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    BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 4,947
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.

    If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.

    We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
    Wut?

    GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
    The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."

    Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
    You are a standard big government “conservative.” I’m sure you support fiscal responsibility too.

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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.

    If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.

    We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
    Wut?

    GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
    The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."

    Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
    You are a standard big government “conservative.” I’m sure you support fiscal responsibility too.
    How the hell am I a big government Conservative? Make me king and I'd chop Federal spending in half and eliminate the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, and then I'd break for lunch. I want a Federal Government that looks like what we had prior to the 1930s. The only Federal department that I would want to be big and robust with be the DOD. I'd eliminate entirely all Federal welfare programs.
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    CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.

    If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.

    We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
    Wut?

    GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
    The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."

    Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
    You are a standard big government “conservative.” I’m sure you support fiscal responsibility too.
    How the hell am I a big government Conservative? Make me king and I'd chop Federal spending in half and eliminate the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, and then I'd break for lunch. I want a Federal Government that looks like what we had prior to the 1930s. The only Federal department that I would want to be big and robust with be the DOD. I'd eliminate entirely all Federal welfare programs.
    Make you king? Yeah, you are are a trump era “conservative.” Explains everything.

    But only welfare programs? Take your fake-work infrastructure and “canal” projects and shove them up your ass. If I don’t vote on it in my state through my legislature, I don’t want it. DC can fuck off with its tax redistribution and bail outs to backwards ass Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the impoverished red states.

    States are sovereign. Federal rule is tyranny. That’s not changed before or after 1930.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.

    If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.

    We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
    Wut?

    GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
    The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."

    Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
    The SCOTUS disagrees with you.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.

    If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.

    We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
    Wut?

    GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
    The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."

    Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
    You are a standard big government “conservative.” I’m sure you support fiscal responsibility too.
    How the hell am I a big government Conservative? Make me king and I'd chop Federal spending in half and eliminate the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, and then I'd break for lunch. I want a Federal Government that looks like what we had prior to the 1930s. The only Federal department that I would want to be big and robust with be the DOD. I'd eliminate entirely all Federal welfare programs.
    Make you king? Yeah, you are are a trump era “conservative.” Explains everything.

    But only welfare programs? Take your fake-work infrastructure and “canal” projects and shove them up your ass. If I don’t vote on it in my state through my legislature, I don’t want it. DC can fuck off with its tax redistribution and bail outs to backwards ass Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the impoverished red states.

    States are sovereign. Federal rule is tyranny. That’s not changed before or after 1930.
    I wasn’t aware the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, Labor and EPA we’re welfare programs or are you intentionally ignoring what I actually said?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    Great, we shouldn't be spending anything on Food Stamps. National Defense is actually an area what the Federal Government has the Constitutional authority to provide for. Food Stamps not so fucking much.

    If you want to talk about waste and inefficient spending in the defense budget that you'd like to cut I'm all ears but if you're crying about not spending as much on grandma's hip replacement and Food stamps as we do with National Defense fuck ya.

    We didn't create a Federal Government and give it the power it has over us in order protect us for the certainties of life. You will get old, you will get sick and you will die. Pay for your own fucking healthcare and retirement and right now that is fast what our Federal Government is turning into, and retirement and health insurance program with a military.
    Wut?

    GENERAL WELFARE CLAUSE. Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
    The "General Welfare" was seen as building roads and canals not paying for people health care. Or do you think "General Welfare" referred to Food Stamps and Section 8 vouchers because they used the word "Welfare."

    Btw, how does paying for grandma's hip replacement provide for the "General" Welfare? Great benefit for grandma, not so much to everyone else.
    You are a standard big government “conservative.” I’m sure you support fiscal responsibility too.
    How the hell am I a big government Conservative? Make me king and I'd chop Federal spending in half and eliminate the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, and then I'd break for lunch. I want a Federal Government that looks like what we had prior to the 1930s. The only Federal department that I would want to be big and robust with be the DOD. I'd eliminate entirely all Federal welfare programs.
    Make you king? Yeah, you are are a trump era “conservative.” Explains everything.

    But only welfare programs? Take your fake-work infrastructure and “canal” projects and shove them up your ass. If I don’t vote on it in my state through my legislature, I don’t want it. DC can fuck off with its tax redistribution and bail outs to backwards ass Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the impoverished red states.

    States are sovereign. Federal rule is tyranny. That’s not changed before or after 1930.
    I wasn’t aware the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy, Labor and EPA we’re welfare programs or are you intentionally ignoring what I actually said?
    Holy shit what he said just flew over your head. I'd reread your post and then his. But I doubt you'll get it still.
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    CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
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    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.
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    oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
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    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    You're an anarchist punk.
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    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
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    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    If you think that someone who wants cut our Federal Government back to its size and role prior to the 1930s with the exception of the DOD is a
    2001400ex said:

    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.
    No, I understand that you're a lightweight that argues like a Kunt. Tell me what I said that allowed you to come up with that conclusion dumbass? You and your pal don't really address anything I said. You just have these prepackaged canned responses that you toss out there no matter what the other person says. For anyone to call me a "Big Government Conservative" based upon anything I've said here on this board is a fucking joke and just further reveals that neither of you frauds are really interested in a real discussion here.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    If you think that someone who wants cut our Federal Government back to its size and role prior to the 1930s with the exception of the DOD is a
    2001400ex said:

    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.
    No, I understand that you're a lightweight that argues like a Kunt. Tell me what I said that allowed you to come up with that conclusion dumbass? You and your pal don't really address anything I said. You just have these prepackaged canned responses that you toss out there no matter what the other person says. For anyone to call me a "Big Government Conservative" based upon anything I've said here on this board is a fucking joke and just further reveals that neither of you frauds are really interested in a real discussion here.
    Sounds like you should PM @IrishDawg22
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    If you think that someone who wants cut our Federal Government back to its size and role prior to the 1930s with the exception of the DOD is a
    2001400ex said:

    I heard you. You sound like a big government “conservative.” Tax and spend recklessly on corporate welfare, and the call yourself fiscally responsible,

    But let me make sure I understand where you stand. Gut and cleanse the entire US government except for defense? Return sovereignty to the states in all other matters? All the departments you mentioned plus homeland security? Literally nothing but defense? If that’s what you are trying to say then we agree.

    He doesn't understand the the conservative states other than Texas rely on the liberal states tax revenues.
    No, I understand that you're a lightweight that argues like a Kunt. Tell me what I said that allowed you to come up with that conclusion dumbass? You and your pal don't really address anything I said. You just have these prepackaged canned responses that you toss out there no matter what the other person says. For anyone to call me a "Big Government Conservative" based upon anything I've said here on this board is a fucking joke and just further reveals that neither of you frauds are really interested in a real discussion here.
    Sounds like you should PM @IrishDawg22
    Sound like that's one of your favorite dodges after you've talked out your ass.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?
    Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    There is waste in any large bureaucracy, the question is who has greater incentive to reduce the waste? A private, for profit business or the Federal Government?
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?
    Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?
    You're advocating for government run healthcare but don't want VA healthcare. And I'm the dumbfuck?
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    There is waste in any large bureaucracy, the question is who has greater incentive to reduce the waste? A private, for profit business or the Federal Government?
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?
    Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?
    You're advocating for government run healthcare but don't want VA healthcare. And I'm the dumbfuck?
    Yes. You are the dumbfuck. No one is saying VA for all.
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?
    Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?
    The VA is the best example of Government run Healthcare that we have. And the quality and timeliness of delivering that care is about a 3 on a 10 scale.
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    salemcoog said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Mosster47 said:

    It's almost like America could have used that extra $65B on something other than defense which is already a couple hundred billion too much.

    Why do you think the Federal government should pay for people’s healthcare?

    Because we can afford it with the grotesque waste in defense.
    I don't agree with Monster much but check the stats on that. We spend double what's needed to ensure reasonable safety.
    Way more than that. This is the area I work in now for the DoD. We have cancelled acquisition contracts that have gotten us absolutely nothing over the last 20 years that would have payed for everyone's health care for 400 years.

    Security, infrastructure, education, and healthcare. The government should handle those four categories and that's about it. When you spend more on defense than the next 25 countries combined either get to taking over the world or stand down.
    Hey shithead, this is what we call a false equivalence. "Oh well, we spend that much on defense, der der" No shit, some of us would like to see the defense budget slashed too. Fucking christ, so government incompetence and waste in one sector justifies them taking over another sector? HondoFS from MoosterFS
    I didn't hear you bitching earlier this year when Trump and Republicans added $80 billion to defense spending for no reason. For perspective. That's more than we spend on food stamps every year.
    I haven't moved. Let me explain it to you. I am willing to cringe and put up with a highly inefficient government run industry in the case of defense bc there are heavy negative externalities to having a private sector military i.e. it's called a military coup

    Further, you still aren't making a valid argument for government run healthcare by pointing out highly inefficient government waste and ineptitude.

    The entire argument for government run healthcare rests on a false belief that it will be more efficient than the private sector at delivering a service. Pointing out how inefficient and wasteful the DOD is is a counter-argument to the entire concept of the government being able to run healthcare more efficiently than the free market.
    You miss several concepts. The primary one being that yes there is waste in government. There is also waste in private businesses. Anyone who has worked for a large business knows this. There is also a profit at insurance companies.

    I'm type this slowly so you can understand. Do your want a for profit business making your health decisions or a wasteful government?
    We already have government run healthcare, it's called the VA. Now would you prefer to go to your choice of a private for profit hospital or would you prefer the VA?
    Medicare for all dumbfuck. Who is talking about VA for all?
    The VA is the best example of Government run Healthcare that we have. And the quality and timeliness of delivering that care is about a 3 on a 10 scale.
    What is Medicare?
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