UW vs Oregon's class from a USC perspective
I liked your OP for the most part. But you are a bit carried away with how many "priority" recruits Oregon beat us for.
I've been known to follow recruiting fairly closely. To my eye we wanted and lost to Oregon 3 important recruits: Funa, Jonah T, Aumavae-Laulu.
We did not prioritize (rightly or wrongly we shall find out) Dollars, Hudson-Ware, KT, Wright, nor Pittman. Some good or very good players here, but the staff didn't prioritize them (I wish they had on a couple of those, especially Wright).
I'm not being an apologist, just a realist. We lost 3 important battles to Oregon and it sucks.
We actually did worse against Washington. We tried to get several players that signed with them:
Latu and McDuffie at the top of the list. But we also tried to get Kalepo and Fautanu when Jonah T and Rhyan went/trended elsewhere, we tried to get Cam Williams and Asa Turner when our safety board was barren, we would have gladly taken Paama and Tuitele but couldn't get them, we reached out to Kamren Fabiculanan late when our CB cupboard was empty and we ignored Bandes for some unknown reason. Washington's class is stuffed with players we would have gladly signed.
So...yeah. For the first time in a long, long time, Trojans are tasting defeat to PAC12 schools in a large way on signing day. Sucks.
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Part of their issue was that they went for Williams, turner, kalepo, and fautanu late. Helton dropped the ball big time. How the fuck does USC ignore Bandes and Wright? This is a more systemic issue than just Washington and Oregon recruiting better. Helton is USC’s very own Helfrich. This program is in shambles right now.
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@Dennis_DeYoung @CokeGreaterThanPepsi Objectively, would you take Oregon's class over ours? Please respond before Ballz comes to deliver aids to this thread.
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No fucking way.insinceredawg said:@Dennis_DeYoung @CokeGreaterThanPepsi Objectively, would you take Oregon's class over ours? Please respond before Ballz comes to deliver aids to this thread.
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LA radio bemoaning how Oregon hasn't gone away and how stacked they are based mainly on Tibbydoe
4th place in the north
Last three pac 12 champs? USC and UW
UO gets the off season natty. Didn't even mention UW class
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It’s a godsend for the conference to stop the influx of west coast high school talent into the black hole of wasted development that is USC. Cristobal doesn’t necessarily strike me as a competent enough coach to do a lot with what he’s signing, but I’m sure he’ll be more effective than USC has for the last ten years. Maybe now we can start working towards restoring our long lost moniker of “4th best P5 conference”.
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I think Oregon and Washington were focused on different things this year. If you look by position you’ll see there are areas where either Oregon or Washington has the edge. Oregon has a big edge at WR, while UW has a big edge at DT.
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Yesterday all but wrapped up the offseason natty for the ducks. SC could make a late run if they let Kliff really do his thing but right now it looks like too much to overcome. The big question right now is if Herbert can follow in Josh Allens footsteps of turning a barren shelf of conference hardware into first round paycheck.RaceBannon said:LA radio bemoaning how Oregon hasn't gone away and how stacked they are based mainly on Tibbydoe
4th place in the north
Last three pac 12 champs? USC and UW
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You shut that dirty whore mouth, Helton just needs moar timgreenblood said:Part of their issue was that they went for Williams, turner, kalepo, and fautanu late. Helton dropped the ball big time. How the fuck does USC ignore Bandes and Wright? This is a more systemic issue than just Washington and Oregon recruiting better. Helton is USC’s very own Helfrich. This program is in shambles right now.
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I understand the thought but I hope all 11 teams have a shitty coach and no talentGreenRiverGatorz said:It’s a godsend for the conference to stop the influx of west coast high school talent into the black hole of wasted development that is USC. Cristobal doesn’t necessarily strike me as a competent enough coach to do a lot with what he’s signing, but I’m sure he’ll be more effective than USC has for the last ten years. Maybe now we can start working towards restoring our long lost moniker of “4th best P5 conference”.
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Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway. -
We both filled needs.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway. -
It’s getting to be revenge of the needs around hereDJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway. -
UW doesn’t really have any huge pressing needs, not like Oregon does. We have future depth needs which is what recruiting is supported to address. Would anyone be shocked if we RS this whole class like last one? I could see Heimuli or maybe Ford (we don’t get him) taking off the RS but even then it wouldn’t be significant.backthepack said:
We both filled needs.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
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DL>>>HillsboroDuck said:
UW doesn’t really have any huge pressing needs, not like Oregon does. We have future depth needs which is what recruiting is suooosed to address. Would anyone be shocked if we RS this whole class like last one? I could see Heimuli or maybe Ford (we don’t get him) taking off the RS but even then it wouldn’t be significant.backthepack said:
We both filled needs.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
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DL wasn’t a need though in the sense they’re discussing.backthepack said:
DL>>>HillsboroDuck said:
UW doesn’t really have any huge pressing needs, not like Oregon does. We have future depth needs which is what recruiting is suooosed to address. Would anyone be shocked if we RS this whole class like last one? I could see Heimuli or maybe Ford (we don’t get him) taking off the RS but even then it wouldn’t be significant.backthepack said:
We both filled needs.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
Unless you mean Horn, which yeah, it’s a need. Not sure he fills it though.
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Oh yeah but we needed the depth. Hopefully everyone redshirts.HillsboroDuck said:
DL wasn’t a need though in the sense they’re discussing.backthepack said:
DL>>>HillsboroDuck said:
UW doesn’t really have any huge pressing needs, not like Oregon does. We have future depth needs which is what recruiting is suooosed to address. Would anyone be shocked if we RS this whole class like last one? I could see Heimuli or maybe Ford (we don’t get him) taking off the RS but even then it wouldn’t be significant.backthepack said:
We both filled needs.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
Unless you mean Horn, which yeah, it’s a need. Not sure he fills it though.
Of course our DL class kills, that’s not the point. -
I still think Oregon struck out at DT recruiting 2 years in a row. Their edge recruiting has been fucking phenomenal though
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They could have really used MarlonWeakarmCobra said:I still think Oregon struck out at DT recruiting 2 years in a row. Their eagle recruiting has been fucking phenomenal though
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Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
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They could have used every single kid they missed on. I still evaluate Oregon's class relative to where they've been. And, yes, they did fill one glaring position need in WR. There was a reason Herbert couldn't quit Mitchell, and as the season wore on, it started to cost them. If he had at least one other guy he trusted to go with a renewed running game, they might win a couple moar. That particular problem killed them at Utah.HillsboroDuck said:
They could have really used MarlonWeakarmCobra said:I still think Oregon struck out at DT recruiting 2 years in a row. Their eagle recruiting has been fucking phenomenal though
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Posts like these make me want to pour a nice cool glass of clorox.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
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Edge to UW hereWilburHooksHands said:
Posts like these make me want to pour a nice cool glass of clorox.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day. -
I don't see anybody stopping you.WilburHooksHands said:
Posts like these make me want to pour a nice cool glass of clorox.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day. -
Dennis may be triggered by the ducks posting here about recruiting to immediate needs. Maybe he'll be laughing this time,since it's quooks instead of doogs, rather than throwing a fit and pinning another thread.
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I think your definition of "struck out is pretty off base. Are there kids like Ika we missed on, yes. We did pretty well on the defensive line and only lose Jelks if you count him as a DE rather than OLB.WeakarmCobra said:I still think Oregon struck out at DT recruiting 2 years in a row. Their edge recruiting has been fucking phenomenal though
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Because filling 2019 needs with the 2019 class should work well.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway. -
This answer surprised me!DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
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Filling needs is a NFL free agency thing
I can only go by the numbers and the numbers say we had one more 4 star and UO had the 5 star which is the difference in the ranking. Kudos and all that but now we see who coaches them up best
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Yes and No. Oregon prioritized DT But didn’t get anyone missing on Ika, and Stephon Wright. Same can be said at LB because I think Funa will be a DE/OLB and hopefully UDUB gets Danny Hammer. WR is the only position they beat UDUB at and it was just Mycah Pittman. They stopped recruiting Delgado the second he went to IMG. They did a good job getting Jonah but he also hated Calloway and USC was really his only other choice. The secondary was a priority to them getting the biggest recruit they’ve gotten in years in Wright but his academics seem to be a big issue. Blades decommitted, criddell decommitted, and the only Oregon target UDUB went after was Cam Williams and he’s a Dawg now.greenblood said:I think Oregon and Washington were focused on different things this year. If you look by position you’ll see there are areas where either Oregon or Washington has the edge. Oregon has a big edge at WR, while UW has a big edge at DT.
I don’t mean to sound like salty “Oregon has a better rated class so I’m gonna just doog and say all their guys suck” cuz I love a lot of their guys. But they seem to be just behind outside of that top 4 KT, Mase, Jonah, and Wright. Everything else was a little underwhelming for me film wise if we’re really talking about a top 5 class but I wish you guys all the free pub in the world for it. Now don’t be USC and get all those guys and then not develop them.... spoiler alert that’s kinda why I feel so meh about that class.
