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D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
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Additionally since some of you Huskies know very little when Talking about Oregon............
Some of you mentioned safeties. Oregon is not in dire need for safeties:
-We have 3 former 4 star recruits coming back this year Steve Stephens, Brady Breeze and a future star in Jevon Holland, plus Gipson and Picket which played important downs during last season.
Coming in is Trikweze Bridges a 4 star recruit from Alabama. Bridges has 31 career interceptions. -
2019 needs are tailored to what you have coming back on your team in case you couldn't figure out why your returning starters/two deep are relevant.FremontTroll said:
Because filling 2019 needs with the 2019 class should work well.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway. -
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority. -
ClassyDomicillo said:
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
I guess we'll see won't we... -
Welcome back!DJDuck said:Additionally since some of you Huskies know very little when Talking about Oregon............
Some of you mentioned safeties. Oregon is not in dire need for safeties:
-We have 3 former 4 star recruits coming back this year Steve Stephens, Brady Breeze and a future star in Jevon Holland, plus Gipson and Picket which played important downs during last season.
Coming in is Trikweze Bridges a 4 star recruit from Alabama. Bridges has 31 career interceptions. -
Laiatu Latu cancels out Thibadeaux. UW and USC thought Latu was the the better prospect so KT's higher ranking doesn't give Oregon the edge there. Considering UW beat Notre Dame and Oregon for Trice and Ma'ae wasn't really heavily recruited by anybody outside of Oregon, I'd give the edge between those two to UW. But Oregon did take more DE's than UW by adding Townsend so I guess you could feel good about that. Probably a wait and see position to find out who got the better guys.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
UW and Oregon are not going after different body types. Kalepo is 6'6 340. Buelow is 6'8 330. Oregon has their two big lineman in this class Tauauaau'u and Malaise-Lauaiaia whatever the fuck his name is. After that, Oregon doesn't have anybody but UW has Fautanu who's 6'4 290 and might be the best lineman we got in this class because he dominated Nolan Smith, the #1 rated player in the country when his team played against IMG. Fautanu likely gets a 4-star bump after the Poly bowl.
RB is not too close to call. Get out of here. Davis was preferred by UW and SC over Dollars. Davis is faster than Dollars with a bigger frame to fill out. From a pure talent stand point you gotta give it to Davis. -
The DT/DE/OLB stuff is interesting as well. Lets pencil Funa in Hollins spot and pencil KT where Jelks is. That’s amazing. But in a system where you only play 2 DT’s for UDUB to get these guys it’s like getting a two deep of KT/Funa.
But my whole point was the depth of Oregon’s class that scares me because Townsend and Ma’ae are back up plans for Latu and Trice. I just feel that way about a lot of Oregon’s class.
Keyon ware and sua’va would be behind Tui, Bandes, and Paama by quite a ways (basing this all off film). ILB they picked up that Mathis kid late and I don’t think funa is going to play inside. I wasn’t saying safety was major for them but if you look at all these guys they aren’t #1/#2 options outside of KT, Jonah, and Wright and kind of Mase due to the injury. -
I see you're starting to come around.LaMichael_Corleone said:The DT/DE/OLB stuff is interesting as well. Lets pencil Funa in Hollins spot and pencil KT where Jelks is. That’s amazing. But in a system where you only play 2 DT’s for UDUB to get these guys it’s like getting a two deep of KT/Funa.
But my whole point was the depth of Oregon’s class that scares me because Townsend and Ma’ae are back up plans for Latu and Trice. I just feel that way about a lot of Oregon’s class.
Keyon ware and sua’va would be behind Tui, Bandes, and Paama by quite a ways (basing this all off film). ILB they picked up that Mathis kid late and I don’t think funa is going to play inside. I wasn’t saying safety was major for them but if you look at all these guys they aren’t #1/#2 options outside of KT, Jonah, and Wright and kind of Mase due to the injury. -
Nah, people who follow recruiting have seen this for about a year now.greenblood said:
ClassyDomicillo said:
Good luck finding a single west coast DT next year who is as good as the top 5 west coast DTs this year.greenblood said:
D-line is split between DT and DE. UW killed it at DT, but Oregon equally killed at DE. I'm not saying equal, but if you factor in the DE position, Oregon isn't getting destroyed.StrongArmCobra said:
Which do you think is more important in recruiting? Signing 5 receivers or signing 5 defensive lineman, 4 of which are elite. Which position has more guys available and is easier to recruit? If you're going to rank classes, 4-star lineman should be weighted more than 4-star skill players because they're harder to recruit and have a greater impact on wins and losses. With that being said, UW's class blows Oregon's class out of the water, mainly because of what UW did recruiting the trenches.DJDuck said:Greenblood is right. I would take the Duck class over the Husky class any day, particularly given needs.
Oregon only loses 3 starters out of the 22. One big loss is Jelks. KT will fill that position nicely. Our WR's underperformed and we killed it in WR recruiting. We lose one linebacker and one cornerback. We did really well with recruiting the DB's and we got a couple of linebackers to add depth to the loss of Apelu who was undersized anyway.
But we can go position by position as well:
QB: Morris is rated higher, outperformed Cale at the Opening, and is deadly accurate and makes faster decisions with a quicker release. Cale has a much bigger frame, is more athletic, and had a more successful Senior season than Morris while playing with better high school talent around him. It's close to being a wash but Morris is a midget so I'll give it to Oregon for now.
RB: Cam Davis has a bigger frame and is faster than Dollars. Dollars was also taking back up reps at his high school at times. Edge: UW
WR: Oregon has signed way more WR's so far. It's not over yet because UW could end up with Ford and/or Nacua. But for now, the edge goes to Oregon.
TE: UW hasn't signed one. Oregon has. Edge: Oregon
O-line: Both signed two big 4-star lineman. Troy Fautanu who's the most athletic offensive lineman either school signed gives UW the edge here.
D-line: Not even close. UW destroyed everybody in the conference. Edge: UW
LB: About even right now, but once Heimuli commits, UW will have the edge here.
DB: Even without Asa Turner signed, UW still signed three 4-star DB's. Wright and McDuffie cancel out. UW edges Oregon because of the safety position and because one of those safeties was flipped from Oregon.
Right now, UW wins 5-3 with the chance to win 6-2 on the final signing day.
At OL I think Oregon and Washington go for different types of lineman. Kind of hard to compare. Id' put that as even.
RB- It's too close to call. I'm going even there as well.
WR for Oregon and DT for Washington were the standout differences.
You also asked if DT recruiting is more important then WR. I would mostly agree that DT especially on the west coast is more important, with this year being a slight exception. Oregon's WR corp was so bad this year, they had to make it a priority this year. You take away Dillon Mitchell, and that group would be a lower level Big Sky unit. Prior staffs completely missed the boat there. Next year however, DT will need to be an Oregon priority.
I guess we'll see won't we...
