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  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    dnc said:

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    Cohen sounds like someone who's ready to cooperate

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/politics/michael-cohen-fbi-raid/

    "I am unhappy to have my personal residence and office raided. But I will tell you that members of the FBI that conducted the search and seizure were all extremely professional, courteous and respectful. And I thanked them at the conclusion," Cohen said in a phone conversation on Tuesday with CNN.

    Asked if he was worried, Cohen said; "I would be lying to you if I told that I am not. Do I need this in my life? No. Do I want to be involved in this? No."

    No.

    It sounds like someone who is smart enough to take the high-road. Something we are aware you know nothing about.

    Kind of like POTUS.



    So you have that going for you, which is nice.
    Yes Trump is a model of taking the high road. Point taken.

    dnc said:

    pawz said:
    Reading the tea leaves, this tells me they are terrified of the mid term elections. Why else would they make such desperate moves like this as well as YouTube Google overplaying their hand with tyrannical censorship? They're terrified of something.
    Ummm, the Democrats are going to absolutely crush the midterms.

    It's the script.

    They have nothing to be terrified of.

    I'm far more conservative than liberal, but this move tells me they actually have something on Trump. Which isn't exactly shocking.
    Why would a party of abject losers crush it in the midterms when Trump keeps winning and they keep getting exposed as criminals & supporters of totalitarian government?
    Not surprised you don't get it

    Watch and learn junior.

    Some of us have been around long enough to have seen this shit play out multiple times.

    Never question the script.
    I remember the script in 2014 here was UCLA and the great Mora winning the conference.



    Fuck the script. Free Lock up Harv.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,842 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2018

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited April 2018
    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    Benghazi and emails and uranium one say hello.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Yeah - Trump has such a history of integrity, I really think this is all a big witch hunt. At this point, you have to question the motives of Mueller.

    At least that's what Fox News and Russian Trolls told me. For some reason, they seem to be the only people who know the truth!

    Well those guys and sledoog and racist bannon.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,487 Founders Club

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Great poast.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,209
    Sledog said:

    Now that I've read what they were after - payment of hush money to other women - I completely agree. This is preposterous.

    EVERYONE with a brain knows Trump dipped his wick in some strange. EVERYONE with a brain knows he lies a little more than the average bear. EVERYONE with a brain knows he's a little duplicitous.

    But come on. This is retarded. This has little or nothing to do with running the government, and flying in a law firm's office to raid evidence of this shit is beyond a waste of time and resources, and for any civil libertarian, a gross overreach of government power.

    If they were doing it in the name of preventing a crime or national security, that's one thing. Not this.

    Sorry. Using power over a subordinate in office is grounds for harsh criticism of judgement and moral turpitude. Cheating on Melania with skank is not.

    I still think he's a dangerous Prez, in that he also flouts the rule of law and kinda just does what he wants to do, and in that he fans the flame of a dirty fringe underbelly in this country that we are all better off leaving alone. But this latest move, and continued focus on Stormy, is just bone dead stupid.
    Councilor, please comment on the fact that "collusion" is not a crime or a chargeable offense and yet we somehow have a special council investigating collusion. Since when are non-crimes investigated? Mueller also has constantly focused on unrelated crimes often from 10 or 12 years prior. Just seems like an aimless hunt for anything chargeable in an individuals lifetime. Also thoughts on raiding an individuals personal attorney obviously seeking attorney client privileged information? Thoughts?
    I'm struggling to understand your point. Are your questions rhetorical? Are you saying that the feds should have raided the guy's office? I just posted something suggesting that the raid was an over-step based on what I know of the facts, which, like everyone here, isn't much. Or are you struggling with my post as much as you seem to be struggling with difference between "council" and "counsel"?

    Also, since you seem to have joined me in my pretend legal career, where I attended pretend law school, "collusion" is, in fact, a chargeable criminal offense in a variety of legal contexts. But I'm sure you knew all that and are just testing me.

    Beyond that little detail, the concept of a prosecutor finding new and unrelated shit while investigating you for something else is hardly new, unique to Trump or to proceedings like these. If Satterberg's office is looking into you for narcotics trafficking, and finds a lead suggesting you killed someone, I'm guessing even you know what's going to happen, regardless of your party affiliation. I have no issue with that part of it, and neither should you.

    The only hook here that I'm aware of is hush-money payments to anyone for any reason before the election as constituting an illegal campaign contribution. The law is the law there, but sure, if it were me, I'd probably use my government resources on something more important. Foreign government collusion with a standing President to get him elected is an entire other kettle of fish. I have no idea if it's true or not, and neither do you.

    Anything else?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,209

    It is a verifiable fact that the party out of power wins the mid terms. The Great Obama lost seats almost every election

    The GOP isn't smart enough to flip the script because they think running against Trump is the play

    Had they replaced Obamacare and not done the omnibus spending bill and funded the wall they would have a chance to get the coalition out this fall

    Conservatives stay home like they did in 06

    The left is rabid this time

    I like Hilary this November

    I can't disagree with any of that.
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    pawz said:

    All of the left in this thread like being for a Harvard Law Professor until they're against a Harvard Law Professor. That's what they like to do.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5601007/Mueller-violated-Michael-Cohens-constitutional-rights-just-seizing-records-says-Dershowitz.html



    Sounds like a fist deep investigaytion into Dershowitz is in order.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    pawz said:

    All of the left in this thread like being for a Harvard Law Professor until they're against a Harvard Law Professor. That's what they like to do.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5601007/Mueller-violated-Michael-Cohens-constitutional-rights-just-seizing-records-says-Dershowitz.html



    Sounds like a fist deep investigaytion into Dershowitz is in order.
    Dershowitz is going to get the “deep state.”
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited April 2018
    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    This reads like a parody of Rush Limbaugh.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,233
    I don't believe the warrant would have been issued or acted upon unless there was some shit going on much bigger than paying off bitches, even if it violated campaign laws.

    Call it a hunch.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,209

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    Hmm. I didn't know that, eh?
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited April 2018

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    Hmm. I didn't know that, eh?
    Tell a bad joke, get fined 5 figures. Criticize Islam, get taken before a 'hate speech' tribunal. Use the wrong gender pronoun to describe someone's choice of 50 different genders, get fined or go to prison. Free speech is dead in Canada.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,209

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    You sure about that Clark?

    [I'm don't believe for a second that even you believe that.]
  • BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script.

    Didn't read past this sentence, but I agree with it.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Different dynamics this time around, throw out the script. Trump is seen by most of his supporters as having at least attempted to fulfill his campaign pledges. Most of his supporters see the writing on the wall, they aren't stupid, they read the news, they know about censorship encroaching on free speech, they know the left wants to seize their guns & create a socialist state in the US in the mold of Canada, where diversity of opinion isn't tolerated. They saw the shitshow in Germany, which led to the moslem invasion of Europe. They've seen the IRS, the FBI, the DOJ and other institutions corrupted to a level never before seen in the history of the country. Trump's voters will be out in full force. He may have even gained some new ones. They know a future generation of potential tyrants that were brought up in the propaganda of the education system will be coming of age and voting, and understand time is not on the side of freedom as western countries become more Orwellian in their behavior.

    Republicans that support Trump and are on board with his agenda stand a strong chance in these elections. Those that don't and are not, Trump's voters will stay home and not bother with. It's all about their allegiance with Trump's agenda.

    Hmm. I didn't know that, eh?
    Tell a bad joke, get fined 5 figures. Criticize Islam, get taken before a 'hate speech' tribunal. Use the wrong gender pronoun to describe someone's choice of 50 different genders, get fined or go to prison. Free speech is dead in Canada.
    You sound like Steven Colbert.
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