Bijan Robinson has narrowed things down considerably in recent weeks and is close to kicking off an important round of official visits.
The 247Sports Composite five-star running back has trips scheduled with Ohio State and Texas next month, and also plans to officially visit UCLA and USC after that, with a fifth stop yet to be determined.
"I have really cut things down and just making sure I inform coaches who I am not considering anymore," Robinson told 247Sports. "It's really hard to figure out everything. I'm getting messages all the time and obviously the coaches all want their time to make their pitch, so I want to be respectful and make sure no one is wasting their time. It takes a lot from me when I have stuff to do trying to keep up with everything, so right now I'm only focusing on a few schools.
"USC, UCLA, Ohio State, Texas, LSU and Washington -- those are the main schools right now I would say. I went out to Washington most recently about two weeks ago and I really like them. The fans and the area were great, the vibe in the city is something I really enjoy and coach KB (Keith Bhonapha) is a great coach and we have been talking since my freshman year. Right now they are pushing for an official so we'll see."
The 6-foot, 200-pound back is scheduled to visit Ohio State on Jun. 14 and then Texas on Jun. 21.
I clearly just take issue with the echo chamber in here where there seems to be zero faith in the coaches. They've shown steady and incremental progress on the field and in recruiting every single year (not so much the offense, I agree, but I blame Browning), but that's not fast enough for a lot of people in here. Rome wasn't built in a day. As for the 2020 class, It's May, and I like to be objective, so I want to judge the class in February. We saw the same panic last year around this time and then we ended with our best class ever. These coaches keep things closer to the vest than any program I've ever seen, so it's anyone's guess about who we're in touch with, what our play is, and how this class will end up. Shit, there's now rumors that Smalls will be a Dawg. It's the whirlwind of conjecture that bugs me. But yes, I'll shut up about it all. I'm getting my titties in a twist about it. You're absolutely right. Seriously. -
Chest is actually working on a graphic that displays how we've actually done a better job the past two years at recruiting depth but their 4/5 star close rate got higher and higher after Hopkins-Watkins-MartavisHillsboroDuck said:
You got a link for this? Interested in how this looks.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Though our recruiting averages model Clemson's natty emergence, they started landed higher rated guys at a higher percentage by now. -
Well that's encouraging to read regarding Bijan... but he was quoted as saying something quite different a couple months before that. Hopefully we have a shot.CallMeBigErn said:@guntlove
I thought the Bijan not hearing from coaches thing was refuted.
May 16:
Angulo on Bijan’s new Top 6 and trying to find whether UDUB or LSU gets the last visit.
PHOENIX, Ariz. – Bijan Robinson has narrowed things down considerably in recent weeks and is close to kicking off an important round of official visits.
The 247Sports Composite five-star running back has trips scheduled with Ohio State and Texas next month, and also plans to officially visit UCLA and USC after that, with a fifth stop yet to be determined.
"I have really cut things down and just making sure I inform coaches who I am not considering anymore," Robinson told 247Sports. "It's really hard to figure out everything. I'm getting messages all the time and obviously the coaches all want their time to make their pitch, so I want to be respectful and make sure no one is wasting their time. It takes a lot from me when I have stuff to do trying to keep up with everything, so right now I'm only focusing on a few schools.
"USC, UCLA, Ohio State, Texas, LSU and Washington -- those are the main schools right now I would say. I went out to Washington most recently about two weeks ago and I really like them. The fans and the area were great, the vibe in the city is something I really enjoy and coach KB (Keith Bhonapha) is a great coach and we have been talking since my freshman year. Right now they are pushing for an official so we'll see."
The 6-foot, 200-pound back is scheduled to visit Ohio State on Jun. 14 and then Texas on Jun. 21.
I clearly just take issue with the echo chamber in here where there seems to be zero faith in the coaches. They've shown steady and incremental progress on the field and in recruiting every single year (not so much the offense, I agree, but I blame Browning), but that's not fast enough for a lot of people in here. Rome wasn't built in a day. As for the 2020 class, It's May, and I like to be objective, so I want to judge the class in February. We saw the same panic last year around this time and then we ended with our best class ever. These coaches keep things closer to the vest than any program I've ever seen, so it's anyone's guess about who we're in touch with, what our play is, and how this class will end up. Shit, there's now rumors that Smalls will be a Dawg. It's the whirlwind of conjecture that bugs me. But yes, I'll shut up about it all. I'm getting my titties in a twist about it. You're absolutely right. Seriously.
I'll disagree with you on the level of panic compared to last year. I think there was a lot of consternation about our WR recruiting... which turned out to be totally justified when it was later revealed that Lubick had one foot out the door the whole year. It was only the last minute signing of Puka that saved that position from being a disaster. But there's really no comparison between how things were this time last year and where we're at right now. This is a unique kind of ineptitude we're seeing. Again, we could stop talking about it until February as you suggest... but then what would be the point of this place?
And if you want to put stock in an anonymous rumor from dawgman regarding Smalls, that's your prerogative. But what if the anonymous dawgman rumor instead stated that Smalls was never coming to UW? Would you put stock in it then? My guess is you'd flip people shit for believing an anonymous poster on dawgman. We're all guilty sometimes of selectively choosing information that supports our points of view. Myself included.
Anyways... I'll stop rambling. I hope you're right, dude... and I hope by February we're looking at the top 10 class we all thought we'd get and laughing about how worked up we were back in May. But it really looks fucking bad right now. So we'll see, I guess. -
Who?LaMichael_Corleone said:
Chest is actually working on a graphic that displays how we've actually done a better job the past two years at recruiting depth but their 4/5 star close rate got higher and higher after Hopkins-Watkins-MartavisHillsboroDuck said:
You got a link for this? Interested in how this looks.LaMichael_Corleone said:
Though our recruiting averages model Clemson's natty emergence, they started landed higher rated guys at a higher percentage by now. -
I watched his HUDL. I have no clue how to judge film, but he looks like he knows how to set up defenders and he finishes strong. Awkward gait that almost looks like he takes too long of strides and has to regenerate speed each time he puts his foot in the ground versus maintaining his speed.
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Looks like Barry Sanders 2.0 to me
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His RB play reminds me a lot of Earl ThomasFirePete said:Looks like Barry Sanders 2.0 to me
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