Bleenor once said he didn't count Sark's first three years because he didn't have Wilcox. He was mocked for it. This is kind of similar.
We're going to compete for the PAC 12 title every year under Pete. You get playoff appearances by winning the conference. Some years will be better than others.
You can’t get to the playoffs without winning your conference ...
If we win out at 11-2 losing 2 road games by 8 points that’s far from a terrible year ... particularly if you believe this is as rough as our roster looks going forward
Next year's defense, especially the front 6/7, will be more talented but sorely lacking in experience. Fortunately we have a pretty soft non-conf schedule to get them ready for Pac12 play.
As much as I hate Dennis and Coker, they were right. It took Pete 3 years to figure out what a contending team should look like and right now we're seeing the outcome of that 3 year lag. When walkons are subbing in to goal line packages, you're fucked. This season is essentially the tail end of "Washington 1.0" under Pete, which was never going to go anywhere significant.
I'm willing to see what 2.0 looks like under Pete with classes we all agree are leveled up and, most importantly, a change of leadership at the QB position. Pete's first iteration of a big time program is dying a sad and necessary death. His real coaching job begins next year.
Indeed. We've lost 2 road games, by a total of 8 points, one to a team that had a bye while we were on our 2nd back to back road game, and we only lost that game due to a missed FG.
As much as I hate Dennis and Coker, they were right. It took Pete 3 years to figure out what a contending team should look like and right now we're seeing the outcome of that 3 year lag. When walkons are subbing in to goal line packages, you're fucked. This season is essentially the tail end of "Washington 1.0" under Pete, which was never going to go anywhere significant.
I'm willing to see what 2.0 looks like under Pete with classes we all agree are leveled up and, most importantly, a change of leadership at the QB position. Pete's first iteration of a big time program is dying a sad and necessary death. His real coaching job begins next year.
Indeed. We've lost 2 road games, by a total of 8 points, one to a team that had a bye while we were on our 2nd back to back road game, and we only lost that game due to a missed FG.
We can still win out.
We can go 10-2 and see what happens. I think we'd have at least a 75% chance of winning the conference if we do that. Worst case that should put us in another NY6 bowl.
As much as I hate Dennis and Coker, they were right. It took Pete 3 years to figure out what a contending team should look like and right now we're seeing the outcome of that 3 year lag. When walkons are subbing in to goal line packages, you're fucked. This season is essentially the tail end of "Washington 1.0" under Pete, which was never going to go anywhere significant.
I'm willing to see what 2.0 looks like under Pete with classes we all agree are leveled up and, most importantly, a change of leadership at the QB position. Pete's first iteration of a big time program is dying a sad and necessary death. His real coaching job begins next year.
As much as I hate Dennis and Coker, they were right. It took Pete 3 years to figure out what a contending team should look like and right now we're seeing the outcome of that 3 year lag. When walkons are subbing in to goal line packages, you're fucked. This season is essentially the tail end of "Washington 1.0" under Pete, which was never going to go anywhere significant.
I'm willing to see what 2.0 looks like under Pete with classes we all agree are leveled up and, most importantly, a change of leadership at the QB position. Pete's first iteration of a big time program is dying a sad and necessary death. His real coaching job begins next year.
Indeed. We've lost 2 road games, by a total of 8 points, one to a team that had a bye while we were on our 2nd back to back road game, and we only lost that game due to a missed FG.
We can still win out.
We can go 10-2 and see what happens. I think we'd have at least a 75% chance of winning the conference if we do that. Worst case that should put us in another NY6 bowl.
It’s one thing to think you are doing it right ... then you stand across from Bama and realize that you aren’t good enough
EVERYTHING has changed in recruiting from that moment forward
It could also slightly be due to the fact that Petersen was now recruiting to a conference champ/ play off team rather than a team that hadn't been close to relevant in 15 years.
Why do you have to ruin the narrative?
There’s something to be said to that but you can see it in certain positions ... we are recruiting bigger WRs and less Chico-sized guys ... you can see it with the general size of our LBs
I agree with you but this is clearly a case of whynotboth.gif
Right now Oregon is destroying it in recruiting. I don't love all their players, but they are getting guys they want and they have a top 10 class.
They aren't recruiting to champs.
FUCKING RECRUIT. NO EXCUSES. JFC.
I just don't understand why this bored cannot understand recruiting.
GET FUCKING GOOD ATHLETES THE END. It helps to have advantages, but we have ALWAYS had enough advantages.
It's just our fucking bullshit culture that allows us to finish 25th in recruiting even though EVERY FUCKING YEAR we should be top 15.
In 2016 we finished 4th in the country and TWENTY FUCKING SECOND in recruiting (2017 year).
WHAT THE FUCK GIVES?? Where did Oregon finish last year?
You fuckheads are already making excuses in your mind 'oh, Oregon has XYZ, we do it a different way' - BLAH BLAH fuck you go to dawgman.
IF WE ARE NOT TOP TEN IN RECRUITING FIRE THE COACHES THAT ARE RECRUITING LIKE SHIT.
It's really just that simple.
What advantages does A&M have (they are 2nd currently)?? Being in Texas? Oh - it turns out other people recruit Texas. A&M has been 20th OFTEN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
Why are they doing well now??
BECAUSE JIMBO IS FROM SABAN AND THEY CARE ABOUT RECRUITING.
Right now we are hovering around where...
Mississippi State, Florida, NC State and Stanford are.
Does ANYONE here think Florida doesn't have advantages over us? Does anyone here think that the reason FLA and MSST and NC State are all just where they are based on structural factors you fucking morons?!?!?
FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO.
IT'S THE FUCKING COACHES. IT IS SALES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
RECRUIT OR FUCKING DIE.
We have the coach.
Every idiot here kept saying that it was all the head coach and the assistants didn't matter. I *primarily* agree with that. He sets the culture. The players get better. Fine.
Now that we have the right head coach... RECRUIT. FUCKING RECRUIT. NO FUCKING EXCUSES FUCKING RECRUIT.
I'm so sick of this shit I'm losing my mind.
FUCKING RECRUIT. EVERY YEAR. EVERY POSITION. NO EXCUSES.
Also: MANAGE THE ROSTER NUMBERS SO WE DON'T SIGN AS MANY FUCKING WRs AS WE DO OLs.
It’s one thing to think you are doing it right ... then you stand across from Bama and realize that you aren’t good enough
EVERYTHING has changed in recruiting from that moment forward
It could also slightly be due to the fact that Petersen was now recruiting to a conference champ/ play off team rather than a team that hadn't been close to relevant in 15 years.
Why do you have to ruin the narrative?
There’s something to be said to that but you can see it in certain positions ... we are recruiting bigger WRs and less Chico-sized guys ... you can see it with the general size of our LBs
I agree with you but this is clearly a case of whynotboth.gif
FUCKING RECRUIT. NO EXCUSES. JFC
GET FUCKING GOOD ATHLETES THE END.
It's just our fucking bullshit culture that allows us to finish 25th in recruiting
IF WE ARE NOT TOP TEN IN RECRUITING FIRE THE COACHES THAT ARE RECRUITING LIKE SHIT.
It’s one thing to think you are doing it right ... then you stand across from Bama and realize that you aren’t good enough
EVERYTHING has changed in recruiting from that moment forward
It could also slightly be due to the fact that Petersen was now recruiting to a conference champ/ play off team rather than a team that hadn't been close to relevant in 15 years.
Why do you have to ruin the narrative?
There’s something to be said to that but you can see it in certain positions ... we are recruiting bigger WRs and less Chico-sized guys ... you can see it with the general size of our LBs
I agree with you but this is clearly a case of whynotboth.gif
Right now Oregon is destroying it in recruiting. I don't love all their players, but they are getting guys they want and they have a top 10 class.
They aren't recruiting to champs.
FUCKING RECRUIT. NO EXCUSES. JFC.
I just don't understand why this bored cannot understand recruiting.
GET FUCKING GOOD ATHLETES THE END. It helps to have advantages, but we have ALWAYS had enough advantages.
It's just our fucking bullshit culture that allows us to finish 25th in recruiting even though EVERY FUCKING YEAR we should be top 15.
In 2016 we finished 4th in the country and TWENTY FUCKING SECOND in recruiting (2017 year).
WHAT THE FUCK GIVES?? Where did Oregon finish last year?
You fuckheads are already making excuses in your mind 'oh, Oregon has XYZ, we do it a different way' - BLAH BLAH fuck you go to dawgman.
IF WE ARE NOT TOP TEN IN RECRUITING FIRE THE COACHES THAT ARE RECRUITING LIKE SHIT.
It's really just that simple.
What advantages does A&M have (they are 2nd currently)?? Being in Texas? Oh - it turns out other people recruit Texas. A&M has been 20th OFTEN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
Why are they doing well now??
BECAUSE JIMBO IS FROM SABAN AND THEY CARE ABOUT RECRUITING.
Right now we are hovering around where...
Mississippi State, Florida, NC State and Stanford are.
Does ANYONE here think Florida doesn't have advantages over us? Does anyone here think that the reason FLA and MSST and NC State are all just where they are based on structural factors you fucking morons?!?!?
FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO.
IT'S THE FUCKING COACHES. IT IS SALES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
RECRUIT OR FUCKING DIE.
We have the coach.
Every idiot here kept saying that it was all the head coach and the assistants didn't matter. I *primarily* agree with that. He sets the culture. The players get better. Fine.
Now that we have the right head coach... RECRUIT. FUCKING RECRUIT. NO FUCKING EXCUSES FUCKING RECRUIT.
I'm so sick of this shit I'm losing my mind.
FUCKING RECRUIT. EVERY YEAR. EVERY POSITION. NO EXCUSES.
Also: MANAGE THE ROSTER NUMBERS SO WE DON'T SIGN AS MANY FUCKING WRs AS WE DO OLs.
CHRIST I'M GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
FUCKING RECRUIT.
We get it, recruiting is fucking us. Also Pete owes all his success to sark recruits caz those fuckers took him to the playoffs. His recruits getting their shit pushed in by the orengons and Auburns of the world, and they not world beaters
It’s one thing to think you are doing it right ... then you stand across from Bama and realize that you aren’t good enough
EVERYTHING has changed in recruiting from that moment forward
It could also slightly be due to the fact that Petersen was now recruiting to a conference champ/ play off team rather than a team that hadn't been close to relevant in 15 years.
Why do you have to ruin the narrative?
There’s something to be said to that but you can see it in certain positions ... we are recruiting bigger WRs and less Chico-sized guys ... you can see it with the general size of our LBs
I agree with you but this is clearly a case of whynotboth.gif
Right now Oregon is destroying it in recruiting. I don't love all their players, but they are getting guys they want and they have a top 10 class.
They aren't recruiting to champs.
FUCKING RECRUIT. NO EXCUSES. JFC.
I just don't understand why this bored cannot understand recruiting.
GET FUCKING GOOD ATHLETES THE END. It helps to have advantages, but we have ALWAYS had enough advantages.
It's just our fucking bullshit culture that allows us to finish 25th in recruiting even though EVERY FUCKING YEAR we should be top 15.
In 2016 we finished 4th in the country and TWENTY FUCKING SECOND in recruiting (2017 year).
WHAT THE FUCK GIVES?? Where did Oregon finish last year?
You fuckheads are already making excuses in your mind 'oh, Oregon has XYZ, we do it a different way' - BLAH BLAH fuck you go to dawgman.
IF WE ARE NOT TOP TEN IN RECRUITING FIRE THE COACHES THAT ARE RECRUITING LIKE SHIT.
It's really just that simple.
What advantages does A&M have (they are 2nd currently)?? Being in Texas? Oh - it turns out other people recruit Texas. A&M has been 20th OFTEN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
Why are they doing well now??
BECAUSE JIMBO IS FROM SABAN AND THEY CARE ABOUT RECRUITING.
Right now we are hovering around where...
Mississippi State, Florida, NC State and Stanford are.
Does ANYONE here think Florida doesn't have advantages over us? Does anyone here think that the reason FLA and MSST and NC State are all just where they are based on structural factors you fucking morons?!?!?
FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO.
IT'S THE FUCKING COACHES. IT IS SALES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
RECRUIT OR FUCKING DIE.
We have the coach.
Every idiot here kept saying that it was all the head coach and the assistants didn't matter. I *primarily* agree with that. He sets the culture. The players get better. Fine.
Now that we have the right head coach... RECRUIT. FUCKING RECRUIT. NO FUCKING EXCUSES FUCKING RECRUIT.
I'm so sick of this shit I'm losing my mind.
FUCKING RECRUIT. EVERY YEAR. EVERY POSITION. NO EXCUSES.
Also: MANAGE THE ROSTER NUMBERS SO WE DON'T SIGN AS MANY FUCKING WRs AS WE DO OLs.
CHRIST I'M GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
FUCKING RECRUIT.
You say we should be top 15 in recruiting but then say to fire coaches if we're not top 10. Which is it? I ask because I want to know what is the acceptable standard. Obviously being top 10 is better but top 15 enough?
It’s one thing to think you are doing it right ... then you stand across from Bama and realize that you aren’t good enough
EVERYTHING has changed in recruiting from that moment forward
It could also slightly be due to the fact that Petersen was now recruiting to a conference champ/ play off team rather than a team that hadn't been close to relevant in 15 years.
Why do you have to ruin the narrative?
There’s something to be said to that but you can see it in certain positions ... we are recruiting bigger WRs and less Chico-sized guys ... you can see it with the general size of our LBs
I agree with you but this is clearly a case of whynotboth.gif
Right now Oregon is destroying it in recruiting. I don't love all their players, but they are getting guys they want and they have a top 10 class.
They aren't recruiting to champs.
FUCKING RECRUIT. NO EXCUSES. JFC.
I just don't understand why this bored cannot understand recruiting.
GET FUCKING GOOD ATHLETES THE END. It helps to have advantages, but we have ALWAYS had enough advantages.
It's just our fucking bullshit culture that allows us to finish 25th in recruiting even though EVERY FUCKING YEAR we should be top 15.
In 2016 we finished 4th in the country and TWENTY FUCKING SECOND in recruiting (2017 year).
WHAT THE FUCK GIVES?? Where did Oregon finish last year?
You fuckheads are already making excuses in your mind 'oh, Oregon has XYZ, we do it a different way' - BLAH BLAH fuck you go to dawgman.
IF WE ARE NOT TOP TEN IN RECRUITING FIRE THE COACHES THAT ARE RECRUITING LIKE SHIT.
It's really just that simple.
What advantages does A&M have (they are 2nd currently)?? Being in Texas? Oh - it turns out other people recruit Texas. A&M has been 20th OFTEN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
Why are they doing well now??
BECAUSE JIMBO IS FROM SABAN AND THEY CARE ABOUT RECRUITING.
Right now we are hovering around where...
Mississippi State, Florida, NC State and Stanford are.
Does ANYONE here think Florida doesn't have advantages over us? Does anyone here think that the reason FLA and MSST and NC State are all just where they are based on structural factors you fucking morons?!?!?
FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO.
IT'S THE FUCKING COACHES. IT IS SALES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
RECRUIT OR FUCKING DIE.
We have the coach.
Every idiot here kept saying that it was all the head coach and the assistants didn't matter. I *primarily* agree with that. He sets the culture. The players get better. Fine.
Now that we have the right head coach... RECRUIT. FUCKING RECRUIT. NO FUCKING EXCUSES FUCKING RECRUIT.
I'm so sick of this shit I'm losing my mind.
FUCKING RECRUIT. EVERY YEAR. EVERY POSITION. NO EXCUSES.
Also: MANAGE THE ROSTER NUMBERS SO WE DON'T SIGN AS MANY FUCKING WRs AS WE DO OLs.
CHRIST I'M GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
FUCKING RECRUIT.
Oregon don't care about character. They don't care about grades. They don't care if a kid is actually passionate about football. They don't care about work ethic. All Oregon cares about is star rankings. Good luck with that shit show WhOregon.
You know why Mark Helfrich isn't Oregon's coach? It's not just because his soy boy personality made his guys not care. It's not because he was a fucking moron that couldn't find a defensive coordinator he wasn't already friends with. It's because he thought he and his staff were so fucking smart that they didn't need to stoop to the level of kissing HS boy ass.
Steve Greatwood, John Neal, Don Pellum, Lubick, etc were really good position coaches. But they stopped giving a fuck. John Neal got pissed that Pellum was promoted and spent the next two years playing golf while on occasion talking to a recruit. A 4-star CB flipped to warm the bench at Bama because he was butthurt about being ignored. Another 4-star CB that year went to warm Bama's bench because his family felt that it was a better family atmosphere.
You know how John Neal got Ugo Amadi, Oregon's best DB? Amadi was de-committing from LSU right before NSD and asked his coach for the number of some other SEC DC. The coach fucked up and gave him John Neal's number.
Brady Hoke didn't know how to use technology that was invented since he last saw his dick. Forget Twitter, it was amazing he could send an e-mail.
I hate Willie Taggart's shitty motivational quotes, but he did say something about how recruiting is like brushing your teeth. If you forget once or twice it's not the end of the world, but if you completely stop you look like you're from Springfield, Oregon.
Why is Oregon doing so good now? Because Cristoballz knows you need a mix of good position coaches combined with guys who may be shit coaches but can recruit. Does anyone think Donte Williams is a great CB coach? Doesn't fucking matter, kids love that guy. He'll work the phones like Hugh Freeze on his way to Tampa.
Is Cort Dennison a great LB coach? I have no fucking clue, but he got a 4-star LB he's been working on for years and just got a visit from a 4-star 6'4" 260 DE out of Miami that probably didn't even know where Oregon is on a map. If Dennison is good at developing them that's a bonus, but it's much more likely that you'll be able to develop guys with natural ability.
What else is Oregon doing? Look at the Oregon staff. It's twice the size of what it was two years ago. There are five analysts, four S&C coaches, and SEVEN PEOPLE who have some variant of recruiting in their title. That's not including all the "relations" people and the couple of guys that do digital media and social media.
It's sales. No coaching staff in CFB is too good for it. Saban, Swinney, Fisher, Lincoln Riley, Kirby Smart, Urban, they all do it.
Washington should have top-15ish classes every year with a top-10 class once or twice a decade. It's a fine school, with a beautiful stadium, in a big city that produces talent, and with a great coach. There's no excuse. But forget about the playoff with top-25 classes, that's 2-3 loss territory every year unless you get lucky.
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Chizik is no genius. He wouldn't do shit at Washington.
We can still win out.
They aren't recruiting to champs.
FUCKING RECRUIT. NO EXCUSES. JFC.
I just don't understand why this bored cannot understand recruiting.
GET FUCKING GOOD ATHLETES THE END. It helps to have advantages, but we have ALWAYS had enough advantages.
It's just our fucking bullshit culture that allows us to finish 25th in recruiting even though EVERY FUCKING YEAR we should be top 15.
In 2016 we finished 4th in the country and TWENTY FUCKING SECOND in recruiting (2017 year).
WHAT THE FUCK GIVES?? Where did Oregon finish last year?
You fuckheads are already making excuses in your mind 'oh, Oregon has XYZ, we do it a different way' - BLAH BLAH fuck you go to dawgman.
IF WE ARE NOT TOP TEN IN RECRUITING FIRE THE COACHES THAT ARE RECRUITING LIKE SHIT.
It's really just that simple.
What advantages does A&M have (they are 2nd currently)?? Being in Texas? Oh - it turns out other people recruit Texas. A&M has been 20th OFTEN YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
Why are they doing well now??
BECAUSE JIMBO IS FROM SABAN AND THEY CARE ABOUT RECRUITING.
Right now we are hovering around where...
Mississippi State, Florida, NC State and Stanford are.
Does ANYONE here think Florida doesn't have advantages over us? Does anyone here think that the reason FLA and MSST and NC State are all just where they are based on structural factors you fucking morons?!?!?
FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO. FUCKING NO.
IT'S THE FUCKING COACHES. IT IS SALES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
RECRUIT OR FUCKING DIE.
We have the coach.
Every idiot here kept saying that it was all the head coach and the assistants didn't matter. I *primarily* agree with that. He sets the culture. The players get better. Fine.
Now that we have the right head coach... RECRUIT. FUCKING RECRUIT. NO FUCKING EXCUSES FUCKING RECRUIT.
I'm so sick of this shit I'm losing my mind.
FUCKING RECRUIT. EVERY YEAR. EVERY POSITION. NO EXCUSES.
Also: MANAGE THE ROSTER NUMBERS SO WE DON'T SIGN AS MANY FUCKING WRs AS WE DO OLs.
CHRIST I'M GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
FUCKING RECRUIT.
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Steve Greatwood, John Neal, Don Pellum, Lubick, etc were really good position coaches. But they stopped giving a fuck. John Neal got pissed that Pellum was promoted and spent the next two years playing golf while on occasion talking to a recruit. A 4-star CB flipped to warm the bench at Bama because he was butthurt about being ignored. Another 4-star CB that year went to warm Bama's bench because his family felt that it was a better family atmosphere.
You know how John Neal got Ugo Amadi, Oregon's best DB? Amadi was de-committing from LSU right before NSD and asked his coach for the number of some other SEC DC. The coach fucked up and gave him John Neal's number.
Brady Hoke didn't know how to use technology that was invented since he last saw his dick. Forget Twitter, it was amazing he could send an e-mail.
I hate Willie Taggart's shitty motivational quotes, but he did say something about how recruiting is like brushing your teeth. If you forget once or twice it's not the end of the world, but if you completely stop you look like you're from Springfield, Oregon.
Why is Oregon doing so good now? Because Cristoballz knows you need a mix of good position coaches combined with guys who may be shit coaches but can recruit. Does anyone think Donte Williams is a great CB coach? Doesn't fucking matter, kids love that guy. He'll work the phones like Hugh Freeze on his way to Tampa.
Is Cort Dennison a great LB coach? I have no fucking clue, but he got a 4-star LB he's been working on for years and just got a visit from a 4-star 6'4" 260 DE out of Miami that probably didn't even know where Oregon is on a map. If Dennison is good at developing them that's a bonus, but it's much more likely that you'll be able to develop guys with natural ability.
What else is Oregon doing? Look at the Oregon staff. It's twice the size of what it was two years ago. There are five analysts, four S&C coaches, and SEVEN PEOPLE who have some variant of recruiting in their title. That's not including all the "relations" people and the couple of guys that do digital media and social media.
It's sales. No coaching staff in CFB is too good for it. Saban, Swinney, Fisher, Lincoln Riley, Kirby Smart, Urban, they all do it.
Washington should have top-15ish classes every year with a top-10 class once or twice a decade. It's a fine school, with a beautiful stadium, in a big city that produces talent, and with a great coach. There's no excuse. But forget about the playoff with top-25 classes, that's 2-3 loss territory every year unless you get lucky.