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A brief history of the only successful nation building exercises in US History

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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    Why do you hate #1 North Dakota, #2 Alaska and #3 Wyoming?

    Get sum Fossil Fuels + GOP Governance and then pop off fren.

  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    The reason we put so much effort and money into Japan and Germany to this day is for the reasons you stated.

    We didn't want them to rebuild themselves. Because then they would start attacking countries again.
    Completely agree. They weren't wasted efforts. Our best strategy with these fuckbag countries in the middle east is to give them aid, blow up Israel and shower them with affection. Our foreign policy these days is basically based on emotional bullshit.

    Realpolitik or fucking die.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,950
    I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club
    edited August 2017

    Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    STAY!
    If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).

    Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.

    Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.

    (Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)

    Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.

    The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.

    It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt.
    Japan kicked the Catholics out in the late 1500's to early 1600's and for 250 only Protestant traders (Dutch) were allowed to visit Nagasaki. Then during the Restoration they modeled their Navy on Britain. Legal system was based more on German tradition I believe.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club
    Funny thing is though, Japan and German's post war economies were both centered on making kick ass shit and selling it to other countries, and yet our GDP per capita (PPP) is still considerably higher than both. Jokes on you guys suckers! USA USA USA!!!
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is

    Don't blame yourself, you went to ASU.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    edited August 2017

    I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is

    Don't blame yourself, you went to ASU OSU.
    yeah but still

    @Dennis_DeYoung

    also, as an actual duck of Portuguese and Spanish extraction

    fuck off

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,808 Founders Club

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    The reason we put so much effort and money into Japan and Germany to this day is for the reasons you stated.

    We didn't want them to rebuild themselves. Because then they would start attacking countries again.
    Completely agree. They weren't wasted efforts. Our best strategy with these fuckbag countries in the middle east is to give them aid, blow up Israel and shower them with affection. Our foreign policy these days is basically based on emotional bullshit.

    Realpolitik or fucking die.
    We are paying off the mid east despots to pay off the crazies. Israel is important to both of them or the ruse is exposed. Israel disappears and they still live on a sand pile with all the money at the top and now no one to blame. Nor would it be as easy to recruit fucktards to drive around in Toyota trucks cutting the heads off of other fucktards

    The corruption thing you talked about is in the mid east in spades

    Without Israel they could still point to our corrupt morals and embrace of all that Allah finds offensive
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,415 Founders Club

    Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    STAY!
    If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).

    Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.

    Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.

    (Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)

    Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.

    The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.

    It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt.
    THIS! Even though we had to D.A.O. King George III, we always must be grateful for the mother ship connection from which we came. It's not a coincidence that the world has pretty much been run by English speaking countries since 1815.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    AZDuck said:

    I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is

    Don't blame yourself, you went to ASU OSU.
    yeah but still

    @Dennis_DeYoung

    also, as an actual duck of Portuguese and Spanish extraction

    fuck off

    Well, if you were descendent of prots, you'dve probably made it into UW. You didn't do too bad, though. OSU is for first gen SE Asians and farm boys obsessed with animal semen.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,808 Founders Club

    Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    STAY!
    If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).

    Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.

    Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.

    (Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)

    Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.

    The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.

    It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt.
    THIS! Even though we had to D.A.O. King George III, we always must be grateful for the mother ship connection from which we came. It's not a coincidence that the world has pretty much been run by English speaking countries since 1815.
    To tie this into the college thread - why not try teaching that on campus today?
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,168 Standard Supporter

    AZDuck said:

    I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is

    Don't blame yourself, you went to ASU OSU.
    yeah but still

    @Dennis_DeYoung

    also, as an actual duck of Portuguese and Spanish extraction

    fuck off

    Well, if you were descendent of prots, you'dve probably made it into UW. You didn't do too bad, though. OSU is for first gen SE Asians and farm boys obsessed with animal semen.
    Did you just bash animal semen?

    There are lines, man. There are lines not to cross.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    The reason we put so much effort and money into Japan and Germany to this day is for the reasons you stated.

    We didn't want them to rebuild themselves. Because then they would start attacking countries again.
    Completely agree. They weren't wasted efforts. Our best strategy with these fuckbag countries in the middle east is to give them aid, blow up Israel and shower them with affection. Our foreign policy these days is basically based on emotional bullshit.

    Realpolitik or fucking die.
    We are paying off the mid east despots to pay off the crazies. Israel is important to both of them or the ruse is exposed. Israel disappears and they still live on a sand pile with all the money at the top and now no one to blame. Nor would it be as easy to recruit fucktards to drive around in Toyota trucks cutting the heads off of other fucktards

    The corruption thing you talked about is in the mid east in spades

    Without Israel they could still point to our corrupt morals and embrace of all that Allah finds offensive
    What we really need to do is make sure males get educated (most of this shit is males fearing they won't be able to compete clutching to whatever means they have to protect their women and children against whatever outgroup is top-of-mind from raiding and fucking their women and changing the minds of their young), but I don't exactly know how to do that.

    Israel is a fuckshow, though. Complete waste of money. Our strat objectives aren't served there and everyone knows it. It's just some bullshit to get votes from dumbfucks in America.

    Just like the fucking Cuba bullshit in S. Florida. Sometimes policy is dictated by voters. Primarily when it makes no fucking sense.
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    AZDuck said:

    I have no fucking clue what a Protestant is

    Don't blame yourself, you went to ASU OSU.
    yeah but still

    @Dennis_DeYoung

    also, as an actual duck of Portuguese and Spanish extraction

    fuck off

    Well, if you were descendent of prots, you'dve probably made it into UW. You didn't do too bad, though. OSU is for first gen SE Asians and farm boys obsessed with animal semen.
    Prots on the other side. I did okay
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    STAY!
    If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).

    Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.

    Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.

    (Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)

    Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.

    The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.

    It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt.
    THIS! Even though we had to D.A.O. King George III, we always must be grateful for the mother ship connection from which we came. It's not a coincidence that the world has pretty much been run by English speaking countries since 1815.
    To tie this into the college thread - why not try teaching that on campus today?
    Well, mostly because English speaking is an artifact (the English speaking causes nothing). However, the fact that economic powers have had protestant foundations for the past 200 years is pretty well understood and explained (though it is a subject of some controversy, because it's hard to fucking exactly understand why ANYTHING happens). Stop listening to fuckbag English and Social Justice Major profs on fucking Fox you dumbshit.

    J/k you're my buddy! ;)
  • AZDuckAZDuck Member Posts: 15,381

    Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    STAY!
    If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).

    Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.

    Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.

    (Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)

    Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.

    The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.

    It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt.
    THIS! Even though we had to D.A.O. King George III, we always must be grateful for the mother ship connection from which we came. It's not a coincidence that the world has pretty much been run by English speaking countries since 1815.
    To tie this into the college thread - why not try teaching that on campus today?
    Well, mostly because English speaking is an artifact (the English speaking causes nothing). However, the fact that economic powers have had protestant foundations for the past 200 years is pretty well understood and explained (though it is a subject of some controversy, because it's hard to fucking exactly understand why ANYTHING happens). Stop listening to fuckbag English and Social Justice Major profs on fucking Fox you dumbshit.

    J/k you're my buddy! ;)
    Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Burma, Malaysia, Kenya, Uganda, Belize, Fiji, the Phillipines and Cyprus are nodding their heads sadly.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,808 Founders Club

    Did someone hack @Dennis_DeYoung 's account? What are you doing in the Patron Rub and Tug Tavern?

    AZDuck said:

    AZDuck said:

    image
    [citation needed]

    Please elaborate.
    Not sure that Reconstruction took

    image
    It took in the sense that the Union was preserved, the slaves were (partially) freed, and that they didn't take up arms again (on a large scale, at least) against the federal government (I think the armed militia thing on public ground should be grounds for immediate arrest BTW; that's not 2nd amendment protected). But we did go easy on the South- i.e., virtually no hangings of traitors and the Democrats we back in power in every state by the late 1870's. We took the easy route to get them back in the fold. Keep in mind we went pretty easy on Japan as well in this respect...

    image

    image
    I'd put my money on Japanese and German people to rebuild a country over almost anyone else. They were also 'successful' rebuilds because they were both formidable opponents in the first fucking place.

    You don't go into some shit-wagon cuntry that's never done anything fucking right in its history, dump a bunch of strings-attached money into it and hope that something good happens.

    Japan and Germany were fucking serious powers. We have fought a bunch of shit-houses since then and either run them over post-haste or had to fight guerrillas, which no one likes to do.

    Iraq has been behind the fucking times for like 1800 years. You think fucking 8 years of US corruption that's not allowed in the US so has to take place somewhere else in order to line the pockets of US military contractors - in an already complete corrupt shit-hole is going to fucking do anything?

    The south is the same shit. It's pretty much the fucking same as it was when we leveled it.

    White people without the protestant work ethic are fucking wholly and completely useless - and the south is run by them (and has basically always been). The south is basically a complete leech off grown economies.

    If you look at the USA right now, per capita GDP is only higher than the AVG US PCGDP in ONE fucking 'southern state' (Virginia) and that has nothing to do with the South and everything to do with the north.

    By contrast, most places with complete shit PCGDP are southern or rural.

    Bottom 15 -
    36 Michigan (corrupt unions and the American auto industry management fuckshow; complete disaster)
    37 Missouri (white southerners)
    38 Tennessee (ouch)
    39 New Mexico (NOC)
    40 Florida (Republican rule and racism!)
    41 Montana (see Florida)
    42 Kentucky (see Florida)
    43 Maine (see Florida)
    44 Arizona (see Florida)
    45 Alabama (ouch)
    46 South Carolina (ouch)
    47 Arkansas (ouch)
    48 West Virginia (ouch)
    49 Idaho (see Florida)
    50 Mississippi (ouch).

    The economy in the South is good relative to the rest of the world (it's trash in PPP by the way) for the same reason Italy, Spain and Portugal look okay. When you are next to giant economic power and have trade alliances with them, you flourish even if you are a complete corrupt fuckhole.
    STAY!
    If you look at corruption ranking (worldbank is fine) and per capita GDP in the world, the correlation is like -.85. The only other factor that moves the needle much is oil wealth (hence why Alaska, North Dickcota and Wyoming aren't on the shit-bag list for the US).

    Also, if you look out at the world, the major economic story of the world is pretty much this: shit happened, then protestants happened, this tamped corruption down severely and taught people to read, then you had the enlightenment and industrial revolution. This is where all the fucking world GDP comes from.

    Outside of countries with either deep protestant trading ties or majority protestants (this has been shown in an excellent 2000 paper at the fucking COUNTY level), there is only ONE FUCKING CUNTRY that has a good economy (and they are also without severe corruption; every place is corrupt, it's just the severity that makes such a big difference) is: JAPAN.

    (Every other country with a decent economy can be directly tied to protestant involvement at some point)

    Japan has been the only country to get rid of corruption without the PWE and Germany fucking invented it.

    The protestant Germans are sofa king good at life that they rose out of the ashes twice to become dominant. After 1945 they rose so fucking hard, they merged with shit-ball EGerm (who had been infiltrated by corrupt shit-ball commies) and their PCGDP is STILL one of the best in the world. They are basically 15k ahead of East Germany in PCGDP to this fucking day.

    It's amazing what you can do when you have a literate, education population who aren't corrupt.
    THIS! Even though we had to D.A.O. King George III, we always must be grateful for the mother ship connection from which we came. It's not a coincidence that the world has pretty much been run by English speaking countries since 1815.
    To tie this into the college thread - why not try teaching that on campus today?
    Well, mostly because English speaking is an artifact (the English speaking causes nothing). However, the fact that economic powers have had protestant foundations for the past 200 years is pretty well understood and explained (though it is a subject of some controversy, because it's hard to fucking exactly understand why ANYTHING happens). Stop listening to fuckbag English and Social Justice Major profs on fucking Fox you dumbshit.

    J/k you're my buddy! ;)
    When I was at Denny Hall where the Four Seasons is now we stuck to the basics
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