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I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
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There’s plenty of beach houses funded by the feds.SFGbob said:
We can “afford” all kinds of things, I think I should have a house at the beach. Should the Federal government pay for it?Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Rainier Beach. -
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down. -
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down. -
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down. -
Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.
We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military. -
Wut?SFGbob said:
Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.
We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States." -
Agree 100% The only moral and legitimate authority of the federal government is mutual defense (and a common currency that supports that effort.)SFGbob said:
Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.
We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
As for the remaining bureaucratic and useless edifice of the federal government: it should be abolished immediately.
Departments of education, energy, environment, state, homeland security? All egregious infringements on liberty, states rights and the Constitution.
Under the Constitution, power resides with the people and the states.
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The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.
We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else. -
You are a standard big government “conservative.” I’m sure you support fiscal responsibility too.SFGbob said:
The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."2001400ex said:
Wut?SFGbob said:
Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.2001400ex said:
I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFSMosster47 said:
Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.Mosster47 said:
Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.SFGbob said:
Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?Mosster47 said:It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.
Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.
We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
