"We've only been an elite program again for 1 year"
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I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
Tax free bonds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan supportAEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
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Agree, and IMO, "elite" is the most abused term in college football. Christ.WeakarmCobra said:
Having Peterman at the throne makes us a good program. It takes consistent winning to be considered an elite.DerekJohnson said:@NEsnake12 said those words in another thread. (Obligatory: Apparently NESnake1-11 were already taken)
But that was the thing that was surreal for me watching Saturday's game. The Colorado game was the first UW game I had watched from start-to-finish all year. And the intensity that Colorado and their fans had to play us seemed weird to me. I read somewhere that the Buffs had focused their entire off-season on us and I was like okay, whatever. But to see them come out so fired up, it almost didn't register. And then UW completely destroyed them on their own field. It was a prison rape type of performance.
One of the TV announcers said "an elite program like Washington..." And I thought, "we've only been elite for one year. Does that make us an OFFICIAL elite program?"
It's going to take a while longer for me to get used to that.
The last elite PAC program was USC under Carroll. Elite is rarified air. Elite is expected to win every game regardless of opponent or venue. Alabama is elite this year, and really no one else. I really like what Petersen is doing at UW and am cautiously optimistic that he might get them there, he certainly has them on the right track, they're very good but they're not there yet. -
By those standards fucking POS Texas A&M is elite because they got a nice stadiumAEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
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Agree. We're definitely Tier 2, say, somewhere between 15 and 20 ish. 1984 really fucked us- i.e., having 1.5 natties since 1980 would really boost the resume. Hell, we'd be tied with USC over the same timeframe (sorry 1979 USC...ha, ha)Swaye said:I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
Swaye said:
Love you, but disagree. We have never been elite. We have been close...80's-mid 90's...few years in the 60's...we are a clear second tier school...nothing wrong with that. Elite is Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Bama etc. Blue bloods are elite. Programs like Miami (helluva run over roughly the same time period as ours, and they did way more and still aren't truly elite), Clemson, Oregon (past 20 years), UW, Georgia, UWisc, Tennessee, etc. are second tier schools. Good some of the time, and for long strethces, with maybe a NC or two or a "almost" type year and some big bowl wins. That's second tier.AEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
Elite to me is basically winning NC's across multiple decades for the last 50-60 years. Just a handful of programs like that out there.
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DerekJohnson said:
Gil Dobie and I shared a hearty laugh over your post in the media room.Swaye said:
Love you, but disagree. We have never been elite. We have been close...80's-mid 90's...few years in the 60's...we are a clear second tier school...nothing wrong with that. Elite is Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Bama etc. Blue bloods are elite. Programs like Miami (helluva run over roughly the same time period as ours, and they did way more and still aren't truly elite), Clemson, Oregon (past 20 years), UW, Georgia, UWisc, Tennessee, etc. are second tier schools. Good some of the time, and for long strethces, with maybe a NC or two or a "almost" type year and some big bowl wins. That's second tier.AEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
Elite to me is basically winning NC's across multiple decades for the last 50-60 years. Just a handful of programs like that out there.
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Meh, that's not really an indicator. At one time, when only a few teams were given bowl bids, that mattered, but today, most of those games are consolation prizes.AZDuck said:Win a NY6 bowel game and pop off
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UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete.
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Elite programs win natties.AEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
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One Natty is all it will take. UW''s return to Elite Status will be retored. Book End Natty''s with a tragic story that included a Black coach "who wasn't treated fairly" will do the trick. Peterman will become USC Pete Carrol. 12''s will burn their jerseys in a sign of KKKOURAGE as the Sea hawks return to Suck and Once again Seattle will become a town where All I Saw Was Purple is uttered at opposing press conferences as they leave town.
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Those three programs have won natties this century.Dennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete.
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UW fucked itself in 1984.YellowSnow said:
Agree. We're definitely Tier 2, say, somewhere between 15 and 20 ish. 1984 really fucked us- i.e., having 1.5 natties since 1980 would really boost the resume. Hell, we'd be tied with USC over the same timeframe (sorry 1979 USC...ha, ha)Swaye said:I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
Welcome to the @Sledog club!doogie said:One Natty is all it will take. UW''s return to Elite Status will be retored. Book End Natty''s with a tragic story that included a Black coach "who wasn't treated fairly" will do the trick. Peterman will become USC Pete Carrol. 12''s will burn their jerseys in a sign of KKKOURAGE as the Sea hawks return to Suck and Once again Seattle will become a town where All I Saw Was Purple is uttered at opposing press conferences as they leave town.
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As long as I haven't sunk to the Boobs club I'm good!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Welcome to the @Sledog club!doogie said:One Natty is all it will take. UW''s return to Elite Status will be retored. Book End Natty''s with a tragic story that included a Black coach "who wasn't treated fairly" will do the trick. Peterman will become USC Pete Carrol. 12''s will burn their jerseys in a sign of KKKOURAGE as the Sea hawks return to Suck and Once again Seattle will become a town where All I Saw Was Purple is uttered at opposing press conferences as they leave town.
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This. What other school in the country that hadn't dun better than 5-4 in conference since 2001 could have gotten Pete? The fundamentals were always there to be a top 10- 15 type program and we just fucked it up with decades of gross mismanagement. Look at Nebraska - who's gonna be their savior given the decay of their program?Dennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete.
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I agree that UW has many built in advantages that help it retain a second tier status even during mediocre or worse stretches. It's really no surprise that Peterman was interested in taking the leap. Brand new shiny stadium, a program that has proven it can win at the highest levels, somewhat better than fair to middling talent on the team and expectations that had been tempered by the Gilby/Ty/Sark years. Not saying Peterman is afraid of high expectations, don't twist, don't be a twister, but I am saying that that is an ideal situation to walk into when you plan to blow up everything the fucktard before you was doing. If Pete is who we think he is, UW will regularly contend for conference titles and more. It's looking like it's a good time to be a DaWg .... again.YellowSnow said:
This. What other school in the country that hadn't dun better than 5-4 in conference since 2001 could have gotten Pete? The fundamentals were always there to be a top 10- 15 type program and we just fucked it up with decades of gross mismanagement. Look at Nebraska - who's gonna be their savior given the decay of their program?Dennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete. -
LOL.
Triggered old man is triggered. -
Ha! After re-reading this thread I guess I set myself up for that.Swaye said:
Best part of this is imagining @Doog_de_Jour having a wife. Because girl on girl.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Doesn't count unless you turned to your wife to wonder that aloud.Doog_de_Jour said:
I'm more traumatized watching that gif than the Russell Wilson Super Bowl interception one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:oregonblitzkrieg said:Also obligatory:
FUCK
Wonder how that game would have turned out if that fucktarded play never happened. CHRIST. That mustve been a dagger in the confidence of the entire team, going in to half time no less.
At the bare minimum, losing 17-7 looks a lot better than losing 24-7.
Our defense is good enough to win the title this year. Our offense needs to pound the fucking rock with Gaskin.
Playoffs this year or bust
I remember after the Peach Bowl thinking just like you and wondering "what if". Then my inner-Boobs said, "winners win" and I shut down any alternate reality fantasies for the sake of my mental health.
Hopefully with more appearances in the playoffs picks like that won't derail the teams' confidence as much.
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Other than the fact that those schools all have recent multiple natties....Dennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete.
Spot on??? -
Poont of clarification.salemcoog said:
Other than the fact that those schools all have recentDennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete.multiplenatties....
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Yeah they lost a game on the road to a team that finished top 10; that's a pretty minor blemish on the best overall resume that year. 1984 BYU is the least deserving National Champ of the modern era of CF.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
UW fucked itself in 1984.YellowSnow said:
Agree. We're definitely Tier 2, say, somewhere between 15 and 20 ish. 1984 really fucked us- i.e., having 1.5 natties since 1980 would really boost the resume. Hell, we'd be tied with USC over the same timeframe (sorry 1979 USC...ha, ha)Swaye said:I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
If you tee it up I am guaranteed to hit it. lulz.Doog_de_Jour said:
Ha! After re-reading this thread I guess I set myself up for that.Swaye said:
Best part of this is imagining @Doog_de_Jour having a wife. Because girl on girl.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Doesn't count unless you turned to your wife to wonder that aloud.Doog_de_Jour said:
I'm more traumatized watching that gif than the Russell Wilson Super Bowl interception one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:oregonblitzkrieg said:Also obligatory:
FUCK
Wonder how that game would have turned out if that fucktarded play never happened. CHRIST. That mustve been a dagger in the confidence of the entire team, going in to half time no less.
At the bare minimum, losing 17-7 looks a lot better than losing 24-7.
Our defense is good enough to win the title this year. Our offense needs to pound the fucking rock with Gaskin.
Playoffs this year or bust
I remember after the Peach Bowl thinking just like you and wondering "what if". Then my inner-Boobs said, "winners win" and I shut down any alternate reality fantasies for the sake of my mental health.
Hopefully with more appearances in the playoffs picks like that won't derail the teams' confidence as much. -
SLEEPING GIANTYellowSnow said:
This. What other school in the country that hadn't dun better than 5-4 in conference since 2001 could have gotten Pete? The fundamentals were always there to be a top 10- 15 type program and we just fucked it up with decades of gross mismanagement. Look at Nebraska - who's gonna be their savior given the decay of their program?Dennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete. -
Fixed.AZDuck said:
SLEEPING Tier 2 GIANTYellowSnow said:
This. What other school in the country that hadn't dun better than 5-4 in conference since 2001 could have gotten Pete? The fundamentals were always there to be a top 10- 15 type program and we just fucked it up with decades of gross mismanagement. Look at Nebraska - who's gonna be their savior given the decay of their program?Dennis_DeYoung said:UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete. -
Fine. I accept the scorn. Furthermore, I accept the DDY tiered ranking of deuce. I’m full on Doog right now and in the preason poll, I stated I was still “happy to be here” and “not critical yet.” I still think the stadium getting done with a shitbag program was a huge signal to us being elite (defined now as tier deuce). Some Luddite mentioned ATM as a comp - yes, based on their financial backing and maneuvering into the SEC, ATM is a great comp and proof we aren’t shit. They even have their own Sark. Finally, UW has no single benefactor, an even bigger signal of our eliteness, and very much unlike our grellow, gas pumping, power bottom state neighbor or Okie State for examples.
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AEB said:
Fine. I accept the scorn. Furthermore, I accept the DDY tiered ranking of deuce. I’m full on Doog right now and in the preason poll, I stated I was still “happy to be here” and “not critical yet.” I still think the stadium getting done with a shitbag program was a huge signal to us being elite (defined now as tier deuce). Some Luddite mentioned ATM as a comp - yes, based on their financial backing and maneuvering into the SEC, ATM is a great comp and proof we aren’t shit. They even have their own Sark. Finally, UW has no single benefactor, an even bigger signal of our eliteness, and very much unlike our grellow, gas pumping, power bottom state neighbor or Okie State for examples.
Ahem. Big and Elite, you say? -
You are right about BYU.YellowSnow said:
Yeah they lost a game on the road to a team that finished top 10; that's a pretty minor blemish on the best overall resume that year. 1984 BYU is the least deserving National Champ of the modern era of CF.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
UW fucked itself in 1984.YellowSnow said:
Agree. We're definitely Tier 2, say, somewhere between 15 and 20 ish. 1984 really fucked us- i.e., having 1.5 natties since 1980 would really boost the resume. Hell, we'd be tied with USC over the same timeframe (sorry 1979 USC...ha, ha)Swaye said:I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
I just puked in my mouth.Baseman said:AEB said:Fine. I accept the scorn. Furthermore, I accept the DDY tiered ranking of deuce. I’m full on Doog right now and in the preason poll, I stated I was still “happy to be here” and “not critical yet.” I still think the stadium getting done with a shitbag program was a huge signal to us being elite (defined now as tier deuce). Some Luddite mentioned ATM as a comp - yes, based on their financial backing and maneuvering into the SEC, ATM is a great comp and proof we aren’t shit. They even have their own Sark. Finally, UW has no single benefactor, an even bigger signal of our eliteness, and very much unlike our grellow, gas pumping, power bottom state neighbor or Okie State for examples.
Ahem. Big and Elite, you say? -
I hate them with every ounce of my being. It's the creepiest campus and college town in all of the US.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You are right about BYU.YellowSnow said:
Yeah they lost a game on the road to a team that finished top 10; that's a pretty minor blemish on the best overall resume that year. 1984 BYU is the least deserving National Champ of the modern era of CF.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
UW fucked itself in 1984.YellowSnow said:
Agree. We're definitely Tier 2, say, somewhere between 15 and 20 ish. 1984 really fucked us- i.e., having 1.5 natties since 1980 would really boost the resume. Hell, we'd be tied with USC over the same timeframe (sorry 1979 USC...ha, ha)Swaye said:I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc.
