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TSiO Episode #35: Preseason Review, Raising the Bar Update, Colorado Preview

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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited September 2017
    Tequilla said:

    It's an interesting idea when you think about it ... contain the QB in the pocket and when he steps up you squeeze him in and send a MLB up to support ... in the process you force the QB to throw in a semi-congested pocket and allows our DBs confidence to play actual routes versus freelanced situations

    Probably our coaches learning a lesson from darnold last season why killed us by extending the play.
    The downside is that it seems to be a bad natural fit for benning's style. I don't see why we've never tried him as a Michael Bennett inside type on. 3rd downs.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    go to 36:15
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BOACy7J4yo

    there is definitely something to what teq says about our pass rush philosophy. Gaines has a free rush to the QB and just stops. Similarly watch how wide an angle Jaylen takes.

    Given this philosophy you can see why we? did so well against hurts.

    On situations where one or more front 4 players don't rush, my guess is always been they're assigned to screen/scramble/draw.
  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    dhdawg said:

    go to 36:15
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BOACy7J4yo

    there is definitely something to what teq says about our pass rush philosophy. Gaines has a free rush to the QB and just stops. Similarly watch how wide an angle Jaylen takes.

    Given this philosophy you can see why we? did so well against hurts.

    Makes more sense now. I read something that alluded to this from the Atlanta Falcons preseason talk about Elijah Qualls.

    http://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2017/06/30/pass-rusher-coach-chuck-smith-breaks-down-four-eagles-dl-hes-worked-with/4/
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    dhdawg said:

    go to 36:15
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BOACy7J4yo

    there is definitely something to what teq says about our pass rush philosophy. Gaines has a free rush to the QB and just stops. Similarly watch how wide an angle Jaylen takes.

    Given this philosophy you can see why we? did so well against hurts.

    Yeah I remember seeing that play, I think Greg just thought that was a screen since no one blocked him. If it's too easy it is usually a screen, in that case it was just a blown assignment by the OL and Gaines got confused.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,231
    Part of being elite is doing things differently than everybody else and finding competitive advantages ...

    We all know that part of destroying a passing attack is in making the QB uncomfortable ...

    We all have largely been brought up with the idea that the best way to do that is through pressuring the QB ...

    We have also seen instances throughout the history of football where there have been unique ways employed to disrupt ... the Bills/Giants Super Bowl (SB25) is a famous example where the Giants continuously rushed 2 flooding passing lanes ...

    In today's modern football defenses are faced with QBs that are multi talented that can beat you with their arms and feet ... take the Rich Rod special play where they run option action with the QB/RB and still have a WR available as a receiving option ... or take the QB that breaks containment and creates big plays with either his feet/arm ...

    It's not that I think that we are against blitzing or pushing up the field ... but I think we are definitely strategic about it ... if we blitz up the middle the edges are containing the escape route ...

    It's interesting to me to think about the concept ... on one hand it goes against everything we've ever thought ... on the other the implications are super interesting
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    Tequilla said:

    Part of being elite is doing things differently than everybody else and finding competitive advantages ...

    We all know that part of destroying a passing attack is in making the QB uncomfortable ...

    We all have largely been brought up with the idea that the best way to do that is through pressuring the QB ...

    We have also seen instances throughout the history of football where there have been unique ways employed to disrupt ... the Bills/Giants Super Bowl (SB25) is a famous example where the Giants continuously rushed 2 flooding passing lanes ...

    In today's modern football defenses are faced with QBs that are multi talented that can beat you with their arms and feet ... take the Rich Rod special play where they run option action with the QB/RB and still have a WR available as a receiving option ... or take the QB that breaks containment and creates big plays with either his feet/arm ...

    It's not that I think that we are against blitzing or pushing up the field ... but I think we are definitely strategic about it ... if we blitz up the middle the edges are containing the escape route ...

    It's interesting to me to think about the concept ... on one hand it goes against everything we've ever thought ... on the other the implications are super interesting

    That's all well and good, but we don't need Ryan Bowman doing that.
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    Bread said:

    You are missing something key with Bowman. We need him vs Auburn next year. He played at IMG probably on the bottom of the roster but he was there. Now all the kids that beat him go to auburn. So he got that revenge factor going on. No one else on the team has that kind if motivation.





    This is brilliant, hadn't thought of it that way.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,231

    Tequilla said:

    Part of being elite is doing things differently than everybody else and finding competitive advantages ...

    We all know that part of destroying a passing attack is in making the QB uncomfortable ...

    We all have largely been brought up with the idea that the best way to do that is through pressuring the QB ...

    We have also seen instances throughout the history of football where there have been unique ways employed to disrupt ... the Bills/Giants Super Bowl (SB25) is a famous example where the Giants continuously rushed 2 flooding passing lanes ...

    In today's modern football defenses are faced with QBs that are multi talented that can beat you with their arms and feet ... take the Rich Rod special play where they run option action with the QB/RB and still have a WR available as a receiving option ... or take the QB that breaks containment and creates big plays with either his feet/arm ...

    It's not that I think that we are against blitzing or pushing up the field ... but I think we are definitely strategic about it ... if we blitz up the middle the edges are containing the escape route ...

    It's interesting to me to think about the concept ... on one hand it goes against everything we've ever thought ... on the other the implications are super interesting

    That's all well and good, but we don't need Ryan Bowman doing that.

    Tequilla said:

    Part of being elite is doing things differently than everybody else and finding competitive advantages ...

    We all know that part of destroying a passing attack is in making the QB uncomfortable ...

    We all have largely been brought up with the idea that the best way to do that is through pressuring the QB ...

    We have also seen instances throughout the history of football where there have been unique ways employed to disrupt ... the Bills/Giants Super Bowl (SB25) is a famous example where the Giants continuously rushed 2 flooding passing lanes ...

    In today's modern football defenses are faced with QBs that are multi talented that can beat you with their arms and feet ... take the Rich Rod special play where they run option action with the QB/RB and still have a WR available as a receiving option ... or take the QB that breaks containment and creates big plays with either his feet/arm ...

    It's not that I think that we are against blitzing or pushing up the field ... but I think we are definitely strategic about it ... if we blitz up the middle the edges are containing the escape route ...

    It's interesting to me to think about the concept ... on one hand it goes against everything we've ever thought ... on the other the implications are super interesting

    That's all well and good, but we don't need Ryan Bowman doing that.
    This isn't about Bowman ... fixating on Bowman is getting lost in the details and not seeing the bigger picture
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    Tequilla said:

    Part of being elite is doing things differently than everybody else and finding competitive advantages ...

    We all know that part of destroying a passing attack is in making the QB uncomfortable ...

    We all have largely been brought up with the idea that the best way to do that is through pressuring the QB ...

    We have also seen instances throughout the history of football where there have been unique ways employed to disrupt ... the Bills/Giants Super Bowl (SB25) is a famous example where the Giants continuously rushed 2 flooding passing lanes ...

    In today's modern football defenses are faced with QBs that are multi talented that can beat you with their arms and feet ... take the Rich Rod special play where they run option action with the QB/RB and still have a WR available as a receiving option ... or take the QB that breaks containment and creates big plays with either his feet/arm ...

    It's not that I think that we are against blitzing or pushing up the field ... but I think we are definitely strategic about it ... if we blitz up the middle the edges are containing the escape route ...

    It's interesting to me to think about the concept ... on one hand it goes against everything we've ever thought ... on the other the implications are super interesting

    That's all well and good, but we don't need Ryan Bowman doing that.

    Tequilla said:

    Part of being elite is doing things differently than everybody else and finding competitive advantages ...

    We all know that part of destroying a passing attack is in making the QB uncomfortable ...

    We all have largely been brought up with the idea that the best way to do that is through pressuring the QB ...

    We have also seen instances throughout the history of football where there have been unique ways employed to disrupt ... the Bills/Giants Super Bowl (SB25) is a famous example where the Giants continuously rushed 2 flooding passing lanes ...

    In today's modern football defenses are faced with QBs that are multi talented that can beat you with their arms and feet ... take the Rich Rod special play where they run option action with the QB/RB and still have a WR available as a receiving option ... or take the QB that breaks containment and creates big plays with either his feet/arm ...

    It's not that I think that we are against blitzing or pushing up the field ... but I think we are definitely strategic about it ... if we blitz up the middle the edges are containing the escape route ...

    It's interesting to me to think about the concept ... on one hand it goes against everything we've ever thought ... on the other the implications are super interesting

    That's all well and good, but we don't need Ryan Bowman doing that.
    This isn't about Bowman ... fixating on Bowman is getting lost in the details and not seeing the bigger picture
    I'm hearing some of us? out here need to dig deeper out here.