it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
There you go again KaiserKewg - your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze. No shit, BOR and Army Corps projects help subsidize the cost of food production; I never said anything implying that wasn't the case. But those farmers are also earning a pretty nice living as a result of tax payer subsidized cheap water. And I don't have a problem with them doing so, per say. My observation here is that if you live in fucking rural American you need to understand a little of the history of how you get to exist out there in the first place and quite hating on the federales so much. Who built the dams? Not private enterprise. Who brought the electrical grid and roads the rural parts of the US? It was big fucking guvmint, paid for with city slicker tax dollars.
Your grandfather chaired the Riverside County GOP back in the day, correct (love the bar at the Mission Inn btw)? So you saw San Joaquin valley and Colorado river water flowing voluminously and transforming the Coachella into an Ag powerhouse. Same thing in the San Joaquin valley (CVP)and eastern WA (BPA) Water, power, fertile land -- all delivered by taxpayers. Sounds like crony capitalism at its finest.
That he did.
Even through farmers still use most (80%) of California's water and we can argue about the economic merits of subsidizing them, keep in mind those projects would have not gotten built without the political clout of the agriculture interest in CA in the 1930- 60s. Without that Southern California doesn't exist in the way it does now. Some of you fuckers probably think that would have been a good thing, but go fuck yourselves.
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
There you go again KaiserKewg - your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze. No shit, BOR and Army Corps projects help subsidize the cost of food production; I never said anything implying that wasn't the case. But those farmers are also earning a pretty nice living as a result of tax payer subsidized cheap water. And I don't have a problem with them doing so, per say. My observation here is that if you live in fucking rural American you need to understand a little of the history of how you get to exist out there in the first place and quite hating on the federales so much. Who built the dams? Not private enterprise. Who brought the electrical grid and roads the rural parts of the US? It was big fucking guvmint, paid for with city slicker tax dollars.
Your grandfather chaired the Riverside County GOP back in the day, correct (love the bar at the Mission Inn btw)? So you saw San Joaquin valley and Colorado river water flowing voluminously and transforming the Coachella into an Ag powerhouse. Same thing in the San Joaquin valley (CVP)and eastern WA (BPA) Water, power, fertile land -- all delivered by taxpayers. Sounds like crony capitalism at its finest.
Sounds like a responsible use to tax dollars to open up land for people and agriculture. Government at its finest.
Not bullet trains to Fresno
They have to fix the Delta and the Freeways before they worry about bullet trains.
People forget that Orange County once grew oranges and Knott's Berry farm was real farm. When we went to Disneyland in the 60's it was in the middle of nowhere relative to the urban area it is today.
The fabled 909 along the 10 from Pomona to Redlands was citrus central too at the turn of the last century.
Those half million and above houses for sale once housed migrant workers. The former owner house go for more.
The workers lived in shacks, the owners in Craftsman homes
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
This is essential reading by the way, if you want to dig a little deeper into the subject.
I agree. We should save our water by diverting it away from Southern California. I prefer my oranges from Florida anyway. Problem solved.
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
There you go again KaiserKewg - your ability to miss the point never ceases to amaze. No shit, BOR and Army Corps projects help subsidize the cost of food production; I never said anything implying that wasn't the case. But those farmers are also earning a pretty nice living as a result of tax payer subsidized cheap water. And I don't have a problem with them doing so, per say. My observation here is that if you live in fucking rural American you need to understand a little of the history of how you get to exist out there in the first place and quite hating on the federales so much. Who built the dams? Not private enterprise. Who brought the electrical grid and roads the rural parts of the US? It was big fucking guvmint, paid for with city slicker tax dollars.
Your grandfather chaired the Riverside County GOP back in the day, correct (love the bar at the Mission Inn btw)? So you saw San Joaquin valley and Colorado river water flowing voluminously and transforming the Coachella into an Ag powerhouse. Same thing in the San Joaquin valley (CVP)and eastern WA (BPA) Water, power, fertile land -- all delivered by taxpayers. Sounds like crony capitalism at its finest.
Sounds like a responsible use to tax dollars to open up land for people and agriculture. Government at its finest.
People forget that Orange County once grew oranges and Knott's Berry farm was real farm. When we went to Disneyland in the 60's it was in the middle of nowhere relative to the urban area it is today.
The fabled 909 along the 10 from Pomona to Redlands was citrus central too at the turn of the last century.
Those half million and above houses for sale once housed migrant workers. The former owner house go for more.
The workers lived in shacks, the owners in Craftsman homes
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
well, it isn't like you give a shit what the Federales say on your guns n' religion compound anyway, but both Houses of Congress as constituted favor rural over urban dwellers in terms of voting power, as well as the other unwritten archaic practice that the two rural states of Iowa and New Hampshire have an outsized voice in who gets to be Prez in the first place... so...
Again, you wouldn't be swapping tears and cum with dhdawg if your candidate would have won.
no. I wouldn't have.
When an archaic institution, in this case the electoral college, gives an unfair electoral advantage to one side, in this case the right. It's usually the other side that wants to fix the system.
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
well, it isn't like you give a shit what the Federales say on your guns n' religion compound anyway, but both Houses of Congress as constituted favor rural over urban dwellers in terms of voting power, as well as the other unwritten archaic practice that the two rural states of Iowa and New Hampshire have an outsized voice in who gets to be Prez in the first place... so...
Again, you wouldn't be swapping tears and cum with dhdawg if your candidate would have won.
no. I wouldn't have.
When an archaic institution, in this case the electoral college, gives an unfair electoral advantage to one side, in this case the right. It's usually the other side that wants to fix the system.
Crazy, isn't it.
The system worked better before congress got a cap of 435 in 1911. Remove that cap for electoral votes only (we don't need a 2,000 seat congress) and it would be mostly fine.
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
This is essential reading by the way, if you want to dig a little deeper into the subject.
I agree. We should save our water by diverting it away from Southern California. I prefer my oranges from Florida anyway. Problem solved.
Your water doesn't go to Southern California.
Correct. But the point is that So Cal would dry up in a month if they closed the gates to Lake Mead and other areas outside of the state where the wa wa comes from.
People forget that Orange County once grew oranges and Knott's Berry farm was real farm. When we went to Disneyland in the 60's it was in the middle of nowhere relative to the urban area it is today.
The fabled 909 along the 10 from Pomona to Redlands was citrus central too at the turn of the last century.
Those half million and above houses for sale once housed migrant workers. The former owner house go for more.
The workers lived in shacks, the owners in Craftsman homes
I've lived here since 1989 after graduating from UW. At the time, people all around me were moving out because they couldn't recognize the California that had been their home for decades. In the ensuing 28 years, I have to say I am flabbergasted by the pace of change I've experienced. So cal is manifestly different from I when I arrived here for graduate school. And of course, public policy is driven to accelerate benefits to the wealthy at the expense of the middle class leaving a distinct rich/poor divide. Nevertheless, there is no stop to the rapid course of change. We are on ever-moving 18 mph treadmill. Things always seem to work out, however haphazard.
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
This is essential reading by the way, if you want to dig a little deeper into the subject.
I agree. We should save our water by diverting it away from Southern California. I prefer my oranges from Florida anyway. Problem solved.
Your water doesn't go to Southern California.
Correct. But the point is that So Cal would dry up in a month if they closed the gates to Lake Mead and other areas outside of the state where the wa wa comes from.
Not exactly. Most of So Cal's water comes from in state- i.e., diverted from the Northern watersheds in the State and diverted south through the CA State Water Project; and for LA, their Aqueduct from the Owens Valley. So Cal gets a portion from the Colorado River, but it's nowhere near the majority of their water. They also have a shit ton or reservoirs that capture rainfall and certain places - e.g., Orange County - have massive aquifers.
it would be nice if people rather than acreage decided who runs the country
(yes, I had to edit that. it takes time to be pithy)
I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose - but those people who live in 'the country' don't much like city folks telling them how to manage their lands from behind desks.
Them cunty folk's hypocrisy about big guvmint makes me laff from time to time. Us here city slickers are the ones that subsidize their roads, schools, etc. If you're a farmer that irrigates at all in WA, CA, ID, etc, all that infrastructure came from big government boondoggles and they only pay pennies on the dollar for the actual cost of the water.
They aren't subsidizing the farmer, they subsidize the food you eat. Now go back to your topicalchica handle and poast a shitty pole. It's your wheel house.
This is essential reading by the way, if you want to dig a little deeper into the subject.
I agree. We should save our water by diverting it away from Southern California. I prefer my oranges from Florida anyway. Problem solved.
Your water doesn't go to Southern California.
Correct. But the point is that So Cal would dry up in a month if they closed the gates to Lake Mead and other areas outside of the state where the wa wa comes from.
Not exactly. Most of So Cal's water comes from in state- i.e., diverted from the Northern watersheds in the State and diverted south through the CA State Water Project; and for LA, their Aqueduct from the Owens Valley. So Cal gets a portion from the Colorado River, but it's nowhere near the majority of their water. They also have a shit ton or reservoirs that capture rainfall and certain places - e.g., Orange County - have massive aquifers.
I'm sure that works great during the 7 days per year when it rains. So you're saying, and just let me get this clear, cuz I'm a little slow, that So Cal has an abundant in state water supply?
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Even through farmers still use most (80%) of California's water and we can argue about the economic merits of subsidizing them, keep in mind those projects would have not gotten built without the political clout of the agriculture interest in CA in the 1930- 60s. Without that Southern California doesn't exist in the way it does now. Some of you fuckers probably think that would have been a good thing, but go fuck yourselves.
The fabled 909 along the 10 from Pomona to Redlands was citrus central too at the turn of the last century.
Those half million and above houses for sale once housed migrant workers. The former owner house go for more.
The workers lived in shacks, the owners in Craftsman homes
The Romans are shaking their head at us
When an archaic institution, in this case the electoral college, gives an unfair electoral advantage to one side, in this case the right. It's usually the other side that wants to fix the system.
Crazy, isn't it.
There have been a few plans to do that.
Is that what you're really trying to say?