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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,497

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    Hmm. I didn't know that, eh?
    Tell a bad joke, get fined 5 figures. Criticize Islam, get taken before a 'hate speech' tribunal. Use the wrong gender pronoun to describe someone's choice of 50 different genders, get fined or go to prison. Free speech is dead in Canada.
    Dood. A lot of us live near Canada, and as luck would have it, go there a lot, have colleagues who work and live there ... a lot.

    This ain't sellin'. Sorry.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited April 2018

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    Hmm. I didn't know that, eh?
    Tell a bad joke, get fined 5 figures. Criticize Islam, get taken before a 'hate speech' tribunal. Use the wrong gender pronoun to describe someone's choice of 50 different genders, get fined or go to prison. Free speech is dead in Canada.
    Dood. A lot of us live near Canada, and as luck would have it, go there a lot, have colleagues who work and live there ... a lot.

    This ain't sellin'. Sorry.
    True story. Do you need lynx?



  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    You sure about that Clark?

    [I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
    Generally speaking,

    On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.

    Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.

    Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.

    The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
    photo Billy-Madison-1_zpsxhgozdnf.gif
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    You sure about that Clark?

    [I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
    Generally speaking,

    On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.

    Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.

    Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.

    The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
    The “bomb” delivered Paul Ryan’s tax bill and Mitch McConnell’s Supreme Court nominee. Jeb Bush would have accomplished the same.

    His populist-nationalist legislative agenda went nowhere. No Obamacare repeal. No border wall. No trade reform legislation. No infrastructure program. All of his executive orders will be struck by the next president. Nothing you “street smart” people thought you were getting was delivered; You were conned. The white trash agenda is dead. Maybe elect a better candidate next time you self described fools lash out.

    That being said, I am 81% sure obk is either boobs, Harvey Road, or Damone.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    You sure about that Clark?

    [I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
    Generally speaking,

    On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.

    Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.

    Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.

    The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
    The “bomb” delivered Paul Ryan’s tax bill and Mitch McConnell’s Supreme Court nominee. Jeb Bush would have accomplished the same.

    His populist-nationalist legislative agenda went nowhere. No Obamacare repeal. No border wall. No trade reform legislation. No infrastructure program. All of his executive orders will be struck by the next president. Nothing you “street smart” people thought you were getting was delivered; You were conned. The white trash agenda is dead. Maybe elect a better candidate next time you self described fools lash out.

    That being said, I am 81% sure obk is either boobs, Harvey Road, or Damone.
    OBK has been further off the deep end. I'd bet Boobs bought the OBK account and has played the troll role. Congrats for a job well done.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,019

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    Hmm. I didn't know that, eh?
    Tell a bad joke, get fined 5 figures. Criticize Islam, get taken before a 'hate speech' tribunal. Use the wrong gender pronoun to describe someone's choice of 50 different genders, get fined or go to prison. Free speech is dead in Canada.
    Dood. A lot of us live near Canada, and as luck would have it, go there a lot, have colleagues who work and live there ... a lot.

    This ain't sellin'. Sorry.
    True story. Do you need lynx?



    that is one bad ass cat.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,215 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2018
    Emailing
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    Benghazi and emails and uranium one say hello.
    Emailing classified information outside of secure government servers is illegal. Oh and having them pop up on Anthony Wieners lap top isn't good either. It's the cover up that's wrong.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,215 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?

    Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.

    Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.

    The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.

    Anything else?
    Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.
  • insinceredawginsinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    edited April 2018
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?

    Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.

    Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.

    The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.

    Anything else?
    Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.
    Oh really? Ken Starr says hi.

    And it's special counSEL you dumbfuck.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?

    Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.

    Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.

    The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.

    Anything else?
    Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.
    Oh really? Ken Starr says hi.

    And it's special counSEL you dumbfuck.
    But but but his cell phone.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,511 Founders Club

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    You sure about that Clark?

    [I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
    Generally speaking,

    On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.

    Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.

    Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.

    The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
    YBFE
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,497
    Swaye said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?

    Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.

    Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.

    The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.

    Anything else?
    Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.
    So, not rhetorical. Ok, got it. Your categorical legal conclusion that "collusion is not a crime or a chargeable offense" threw me for a minute.

    There are a few sayings among those whose pretend law practices involve federal regulation and agency:

    Don't lie to the feds, ever; they are unmerciful and will make an example of you, white or blue collar alike. They don't care.

    Don't allow people who are not tediously careful to work on your shit that gets filed with a federal agency. The issue isn't the mistake in the filing; the issue is in the resulting proctology exam (audit) and the other shit they will most assuredly find after hanging around with you for two years and making your life a living hell.

    Don't do deals with people who you know or suspect do shit you wouldn't do yourself. There is no safety in "he did it, not me." That's where that nasty little word "collusion" starts getting thrown around. When you hear it, you should start shitting yourself.

    Lastly, don't ever, ever, ever do shit that limits competition in any way. Don't make agreements, written or verbal, or even discuss anything that could even be in the zip code of price fixing, allocation of market share or bid rigging. Someone whose on the outside of your arrangements will eventually notice, they'll be pissed and complain, and you're fucked. Thankfully, the one thing the federal government continues to take seriously is the sanctity of competitive forces in our economy. Don't fuck with it yourself, or "collude" with others to do the same.

    Free pretend legal advice for the day.

    Creep
    The next time I'm arrested I'm calling you.
    Done. But if I'm in the cell with you, my services will be somewhat ineffective. Just a heads up.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    You sure about that Clark?

    [I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
    Generally speaking,

    On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.

    Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.

    Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.

    The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
    YBE
    I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:

    - It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.

    - Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.

    - One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.

    - Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.

    - I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.

    - A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.

    So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump.
    This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.
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