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Jordan Peterson: Inequality does not always imply discrimination

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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited November 2018

    Hondo. Struggling. Badly.

    Water. Wet.

    His lack of self awareness is amazing.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    It’s the god damn system!
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183


    And Bob is on the side of "we need to end food stamps and welfare so people will get back to work". That's the hilarious part.

    And what exactly does that have to do with your claim that the "system" makes poor people poorer my stupid little Kunt of a friend? I realize you're in full Hondo Kunt mode now tossing whatever bullshit sounds good to you against the wall hoping something sticks but how exactly does my belief that ending welfare will force more people into the labor market support your claim about the "system" Hondo?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited November 2018
    SFGbob said:



    And Bob is on the side of "we need to end food stamps and welfare so people will get back to work". That's the hilarious part.

    And what exactly does that have to do with your claim that the "system" makes poor people poorer my stupid little Kunt of a friend? I realize you're in full Hondo Kunt mode now tossing whatever bullshit sounds good to you against the wall hoping something sticks but how exactly does my belief that ending welfare will force more people into the labor market support your claim about the "system" Hondo?

    See?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited November 2018
    Yes Hondo, I see that you're a lightweight Kunt who can't argue yourself out of wet paper bag who relies on pathetic responses to cover for the fact that you're a dipshit. I see that you'd chew your own pecker off before answering any of the questions you're asked because you know you can't and if you were to try you'd only further confirm to everyone here what a lightweight little bitch you are.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    2001400ex said:

    In 1,750 posts. You've yet to demonstrate any ability to read for comprehension.

    The old “reading comprehension” retort. Clever. Christ, you’re a stupid mother fucker.

    When will you tell him he’s pressing?
    Right after he posts his "See" Kunt act response.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2018
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    You're right, the fact that you write like a retard is embarrassing. Shocking you dodged like a Kunt the question that was put to you.

    Your response was entirely predictable, no way in hell you'd even defend that dumbfuckery you posted.

    Ok. I'll respond one time. Everyone else here understands except you.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    Does that make sense pookie?
    Say this at your next Socialist party meeting and you'll be thrown out the door for departing from the Marxist Oppression Narrative.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    You're right, the fact that you write like a retard is embarrassing. Shocking you dodged like a Kunt the question that was put to you.

    Your response was entirely predictable, no way in hell you'd even defend that dumbfuckery you posted.

    Ok. I'll respond one time. Everyone else here understands except you.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    Does that make sense pookie?
    Say this at your next Socialist party meeting and you'll be thrown out the door for departing from the Marxist Oppression Narrative.
    I know your narrative is that I'm a socialist. Cause you can't handle the truth.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    You're right, the fact that you write like a retard is embarrassing. Shocking you dodged like a Kunt the question that was put to you.

    Your response was entirely predictable, no way in hell you'd even defend that dumbfuckery you posted.

    Ok. I'll respond one time. Everyone else here understands except you.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    Does that make sense pookie?
    Say this at your next Socialist party meeting and you'll be thrown out the door for departing from the Marxist Oppression Narrative.
    I know your narrative is that I'm a socialist. Cause you can't handle the truth.
    Is turfbuffer pressing? Is he lacking reading comprehension?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    You're right, the fact that you write like a retard is embarrassing. Shocking you dodged like a Kunt the question that was put to you.

    Your response was entirely predictable, no way in hell you'd even defend that dumbfuckery you posted.

    Ok. I'll respond one time. Everyone else here understands except you.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    Does that make sense pookie?
    Say this at your next Socialist party meeting and you'll be thrown out the door for departing from the Marxist Oppression Narrative.
    I know your narrative is that I'm a socialist. Cause you can't handle the truth.
    Is turfbuffer pressing? Is he lacking reading comprehension?
    No. That's you and Bob.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Hondo how does my believe that the elimination of Welfare would force many people back into the labor market = the system makes poor people poorer?

    Explain the Kunt logic Hondo.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Hondo how does my believe that the elimination of Welfare would force many people back into the labor market = the system makes poor people poorer?

    Explain the Kunt logic Hondo.

    You just explained it.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    And there's the Kunt act. The two are unrelated. Welfare doesn't make poor people poorer. And there is no "system" that makes poor people poorer.

    You ran your mouth and now you can't back it up therefore we're treated to an endless string of your bullshit.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    And there's the Kunt act. The two are unrelated. Welfare doesn't make poor people poorer. And there is no "system" that makes poor people poorer.

    You ran your mouth and now you can't back it up therefore we're treated to an endless string of your bullshit.

    But how do you add any substantive discussion.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,764 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    You're right, the fact that you write like a retard is embarrassing. Shocking you dodged like a Kunt the question that was put to you.

    Your response was entirely predictable, no way in hell you'd even defend that dumbfuckery you posted.

    Ok. I'll respond one time. Everyone else here understands except you.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    Does that make sense pookie?
    Say this at your next Socialist party meeting and you'll be thrown out the door for departing from the Marxist Oppression Narrative.
    I know your narrative is that I'm a socialist. Cause you can't handle the truth.
    Straight up kill the upper class and educated commie?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    I'm refuting you bullshit claim about the "system" making poor people poorer, while you're running and hiding like a Kunt from defending that bullshit claim Hondo. I've given plenty of substance in response to your bullshit.
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,886 Founders Club
    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
    Its not a finite system

    And you don't get rich taking non existent money from poor people
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
    But it's not a finite system. If it were our GDP would be no greater today than it was in 1908.

  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    As they should.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    And Bob is on the side of "we need to end food stamps and welfare so people will get back to work". That's the hilarious part.
    Bob's got a point. Go to a grocery store in any poor neighborhood the day after the shoppers get their welfare checks or EBT cards refilled. Watch all the junkfood they pack into their bags, then watch the roll of cash come out to pay for the alcohol and cigarettes.

    I've never been one to rail about the abuse of the welfare system, because I kind of figure those folks are going to cost me one way or another, so simulating a productive life is better, I suppose, than a life of crime or sleeping on the streets. But the entitlement, abuse and waste in the welfare system is as bad today as it's ever been, and it breeds entitlement and dependency.

    Obama fucked up by turning it into a moral high ground problem instead of doing what Bill Clinton and Bush 1 did, which was to frame it and treat it as a financial problem.

    But Obama and HRC wanted those voted secured, so they tabbed losers as moral winners and fed red meat to the class warriors who now cite the number of people on welfare as "poor people." Obama and the left turned a problem into a catastrophe and it's going to take decades to fix.
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
    Its not a finite system

    And you don't get rich taking non existent money from poor people
    Yes the earth has a finite amount of resources. You also don't acquire wealth by dolling out your excess.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Welfare doesn't make poor people poorer, but it does trap a certain percentage of the people on welfare in a life of dependency on the government which is by design.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,886 Founders Club
    It's not a finite system

    You don't get rich taking non existent money from people who don't have it
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
    But it's not a finite system. If it were our GDP would be no greater today than it was in 1908.

    More Money ≠ More Resources
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    As they should.
    The neuroscience model of making money simplifies it to a drug seeking behavior. I guess its a weird thing having addicts drive this thing imo.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Gwad said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
    Its not a finite system

    And you don't get rich taking non existent money from poor people
    Yes the earth has a finite amount of resources. You also don't acquire wealth by dolling out your excess.
    What part of the earth's resources are utilized to create video games? That's an entirely new business that was created in the last 35 years that now generates billions of dollars, it's made numerous people fabulously wealthy and created thousands of high paying jobs that have also made people rich. Who did they steal this money from?
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    It's not a finite system

    You don't get rich taking non existent money from people who don't have it

    Are you deleting my comments? Or is Vanilla erroring out?
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    As they should.
    The neuroscience model of making money simplifies it to a drug seeking behavior. I guess its a weird thing having addicts drive this thing imo.
    Good addiction to have, then. One can do a lot and help a lot of people with lots of money.
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I quoted you word for fucking word Hondo. Don’t blame me because you can’t express yourself clearly. Hell even with your "clarification" you're still spouting gibberish.

    Rich get richer: lobbying system and politicians owned by the wealthy.

    Poor get poorer: food stamps, section 8, Obama/Bush phone. Etc. Keep the poor poor.

    Poor able to get out: pell grants and other opportunities for the poor to get education and other ways they can move up with hard work.


    You claimed the "system" is "setup for the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer." How does an Obama phone keep poor, poor dumbass?

    Dance you stupid fucking Kunt, dance!!!

    Did you miss food stamps and section 8? Or just skip over those?
    I didn't miss anything. You're talking straight out of your ass. There is no "system" that keeps poor people poor or rich people rich.
    While I highly doubt for the most part it is intentionally set up this way. The notion does exist that rich people have more influence in the lay of the laws and for the most part desire to make more money.
    A point not in contention. Does the “system” make poor people poorer, that’s the point in contention.
    Well in a finite system someones more is someones less.
    Its not a finite system

    And you don't get rich taking non existent money from poor people
    Yes the earth has a finite amount of resources. You also don't acquire wealth by dolling out your excess.
    What part of the earth's resources are utilized to create video games? That's an entirely new business that was created in the last 35 years that now generates billions of dollars, it's made numerous people fabulously wealthy and created thousands of high paying jobs that have also made people rich. Who did they steal this money from?
    The fact that you can't see how the GDP is interdependent on the earth's resources is frightening as fuck.