UW vs Oregon's class from a USC perspective
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Ballz I love you. But don’t think for a second that you have any influence on a football opinion that I have. Keep doing you tho and again I love you.StrongArmCobra said:
I see you're starting to come around.LaMichael_Corleone said:The DT/DE/OLB stuff is interesting as well. Lets pencil Funa in Hollins spot and pencil KT where Jelks is. That’s amazing. But in a system where you only play 2 DT’s for UDUB to get these guys it’s like getting a two deep of KT/Funa.
But my whole point was the depth of Oregon’s class that scares me because Townsend and Ma’ae are back up plans for Latu and Trice. I just feel that way about a lot of Oregon’s class.
Keyon ware and sua’va would be behind Tui, Bandes, and Paama by quite a ways (basing this all off film). ILB they picked up that Mathis kid late and I don’t think funa is going to play inside. I wasn’t saying safety was major for them but if you look at all these guys they aren’t #1/#2 options outside of KT, Jonah, and Wright and kind of Mase due to the injury.
And I’ve been around on Oregon having an overrated class because all of my friends are rich ass Oregon kids who don’t know shit. I do like a lot of their players but it’s a total Sark class. -
Where da fuk did my post go?greenblood said:
ClassyDomicillo said:
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
I guess we'll see won't we...
Anyways, I don't think it was a classless post ... just a statement of fact.
If you check the 247 2020 rankings for DT/SDE/WDE you'll find:
- no westcoast DTs in the top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast SDE in the fringe outside top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast WDE in the top 20
Oregon better kick it up a notch recruiting nationally if they want help in those areas ... -
I saw the post! God damn Russians, trying to destroy all facts and reasonanimate said:
Where da fuk did my post go?greenblood said:
ClassyDomicillo said:
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
I guess we'll see won't we...
Anyways, I don't think it was a classless post ... just a statement of fact.
If you check the 247 2020 rankings for DT/SDE/WDE you'll find:
- no westcoast DTs in the top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast SDE in the fringe outside top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast WDE in the top 20
Oregon better kick it up a notch recruiting nationally if they want help in those areas ... -
Smalls would be a WDE in their system and he's a monster.animate said:
Where da fuk did my post go?greenblood said:
ClassyDomicillo said:
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
I guess we'll see won't we...
Anyways, I don't think it was a classless post ... just a statement of fact.
If you check the 247 2020 rankings for DT/SDE/WDE you'll find:
- no westcoast DTs in the top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast SDE in the fringe outside top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast WDE in the top 20
Oregon better kick it up a notch recruiting nationally if they want help in those areas ...
We absolutely cannot whiff on him. -
I think one of the better 2020 DT out there next year is actually this dude from Kapolei (teammates with Buelow). Very raw but a great athlete, also plays volleyball, and has the frame to grow into a DT. Malloe started following him on Twitter a couple weeks ago after his latest visit to Hawaii.
https://247sports.com/Player/Maceal-Afaese-46058422/
http://www.hudl.com/v/2Agv5v
All that being said, if a guy whose still 260 and raw like this is one of the better DT prospects on the west coast next year, there’s a reason to be concerned for pretty much any Pac12 schools except UW.
Edit: I’m gonna do some posts/create some threads on a couple 2020 guys like this in the next few weeks after I get weaned off the 2019 recruiting juice. -
Roof mentioned Maceal Afaese and Stanley McKenzie as the 2 guys we will be targeting. Definitely a bad year out west for 2020.Domicillo said:I think one of the better 2020 DT out there next year is actually this dude from Kapolei (teammates with Buelow). Very raw but a great athlete, also plays volleyball, but has a frame to grow into a DT. Malloe started following him on Twitter a couple weeks ago after his latest visit to Hawaii.
https://247sports.com/Player/Maceal-Afaese-46058422/
http://www.hudl.com/v/2Agv5v
All that being said, if a guy whose still 260 and raw like this is one of the better DT prospects on the west coast next year, there’s a reason to be concerned for pretty much any Pac12 schools except UW.
Edit: I’m gonna do some posts/create some threads on a couple 2020 guys like this in the next few weeks after I get weaned off the 2019 recruiting juice. -
Jordon Scott came from Florida. It's not like we have to only recruit DL from California or UtahKrunkJuice said:
Roof mentioned Maceal Afaese and Stanley McKenzie as the 2 guys we will be targeting. Definitely a bad year out west for 2020.Domicillo said:I think one of the better 2020 DT out there next year is actually this dude from Kapolei (teammates with Buelow). Very raw but a great athlete, also plays volleyball, but has a frame to grow into a DT. Malloe started following him on Twitter a couple weeks ago after his latest visit to Hawaii.
https://247sports.com/Player/Maceal-Afaese-46058422/
http://www.hudl.com/v/2Agv5v
All that being said, if a guy whose still 260 and raw like this is one of the better DT prospects on the west coast next year, there’s a reason to be concerned for pretty much any Pac12 schools except UW.
Edit: I’m gonna do some posts/create some threads on a couple 2020 guys like this in the next few weeks after I get weaned off the 2019 recruiting juice.
Good test for Cristobal. Let's see if he can pull Southeast and Texas DL talent. He'll probably have to -
Would have loved to. But we don't have any connections at the passport office.HillsboroDuck said:
They could have really used MarlonWeakarmCobra said:I still think Oregon struck out at DT recruiting 2 years in a row. Their eagle recruiting has been fucking phenomenal though
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Domicillo said:
I saw the post! God damn Russians, trying to destroy all facts and reasonanimate said:
Where da fuk did my post go?greenblood said:
ClassyDomicillo said:
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
I guess we'll see won't we...
Anyways, I don't think it was a classless post ... just a statement of fact.
If you check the 247 2020 rankings for DT/SDE/WDE you'll find:
- no westcoast DTs in the top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast SDE in the fringe outside top 20
- maybe 2 westcoast WDE in the top 20
Oregon better kick it up a notch recruiting nationally if they want help in those areas ...
I take offense to this. I'm much more Russian than @StrongArmCobra is black, and we don't want to destroy facts or reason. We just want our prostitutki to piss on your president and starve Ukrainians. Give some poison gas to our Syrian buddies. Maybe invade Poland. We're not bad people. -
LB was and still is a need. getting we have 3 and still need heimuli to really address it.HillsboroDuck said:
UW doesn’t really have any huge pressing needs, not like Oregon does. We have future depth needs which is what recruiting is supported to address. Would anyone be shocked if we RS this whole class like last one? I could see Heimuli or maybe Ford (we don’t get him) taking off the RS but even then it wouldn’t be significant.backthepack said:
We both filled needs.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
Unless you mean Horn, which yeah, it’s a need. Not sure he fills it though.
