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NBA Playoff Megathread

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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Posts: 32,829
    Swaye's Wigwam 25000 Comments 250 Answers Fifth Anniversary

    salemcoog said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    What a performance. 29-9-8 against the Indiana Pacers? That's a very average game for LeBron.
    It was in an age that allowed hand checking and knock your ass flat fouls at the rim without too many consequences. There was about half the 3 pt shots being launched as well. If both teams scored over a hundred points in a playoff game, it was an event.

    As opposed to nowadays where you can’t hardly be touched going to the rim without a foul called and if there’s anything resembling hard contact, it’s a flagrant or sometimes ejection. You can’t fairly compare fg effectiveness between the eras. You had to be much stronger with the ball back then and be willing to get the crap knocked out of you if driving to the rack contested.
    Jordan lived at the foul line. Didn't Phoenix shoot like 60 FT's against the Sonics in 93?
    63


    Not that I am still bitter about it or anything
    dncTequilla
  • salemcoog said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    What a performance. 29-9-8 against the Indiana Pacers? That's a very average game for LeBron.
    It was in an age that allowed hand checking and knock your ass flat fouls at the rim without too many consequences. There was about half the 3 pt shots being launched as well. If both teams scored over a hundred points in a playoff game, it was an event.

    As opposed to nowadays where you can’t hardly be touched going to the rim without a foul called and if there’s anything resembling hard contact, it’s a flagrant or sometimes ejection. You can’t fairly compare fg effectiveness between the eras. You had to be much stronger with the ball back then and be willing to get the crap knocked out of you if driving to the rack contested.
    Jordan lived at the foul line. Didn't Phoenix shoot like 60 FT's against the Sonics in 93?
    Yes, the game was rigged for Jordan - Barkley. Not the first or last time the NBA rigs a game.
  • salemcoogsalemcoog Posts: 8,715
    5000 Comments 250 Answers 500 Awesomes 500 Up Votes

    salemcoog said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Here's the deal. Take LeBron off the Cavs and they're a 20 win team.

    Take MJ off the Bulls for allegedly gambling and the Bulls still came within a game of the ECF.

    Jordan had an incredible team around him and the GOAT coach.

    This is all basically true.

    Also true that the Bulls won 13 games after Jordan retired the other time.

    Like I already acknowledged they were a very good team around him, much better than most LeBron has played with.

    They weren't great without him.
    Bull winning 13 (actually 17) the year after his second retirement was due to the entire team being gutted and Phil leaving.
    Of course it was.

    The team wasn't that good anymore anyway though. Pippen was a shell of his former self by that point, which is why he never did shit anywhere else.

    That 98 Bulls team was not a great team. MJ won the ring anyway.
    Hold up because this needs to be talked about in the context of the narrative of crowning LBJ for getting to the Finals this year

    You are absolutely right that Scottie’s back was completely F’ed up during the ‘98 season and Playoffs as he only played 44 regular season games. Rodman was going off the rails at points during the season as he started getting removed from the starting lineup. The youngest players in their rotation were 29 year olds Toni Kukoc, Luc Longley, and the immortal Randy Brown.

    Yet, at the age of 34 MJ dropped 32.4 points per game. In the games that really mattered, in typical MJ fashion, he was at his best. Game 7 against Indiana he put down a 28-9-8 performance and willed his team to victory against arguably a better team at that point. Then in the clinching Game 6 against Utah, there is obviously the final sequence that is immortal ... but lost in all of that is MJ’s 45 points.

    That Bulls team was worse than this Cavs team. Yes, the Warriors are better than that Utah team. But for anybody to act like MJ never overcame a deck stacked against him is just flat out wrong.

    What a performance. 29-9-8 against the Indiana Pacers? That's a very average game for LeBron.
    It was in an age that allowed hand checking and knock your ass flat fouls at the rim without too many consequences. There was about half the 3 pt shots being launched as well. If both teams scored over a hundred points in a playoff game, it was an event.

    As opposed to nowadays where you can’t hardly be touched going to the rim without a foul called and if there’s anything resembling hard contact, it’s a flagrant or sometimes ejection. You can’t fairly compare fg effectiveness between the eras. You had to be much stronger with the ball back then and be willing to get the crap knocked out of you if driving to the rack contested.
    Jordan lived at the foul line. Didn't Phoenix shoot like 60 FT's against the Sonics in 93?
    I wouldn’t doubt that. They called fouls back then too. Those were 2 uptempo teams that were actually successful at the time, when most that did it were lottery teams. Also around that time, there was a pendulum swing in tighter officiating due to the Bad Boys of Detroit. But it was too far and things went back to normal for awhile.
  • dncdnc Posts: 36,688
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    The Pacers one is pretty funny. The Lakers artwork is bomb.
    Gladstone
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