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If you think that someone who wants cut our Federal Government back to its size and role prior to the 1930s with the exception of the DOD is aCirrhosisDawg said:I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,
But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.
No, I understand that you're a lightweight that argues like a Kunt. Tell me what I said that allowed you to come up with that conclusion dumbass? You and your pal don't really address anything I said. You just have these prepackaged canned responses that you toss out there no matter what the other person says. For anyone to call me a "Big Government Conservative" based upon anything I've said here on this board is a fucking joke and just further reveals that neither of you frauds are really interested in a real discussion here.2001400ex said:
He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.CirrhosisDawg said:I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,
But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree. -
Sounds like you should PM @IrishDawg22SFGbob said:
If you think that someone who wants cut our Federal Government back to its size and role prior to the 1930s with the exception of the DOD is aCirrhosisDawg said:I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,
But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.
No, I understand that you're a lightweight that argues like a Kunt. Tell me what I said that allowed you to come up with that conclusion dumbass? You and your pal don't really address anything I said. You just have these prepackaged canned responses that you toss out there no matter what the other person says. For anyone to call me a "Big Government Conservative" based upon anything I've said here on this board is a fucking joke and just further reveals that neither of you frauds are really interested in a real discussion here.2001400ex said:
He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.CirrhosisDawg said:I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,
But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree. -
Sound like that's one of your favorite dodges after you've talked out your ass.2001400ex said:
Sounds like you should PM @IrishDawg22SFGbob said:
If you think that someone who wants cut our Federal Government back to its size and role prior to the 1930s with the exception of the DOD is aCirrhosisDawg said:I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,
But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.
No, I understand that you're a lightweight that argues like a Kunt. Tell me what I said that allowed you to come up with that conclusion dumbass? You and your pal don't really address anything I said. You just have these prepackaged canned responses that you toss out there no matter what the other person says. For anyone to call me a "Big Government Conservative" based upon anything I've said here on this board is a fucking joke and just further reveals that neither of you frauds are really interested in a real discussion here.2001400ex said:
He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.CirrhosisDawg said:I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,
But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree. -
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government? -
We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government? -
Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?SFGbob said:
We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government? -
There is waste in any large bureaucracy, the question is who has greater incentive to reduce the waste? A private, for profit business or the Federal Government?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
You're advocating for government run healthcare but don't want VA healthcare. And I'm the dumbfuck?2001400ex said:
Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?SFGbob said:
We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government? -
Yes. You are the dumbfuck. No one is saying VA for all.SFGbob said:
There is waste in any large bureaucracy, the question is who has greater incentive to reduce the waste? A private, for profit business or the Federal Government?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
You're advocating for government run healthcare but don't want VA healthcare. And I'm the dumbfuck?2001400ex said:
Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?SFGbob said:
We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government? -
The VA is the best example of Government run Healthcare that we have. And the quality and timeliness of delivering that care is about a 3 on a 10 scale.2001400ex said:
Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?SFGbob said:
We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government? -
What is Medicare?salemcoog said:
The VA is the best example of Government run Healthcare that we have. And the quality and timeliness of delivering that care is about a 3 on a 10 scale.2001400ex said:
Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?SFGbob said:
We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?2001400ex said:
You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.
The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
