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Emailing classified information outside of secure government servers is illegal. Oh and having them pop up on Anthony Wieners lap top isn't good either. It's the cover up that's wrong.2001400ex said:
Benghazi and emails and uranium one say hello.Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid. -
Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.creepycoug said:
I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.
Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.
The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.
Anything else? -
So, not rhetorical. Ok, got it. Your categorical legal conclusion that "collusion is not a crime or a chargeable offense" threw me for a minute.Sledog said:
Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.creepycoug said:
I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.
Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.
The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.
Anything else?
There are a few sayings among those whose pretend law practices involve federal regulation and agency:
Don't lie to the feds, ever; they are unmerciful and will make an example of you, white or blue collar alike. They don't care.
Don't allow people who are not tediously careful to work on your shit that gets filed with a federal agency. The issue isn't the mistake in the filing; the issue is in the resulting proctology exam (audit) and the other shit they will most assuredly find after hanging around with you for two years and making your life a living hell.
Don't do deals with people who you know or suspect do shit you wouldn't do yourself. There is no safety in "he did it, not me." That's where that nasty little word "collusion" starts getting thrown around. When you hear it, you should start shitting yourself.
Lastly, don't ever, ever, ever do shit that limits competition in any way. Don't make agreements, written or verbal, or even discuss anything that could even be in the zip code of price fixing, allocation of market share or bid rigging. Someone whose on the outside of your arrangements will eventually notice, they'll be pissed and complain, and you're fucked. Thankfully, the one thing the federal government continues to take seriously is the sanctity of competitive forces in our economy. Don't fuck with it yourself, or "collude" with others to do the same.
Free pretend legal advice for the day.
Creep -
Oh really? Ken Starr says hi.Sledog said:
Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.creepycoug said:
I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.
Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.
The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.
Anything else?
And it's special counSEL you dumbfuck. -
But but but his cell phone.insinceredawg said:
Oh really? Ken Starr says hi.Sledog said:
Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.creepycoug said:
I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.
Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.
The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.
Anything else?
And it's special counSEL you dumbfuck. -
YBFEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise. -
The next time I'm arrested I'm calling you.creepycoug said:
So, not rhetorical. Ok, got it. Your categorical legal conclusion that "collusion is not a crime or a chargeable offense" threw me for a minute.Sledog said:
Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.creepycoug said:
I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.
Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.
The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.
Anything else?
There are a few sayings among those whose pretend law practices involve federal regulation and agency:
Don't lie to the feds, ever; they are unmerciful and will make an example of you, white or blue collar alike. They don't care.
Don't allow people who are not tediously careful to work on your shit that gets filed with a federal agency. The issue isn't the mistake in the filing; the issue is in the resulting proctology exam (audit) and the other shit they will most assuredly find after hanging around with you for two years and making your life a living hell.
Don't do deals with people who you know or suspect do shit you wouldn't do yourself. There is no safety in "he did it, not me." That's where that nasty little word "collusion" starts getting thrown around. When you hear it, you should start shitting yourself.
Lastly, don't ever, ever, ever do shit that limits competition in any way. Don't make agreements, written or verbal, or even discuss anything that could even be in the zip code of price fixing, allocation of market share or bid rigging. Someone whose on the outside of your arrangements will eventually notice, they'll be pissed and complain, and you're fucked. Thankfully, the one thing the federal government continues to take seriously is the sanctity of competitive forces in our economy. Don't fuck with it yourself, or "collude" with others to do the same.
Free pretend legal advice for the day.
Creep -
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
Done. But if I'm in the cell with you, my services will be somewhat ineffective. Just a heads up.Swaye said:
The next time I'm arrested I'm calling you.creepycoug said:
So, not rhetorical. Ok, got it. Your categorical legal conclusion that "collusion is not a crime or a chargeable offense" threw me for a minute.Sledog said:
Since you are a high powered law clerk I was looking for your expert opinion on the whole mess. I know how investigations work but special councils are normally focused investigations, not wide ranging no holds barred body cavity searches.creepycoug said:
I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?Sledog said:
Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?creepycoug said:
Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.RaceBannon said:insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/10/rand-paul-fbi-raid-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-was-great-overstep-robert-mueller
Rand Paul has some fans here
EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.
But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.
If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.
Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.
I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.
Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.
The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.
Anything else?
There are a few sayings among those whose pretend law practices involve federal regulation and agency:
Don't lie to the feds, ever; they are unmerciful and will make an example of you, white or blue collar alike. They don't care.
Don't allow people who are not tediously careful to work on your shit that gets filed with a federal agency. The issue isn't the mistake in the filing; the issue is in the resulting proctology exam (audit) and the other shit they will most assuredly find after hanging around with you for two years and making your life a living hell.
Don't do deals with people who you know or suspect do shit you wouldn't do yourself. There is no safety in "he did it, not me." That's where that nasty little word "collusion" starts getting thrown around. When you hear it, you should start shitting yourself.
Lastly, don't ever, ever, ever do shit that limits competition in any way. Don't make agreements, written or verbal, or even discuss anything that could even be in the zip code of price fixing, allocation of market share or bid rigging. Someone whose on the outside of your arrangements will eventually notice, they'll be pissed and complain, and you're fucked. Thankfully, the one thing the federal government continues to take seriously is the sanctity of competitive forces in our economy. Don't fuck with it yourself, or "collude" with others to do the same.
Free pretend legal advice for the day.
Creep -
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
Evergreen League tuff!CirrhosisDawg said:
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
Still the Black Hills League to me bitches!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Evergreen League tuff!CirrhosisDawg said:
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
I see where you're coming from and I see what it might look like from another angle. The guy was half black, so when people criticize him, and when those who criticize him are white, understandably they might interpret that as bigotry or racism. It's an unfortunate coincidence that one of the primary players in the international NWO & supporter of all the authoritarian shit I outlined, also happened to be the first person of color to be a US president. Me personally, I don't give a shit about his skin color. And because I'm confident my arguments don't come from a place of racial bigotry, I don't hold back when verbally assaulting him.creepycoug said:
Still the Black Hills League to me bitches!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Evergreen League tuff!CirrhosisDawg said:
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
Have you lost your cotton picking mind?oregonblitzkrieg said:
I see where you're coming from and I see what it might look like from another angle. The guy was half black, so when people criticize him, and when those who criticize him are white, understandably they might interpret that as bigotry or racism. It's an unfortunate coincidence that one of the primary players in the international NWO & supporter of all the authoritarian shit I outlined, also happened to be the first person of color to be a US president. Me personally, I don't give a shit about his skin color. And because I'm confident my arguments don't come from a place of racial bigotry, I don't hold back when verbally assaulting him.creepycoug said:
Still the Black Hills League to me bitches!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Evergreen League tuff!CirrhosisDawg said:
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
Ok, Honda, that was a lol2001400ex said:
Have you lost your cotton picking mind?oregonblitzkrieg said:
I see where you're coming from and I see what it might look like from another angle. The guy was half black, so when people criticize him, and when those who criticize him are white, understandably they might interpret that as bigotry or racism. It's an unfortunate coincidence that one of the primary players in the international NWO & supporter of all the authoritarian shit I outlined, also happened to be the first person of color to be a US president. Me personally, I don't give a shit about his skin color. And because I'm confident my arguments don't come from a place of racial bigotry, I don't hold back when verbally assaulting him.creepycoug said:
Still the Black Hills League to me bitches!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Evergreen League tuff!CirrhosisDawg said:
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump. -
No question he's a globalist, and globalism vs. nationalism is a discussion for another thread.oregonblitzkrieg said:
I see where you're coming from and I see what it might look like from another angle. The guy was half black, so when people criticize him, and when those who criticize him are white, understandably they might interpret that as bigotry or racism. It's an unfortunate coincidence that one of the primary players in the international NWO & supporter of all the authoritarian shit I outlined, also happened to be the first person of color to be a US president. Me personally, I don't give a shit about his skin color. And because I'm confident my arguments don't come from a place of racial bigotry, I don't hold back when verbally assaulting him.creepycoug said:
Still the Black Hills League to me bitches!GrundleStiltzkin said:
Evergreen League tuff!CirrhosisDawg said:
You grew up in Aberdeen with the creep! Small world. You’ll have lots to talk about.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Great read, for, you know, a s—-CirrhosisDawg said:
This is a great read. One of the best you’ll find on the internet today.creepycoug said:
I don't disagree with much of that, and admire, a little, your passion. But I ask you to consider a few things:RaceBannon said:
YBEoregonblitzkrieg said:
Generally speaking,creepycoug said:
You sure about that Clark?oregonblitzkrieg said:Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.
Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.
[I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
On the spectrum between book smarts and street smarts, Trump & his voters are in the street smarts category. Trump is not an intellectual, but he's a genius of a different sort, and knows how to get things done, you're seeing it every day. While Obama sucked the bully's dick, Trump kicked the bully in the balls, called his bluff and is now receiving the blow job. He solves problems quickly with basic street smarts that book smart clowns like BearsWiin are unable to solve over an entire (alleged) career in government.
Underestimating Trump or his voters is stupid, and originates from the false sense of superiority the left has insulated itself in. Seeing themselves as philopher kings (Obama was a prime example of this extreme hubris), they think they know better than the rest of us, and so think they have the right to force their world view on those who don't share it because "it's their right to." It's not. They have no fucking right to decide what kind of speech is appropriate and what kind of speech should be outlawed. They have no right to open the borders of a sovereign country and flood it with a foreign horde against the will of the natives.
Trump is a beautiful bomb delivered by the American people when the hour is late, designed to eviscerate the abominable experiment in totalitarianism that the western left has created. He says and does things that would get him dragged in front of a 'hate speech' tribunal in countries like Canada. He would be fined and thrown in jail if he were an ordinary Canadian citizen. And he needs more tim to destroy the machinery.
The man who thinks himself wise is a fool. The man who knows he's a fool is wise.
- It is not the exclusive province of the left to look down upon the lower socio-economic class and decide they know better.
- Punitively pushing an an ideological agenda isn't a new thing here. There was no more harsh a witch hunter this side of Salem, Mass than Joe McCarthy, and we're all still here free to be socialists if we want to be. The diversity of opinion is what keeps us honest and healthy. There is no more likelihood of totalitarianism today than there was then.
- One of Trump's advantages is that he's direct and impatient. I don't disagree. He's also willing to be a little ad hoc and reckless, which works sometimes. When it bites him in the ass, you'll have to recognize that part of his M/O as well. I recognize and appreciate his accomplishments thus far, but I'd be careful of running my victory lap too soon. The world is a complicated place and we're often dealing with amazingly duplicitous people. China, in particular, will double cross you and look you right in the eye as they're doing it. Let's see how this plays out over some period of time. I like that he took the fight to them. They've been stealing from us forever.
- Nobody is outlawing speech. As someone here pointed out, the social repercussions of your speech are, however, your own issue. You reap what you sow. Today, if you make bigoted public comments, you're going to be shunned by a lot of people. If that bothers you, I'm sorry - I've no empathy whatsoever. All these years later, I still dislike people who called me "spic" growing up, because fuck them.
- I don't underestimate Trump, at all. But I disagree with your conflation of him and the legions of people in his base. He's nothing like them. So many of them support him only because they feel like he gives them some legitimacy, and because they feel alienated from the intellectual elite on the left. I've seen this. Remember, I'm from Aberdeen. I've read social media posts by kids I know barely graduated from HS and can barely tie their shoes who are proud to mock "snowflake liberals". They don't know why, and they're not at all aware of issues or complexity or anything. It's just culture and they want to be assholes. Which leads me to my next point.
- A lot of what we're dealing with in our country right now is not Trump himself, but rather an issue that traces itself back to culture, and relates in my humble view to the fact that after 2.4 centuries, we finally elected a guy - ONE FUCKING GUY - who comes from the 15% dark chunck of the population, and it bothered a lot of people. I'm related to a bunch of them, so I know this. One single guy in 240 years, and we've been in a cultural shit storm since, and it ain't because he's liberal. We've had liberals before. There is no credibly denying this. Imagine how you'd view that if you were black. Now you have a bunch of lower middle class to lower class white people freaking the fuck out about shit left and right, including immigration, as if we were headed toward armageddon because they were feeling culturally marginalized. It's like discussing the problem of rape, and taking over the conversation by insisting we focus on the problem of men being raped too. It's a disingenuous attempt to shift focus. I agree with Race: if everything is race, then nothing is. But then, sometimes, it is.
So, with all that said Tequilla style, I come to this: I don't disagree with much of your general policy concerns, but I take some issue with what you think some of the "problems" are, and I think you're being somewhat chicken little with where you think we are/were going. The country does well with balance. We're fine. We were fine with Obama, and we're fine under Trump.
And I don't doubt your sincerity about the fact that Obama is (mostly) black not factoring into your views, and I also don't tend to favor or rely on the "you're really racist subconsciously" arguments ... I think for the most part people care or they don't, and for the most part they know one way or the other. My only real contention is that part of my poast is that a decent % of the red hat loving MAGA crowd do care, whether they admit it or not, and in the process of dropping this bomb, we've churned up from the bottom some fringe with which even Bannon doesn't like to associate. Better to leave the heavy metals and other toxic pollutants settled deep in the muck on the bottom of the river. But we've stirred it up in the name of dredging, and now we have to deal with it ... again.
And one of the unfortunate repercussions of that effect is this predictably hard swing to the left we see now. We always tend to do that ... overreact to things we find troubling. Like the guns business. Complete and utter panic. -
Hmmm....creepycoug said:
That's actually a fair question. I'm not privy to the details of what Jack or Jill are learning in this investigation, and of course nobody with nothing better to do than poast here is either. So with that in mind I'm entirely agnostic about the whole thing, as I was with Hillary, who, again, is not my first choice of people with whom I'd like to hang out.Gwad said:
Are you emphasizing that Hillary's lawyer didn't get raided? Who's side are you on?pawz said:HR, YK
All I know is that after a bazillion years of investigation and interrogating and $$ spent, Gowdy didn't deliver me a corpse. She was stupid af with the server business ... that's all I know. Call her negligent. Grossly negligent. If it was criminal negligence, then I guess she should be in jail. She's not. Benghazi was a circus and is the battle cry of the stupid. She may not be my first choice to deal with the next shit sandwich in the Middle East, but jail time would've been ridiculous for that one.
Here, same thing. I have no clue what they guy is looking for really, or what he's found. If a bunch of R's gave the ok to hit T's lawyer's office unannounced out of concern he would destroy evidence, I'll reserve judgment until I hear chirping, at which point I'll question the integrity of everyone involved. At some point, this (Mueller) is like the Trey Gowdy show: do something, or move on. It's been long enough.
But @Gawd's question is a fair one: are Trump's HCH groupies upset that his attorney's office was raided? Or upset that Hillary's wasn't? Is it the raiding that isn't ok with you? Or the lack of it last time around?
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have these days the time it takes to track this thing with any degree of rigor. Fuck, HCH is arguably my primary news source, so it's up to you degenerates. Don't let me down.
It just seems you've devoted an immense amount of time to this as evidenced by the @tequilla esque diatribes on the subject. I'm down with most of your takes. But I would figure someone in your profession should be able to see through what is really goin down here. Mueller has been reduced to shaking down Trump's attorney to try to see if:creepycoug said:
Well, do you expect me to give up my HCH free time? Not on your fucking life.salemcoog said:
Hmmm....creepycoug said:
That's actually a fair question. I'm not privy to the details of what Jack or Jill are learning in this investigation, and of course nobody with nothing better to do than poast here is either. So with that in mind I'm entirely agnostic about the whole thing, as I was with Hillary, who, again, is not my first choice of people with whom I'd like to hang out.Gwad said:
Are you emphasizing that Hillary's lawyer didn't get raided? Who's side are you on?pawz said:HR, YK
All I know is that after a bazillion years of investigation and interrogating and $$ spent, Gowdy didn't deliver me a corpse. She was stupid af with the server business ... that's all I know. Call her negligent. Grossly negligent. If it was criminal negligence, then I guess she should be in jail. She's not. Benghazi was a circus and is the battle cry of the stupid. She may not be my first choice to deal with the next shit sandwich in the Middle East, but jail time would've been ridiculous for that one.
Here, same thing. I have no clue what they guy is looking for really, or what he's found. If a bunch of R's gave the ok to hit T's lawyer's office unannounced out of concern he would destroy evidence, I'll reserve judgment until I hear chirping, at which point I'll question the integrity of everyone involved. At some point, this (Mueller) is like the Trey Gowdy show: do something, or move on. It's been long enough.
But @Gawd's question is a fair one: are Trump's HCH groupies upset that his attorney's office was raided? Or upset that Hillary's wasn't? Is it the raiding that isn't ok with you? Or the lack of it last time around?
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have these days the time it takes to track this thing with any degree of rigor. Fuck, HCH is arguably my primary news source, so it's up to you degenerates. Don't let me down.
Behave yourself. We've been doing so well. Homie.
A- He paid a hooker $130,000 grand to close her 3 hole and
B- Looking for something else in the Access Hollywood interview of 13 years ago.
Like 'ol Rummy back in the day, It appears Mueller's run out of hard targets and is reduced to trying to shake down folks to get testimonies. Which is a sign you don't have anything to indict on. Comey, Mueller and the whole team have been and are still in the bag for the 'Rats. If they weren't they would have either produced indictments by now or closed down their camp. At this point Mueller is @KenStarrdawg. Nothing more nothing less. -
We're still homies then.salemcoog said:
Hmmm....creepycoug said:
That's actually a fair question. I'm not privy to the details of what Jack or Jill are learning in this investigation, and of course nobody with nothing better to do than poast here is either. So with that in mind I'm entirely agnostic about the whole thing, as I was with Hillary, who, again, is not my first choice of people with whom I'd like to hang out.Gwad said:
Are you emphasizing that Hillary's lawyer didn't get raided? Who's side are you on?pawz said:HR, YK
All I know is that after a bazillion years of investigation and interrogating and $$ spent, Gowdy didn't deliver me a corpse. She was stupid af with the server business ... that's all I know. Call her negligent. Grossly negligent. If it was criminal negligence, then I guess she should be in jail. She's not. Benghazi was a circus and is the battle cry of the stupid. She may not be my first choice to deal with the next shit sandwich in the Middle East, but jail time would've been ridiculous for that one.
Here, same thing. I have no clue what they guy is looking for really, or what he's found. If a bunch of R's gave the ok to hit T's lawyer's office unannounced out of concern he would destroy evidence, I'll reserve judgment until I hear chirping, at which point I'll question the integrity of everyone involved. At some point, this (Mueller) is like the Trey Gowdy show: do something, or move on. It's been long enough.
But @Gawd's question is a fair one: are Trump's HCH groupies upset that his attorney's office was raided? Or upset that Hillary's wasn't? Is it the raiding that isn't ok with you? Or the lack of it last time around?
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have these days the time it takes to track this thing with any degree of rigor. Fuck, HCH is arguably my primary news source, so it's up to you degenerates. Don't let me down.
It just seems you've devoted an immense amount of time to this as evidenced by the @tequilla esque diatribes on the subject. I'm down with most of your takes. But I would figure someone in your profession should be able to see through what is really goin down here. Mueller has been reduced to shaking down Trump's attorney to try to see if:creepycoug said:
Well, do you expect me to give up my HCH free time? Not on your fucking life.salemcoog said:
Hmmm....creepycoug said:
That's actually a fair question. I'm not privy to the details of what Jack or Jill are learning in this investigation, and of course nobody with nothing better to do than poast here is either. So with that in mind I'm entirely agnostic about the whole thing, as I was with Hillary, who, again, is not my first choice of people with whom I'd like to hang out.Gwad said:
Are you emphasizing that Hillary's lawyer didn't get raided? Who's side are you on?pawz said:HR, YK
All I know is that after a bazillion years of investigation and interrogating and $$ spent, Gowdy didn't deliver me a corpse. She was stupid af with the server business ... that's all I know. Call her negligent. Grossly negligent. If it was criminal negligence, then I guess she should be in jail. She's not. Benghazi was a circus and is the battle cry of the stupid. She may not be my first choice to deal with the next shit sandwich in the Middle East, but jail time would've been ridiculous for that one.
Here, same thing. I have no clue what they guy is looking for really, or what he's found. If a bunch of R's gave the ok to hit T's lawyer's office unannounced out of concern he would destroy evidence, I'll reserve judgment until I hear chirping, at which point I'll question the integrity of everyone involved. At some point, this (Mueller) is like the Trey Gowdy show: do something, or move on. It's been long enough.
But @Gawd's question is a fair one: are Trump's HCH groupies upset that his attorney's office was raided? Or upset that Hillary's wasn't? Is it the raiding that isn't ok with you? Or the lack of it last time around?
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have these days the time it takes to track this thing with any degree of rigor. Fuck, HCH is arguably my primary news source, so it's up to you degenerates. Don't let me down.
Behave yourself. We've been doing so well. Homie.
A- He paid a hooker $130,000 grand to close her 3 hole and
B- Looking for something else in the Access Hollywood interview of 13 years ago.
Like 'ol Rummy back in the day, It appears Mueller's run out of hard targets and is reduced to trying to shake down folks to get testimonies. Which is a sign you don't have anything to indict on. Comey, Mueller and the whole team have been and are still in the bag for the 'Rats. If they weren't they would have either produced indictments by now or closed down their camp. At this point Mueller is @KenStarrdawg. Nothing more nothing less.
I don't dispute your Mueller/Comey take, but I also don't want to commit myself to it, so that, either way, I'll be chintresting.
If there is only one thing that being a pretend lawyer does to you after a while, for the better and for the worse, it's that you tend to focus on what you don't know. Seriously. People in my pretend profession care more about, focus more energy on, and obsess over, shit that we don't know because that's the shit that gets you. For that reason, we / I tend to over-assume how much we don't know.
In this case, I'm not sure I'm over-assuming. I'm just not there, and it wouldn't be the first time a fumbling prosecutor pulled something out of his ass that nobody saw coming.
As @dflea has mentioned a few times, I can't get over how that warrant was obtained. If I'm in the Trump camp, I'm thinking about that a lot.
For the good of the country, I'd prefer it be resolved with a "nothing to see here" and soon. He's the president, there's no good that comes from him being impeached or his credibility otherwise being impugned. The people will speak again shortly, and we likely get to do this all over again. Until then, I'd prefer our government not look like the second world governments I grew up watching on TV - the ones where the guy's up there speaking and two or three dudes from the opposing party bum rush his ass and it goes free for all. -
This was pretty funny though.creepycoug said:
We're still homies then.salemcoog said:
Hmmm....creepycoug said:
That's actually a fair question. I'm not privy to the details of what Jack or Jill are learning in this investigation, and of course nobody with nothing better to do than poast here is either. So with that in mind I'm entirely agnostic about the whole thing, as I was with Hillary, who, again, is not my first choice of people with whom I'd like to hang out.Gwad said:
Are you emphasizing that Hillary's lawyer didn't get raided? Who's side are you on?pawz said:HR, YK
All I know is that after a bazillion years of investigation and interrogating and $$ spent, Gowdy didn't deliver me a corpse. She was stupid af with the server business ... that's all I know. Call her negligent. Grossly negligent. If it was criminal negligence, then I guess she should be in jail. She's not. Benghazi was a circus and is the battle cry of the stupid. She may not be my first choice to deal with the next shit sandwich in the Middle East, but jail time would've been ridiculous for that one.
Here, same thing. I have no clue what they guy is looking for really, or what he's found. If a bunch of R's gave the ok to hit T's lawyer's office unannounced out of concern he would destroy evidence, I'll reserve judgment until I hear chirping, at which point I'll question the integrity of everyone involved. At some point, this (Mueller) is like the Trey Gowdy show: do something, or move on. It's been long enough.
But @Gawd's question is a fair one: are Trump's HCH groupies upset that his attorney's office was raided? Or upset that Hillary's wasn't? Is it the raiding that isn't ok with you? Or the lack of it last time around?
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have these days the time it takes to track this thing with any degree of rigor. Fuck, HCH is arguably my primary news source, so it's up to you degenerates. Don't let me down.
It just seems you've devoted an immense amount of time to this as evidenced by the @tequilla esque diatribes on the subject. I'm down with most of your takes. But I would figure someone in your profession should be able to see through what is really goin down here. Mueller has been reduced to shaking down Trump's attorney to try to see if:creepycoug said:
Well, do you expect me to give up my HCH free time? Not on your fucking life.salemcoog said:
Hmmm....creepycoug said:
That's actually a fair question. I'm not privy to the details of what Jack or Jill are learning in this investigation, and of course nobody with nothing better to do than poast here is either. So with that in mind I'm entirely agnostic about the whole thing, as I was with Hillary, who, again, is not my first choice of people with whom I'd like to hang out.Gwad said:
Are you emphasizing that Hillary's lawyer didn't get raided? Who's side are you on?pawz said:HR, YK
All I know is that after a bazillion years of investigation and interrogating and $$ spent, Gowdy didn't deliver me a corpse. She was stupid af with the server business ... that's all I know. Call her negligent. Grossly negligent. If it was criminal negligence, then I guess she should be in jail. She's not. Benghazi was a circus and is the battle cry of the stupid. She may not be my first choice to deal with the next shit sandwich in the Middle East, but jail time would've been ridiculous for that one.
Here, same thing. I have no clue what they guy is looking for really, or what he's found. If a bunch of R's gave the ok to hit T's lawyer's office unannounced out of concern he would destroy evidence, I'll reserve judgment until I hear chirping, at which point I'll question the integrity of everyone involved. At some point, this (Mueller) is like the Trey Gowdy show: do something, or move on. It's been long enough.
But @Gawd's question is a fair one: are Trump's HCH groupies upset that his attorney's office was raided? Or upset that Hillary's wasn't? Is it the raiding that isn't ok with you? Or the lack of it last time around?
I honestly don't have a dog in this fight. I don't have these days the time it takes to track this thing with any degree of rigor. Fuck, HCH is arguably my primary news source, so it's up to you degenerates. Don't let me down.
Behave yourself. We've been doing so well. Homie.
A- He paid a hooker $130,000 grand to close her 3 hole and
B- Looking for something else in the Access Hollywood interview of 13 years ago.
Like 'ol Rummy back in the day, It appears Mueller's run out of hard targets and is reduced to trying to shake down folks to get testimonies. Which is a sign you don't have anything to indict on. Comey, Mueller and the whole team have been and are still in the bag for the 'Rats. If they weren't they would have either produced indictments by now or closed down their camp. At this point Mueller is @KenStarrdawg. Nothing more nothing less.
I don't dispute your Mueller/Comey take, but I also don't want to commit myself to it, so that, either way, I'll be chintresting.
If there is only one thing that being a pretend lawyer does to you after a while, for the better and for the worse, it's that you tend to focus on what you don't know. Seriously. People in my pretend profession care more about, focus more energy on, and obsess over, shit that we don't know because that's the shit that gets you. For that reason, we / I tend to over-assume how much we don't know.
In this case, I'm not sure I'm over-assuming. I'm just not there, and it wouldn't be the first time a fumbling prosecutor pulled something out of his ass that nobody saw coming.
As @dflea has mentioned a few times, I can't get over how that warrant was obtained. If I'm in the Trump camp, I'm thinking about that a lot.
For the good of the country, I'd prefer it be resolved with a "nothing to see here" and soon. He's the president, there's no good that comes from him being impeached or his credibility otherwise being impugned. The people will speak again shortly, and we likely get to do this all over again. Until then, I'd prefer our government not look like the second world governments I grew up watching on TV - the ones where the guy's up there speaking and two or three dudes from the opposing party bum rush his ass and it goes free for all.
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theres a lot i didn't read here but Aberdeen and Olympia were Southwest Washington league long before the Black Hills had us consorting with loser towns like Centralia
The SW had the Vancouver schools, the harbor, and Olympia
The rest were lower division
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RaceBannon said:
theres a lot i didn't read here but Aberdeen and Olympia were Southwest Washington league long before the Black Hills had us consorting with loser towns like Centralia
The SW had the Vancouver schools, the harbor, and Olympia
The rest were lower division
Hurts.
The SWW League, when Weatherwax was actually AAA (the largest division in HS sports in WA back then for you young bucks). We flipped to AA my freshman year, I think. I recall Hudson Bay, Ft. Vancouver, Columbia River, and a few others in that league that we stopped competing against once we went BHL.
In my time, and Race will hate this, the Capital Cewgs were the dominant player in BHL football. Oly had already had it runs before that, with a legendary coach on his way to retirement. A few years after the creep left high school, the Tumwater juggernaut established itself. You could feel that one coming during my day, but they didn't put it all together for another few years, then they were money.
Shout out to @dflea , no matter their record, you always had to come to play the Shelton High Climbers. They were never an easy out for anyone; lots of TUFF loggers' kids. flea, do you remember Mark Lund? Fucking helluva an athulete. Great, big hairy monster who was also 400 meter state champ and could throw the javelin into the Pacific from Shelton - that type of dude. There was also a short, also hair, stocky dude who ;looked like he just walked over from his small engine repair class and did not look like he should be playing any kind of a sport, but could fucking fly - 100 meter guy. I'll think of his name in a minute.
Ah, the good old days. B4 I was such a bleeding heart liberal who follows NESCAC sports. Fuck.
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Mark Lund was a grown man when we were in elementary school. I still see him once in a while.
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My ninth grade team played a Shelton school and we thought we wandered on to the high school field
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R A Long and Kelso rounded out the old SW league
All AAA
Capital made Oly go Black Hills as well and they did hit it hard. West Olympia is where the money is or was -
Fucking high school sports superiority guys.
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Signs of the Apocalypse: OBK and Creepy having one of the most rational discussions ever in The Tug.
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Nobody thought you'd get it. Or anything.2001400ex said:Fucking high school sports superiority guys.
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FTFYSwaye said:Signs of the Apocalypse:
OBK and Creepyanyone havingone of the mosta rational discussionseverin The Tug.
