Middle aged white guy who was last at Iowa State versus Lake. I like this hire.
Disagree.
I worry when UCLA gets guys who are serious coaches. UCLA will always recruit top 15 classes. The coaches get overly focused on recruiting because they fool themselves into thinking it's what will separate them and then they get crazy about it because it's so easy.
The only thing I worry about UCLA with is them getting coaches who are great coaches who can take their top 15 guaranteed recruiting classes and turn them into guys who play with intensity and consistency.
Obviously Lake isn’t long for his current position. But isn’t that true for every assistant coach on every staff in the country? Sure, some of the OCs and DCs may be stable for 5 year periods, but assistant level coaches have to be 2-3 years average in the same job, right?
Obviously Lake isn’t long for his current position. But isn’t that true for every assistant coach on every staff in the country? Sure, some of the OCs and DCs may be stable for 5 year periods, but assistant level coaches have to be 2-3 years average in the same job, right?
No - I don’t think so ... probably about half and half
For example, on our existing staff the only coaches I see as significant flight risks in the next 2-3 years would be Lake and Lubick ... Bush will be a future star as a HC most likely but he’s going to need to put in some as an OC before moving up the food chain. At best he’s on the back end of that time frame ... more like 3-5 years.
K isn’t going anywhere ... don’t think he has the ambition to be anything more as it isn’t his personality. Gregory is only leaving if pushed out. Same with Malloe. Huff and Paopao strike me as positional assistants.
TBD on the RB coach assuming Boner is leaving ... I need to review his background a bit more ... but would likely lean towards he probably is in the will move in 3 years or so to an OC or mid-major HC role.
The nice part about this early signing period is that we can play hardball with him. They'll tell him that if he doesn't sign, then he's not guaranteed a spot. I think if he makes it to campus this coming weekend, he'll sign on the 20th.
The nice part about this early signing period is that we can play hardball with him. They'll tell him that if he doesn't sign, then he's not guaranteed a spot. I think if he makes it to campus this coming weekend, he'll sign on the 20th.
I’m not sure you can play hardball with all recruits ...
If you play hardball with Hampton he can just come back laughing at you saying that’s cool but I’m sure the upper elite of the SEC may have some interest ... he’s never going to be left without a spot.
The nice part about this early signing period is that we can play hardball with him. They'll tell him that if he doesn't sign, then he's not guaranteed a spot. I think if he makes it to campus this coming weekend, he'll sign on the 20th.
I’m not sure you can play hardball with all recruits ...
If you play hardball with Hampton he can just come back laughing at you saying that’s cool but I’m sure the upper elite of the SEC may have some interest ... he’s never going to be left without a spot.
Agreed, but you can play hardball with him when UW is clearly his best option.
The nice part about this early signing period is that we can play hardball with him. They'll tell him that if he doesn't sign, then he's not guaranteed a spot. I think if he makes it to campus this coming weekend, he'll sign on the 20th.
I think we will make expectations clear to him. But I doubt we play hardball. There is no one else interested!
Obviously Lake isn’t long for his current position. But isn’t that true for every assistant coach on every staff in the country? Sure, some of the OCs and DCs may be stable for 5 year periods, but assistant level coaches have to be 2-3 years average in the same job, right?
Either your position coach sucks or he is looking to move up.
The nice part about this early signing period is that we can play hardball with him. They'll tell him that if he doesn't sign, then he's not guaranteed a spot. I think if he makes it to campus this coming weekend, he'll sign on the 20th.
I’m not sure you can play hardball with all recruits ...
If you play hardball with Hampton he can just come back laughing at you saying that’s cool but I’m sure the upper elite of the SEC may have some interest ... he’s never going to be left without a spot.
Agreed, but you can play hardball with him when UW is clearly his best option.
Again, we may be his best option at present because he's been locked in with us for so long ...
I don't believe that we're necessarily the best option going forward if his recruitment opens back up
The issue with Lake is how it was obviously public he was trying to leave.
So while it’s obvious on some level that all assistants are trying to move up or leave, they can say “I want to be here forever” and have dumb kids believe it.
But with Lake, guys like Meat say “That guy is trying to leave you’ll only have him for 2 weeks. Look at how Bush left last year. Those guys are going to bounce on you.” And those same stupid kids are like “yeah, good point.”
So any talk about reality needs to be canned. We need to talk about PERCEPTION because that’s what matters in recruiting.
From early on, I've always felt from reading Hampton's interviews, that he was hoping for other offers. His commitment to UW was very "well, I guess I'll go ahead and pick UW then". He was also trying to visit Oregon for their big recruiting weekend before WT left.
Dick Newton has had a similar recruitment. The difference is, I think teams will come after Hampton late.
It will be chinteresting to see how Pete handles this. I know his expectation is that all current commits sign on the 20th. You can't hold off recruniting a position because a kid wants to dick around until Feb. That's how you get left holding your dick in your hand on signing day.
From early on, I've always felt from reading Hampton's interviews, that he was hoping for other offers. His commitment to UW was very "well, I guess I'll go ahead and pick UW then". He was also trying to visit Oregon for their big recruiting weekend before WT left.
Dick Newton has had a similar recruitment. The difference is, I think teams will come after Hampton late.
It will be chinteresting to see how Pete handles this. I know his expectation is that all current commits sign on the 20th. You can't hold off recruniting a position because a kid wants to dick around until Feb. That's how you get left holding your dick in your hand on signing day.
Likely he will no sign next next week and then we will scramble for him and for whoever usc doesn't want.
From early on, I've always felt from reading Hampton's interviews, that he was hoping for other offers. His commitment to UW was very "well, I guess I'll go ahead and pick UW then". He was also trying to visit Oregon for their big recruiting weekend before WT left.
Dick Newton has had a similar recruitment. The difference is, I think teams will come after Hampton late.
It will be chinteresting to see how Pete handles this. I know his expectation is that all current commits sign on the 20th. You can't hold off recruniting a position because a kid wants to dick around until Feb. That's how you get left holding your dick in your hand on signing day.
Right now we have at least a couple of fingers on our dick
"it’s quite possible that we may be better off without Lake sooner than later" - tequila fs
one of the dumbest things ever written on this website.
Please explain how?
Right now the DB class looks like it has a chance to be an unmitigated disaster ... care to explain to me how that is the case?
If you actually thought about it for a second, you may realize that I'm not as crazy or as dumb as you think I am
just stop, dude. lake is objectively one of the best db coaches/recruiters in the country.
saying we're? better off without him is one of the most try-hard posts of all time.
Way to not answer the question ...
If you can't answer the question then FUCK OFF ...
Saying that Lake's one of the premier DB coaches is COMPLETELY missing the point ... nobody is disputing that fact ... but how much of the job of a position coach is actual coaching versus recruiting?
Depending on how he closes this class, hard to say that he's not damaged goods.
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I worry when UCLA gets guys who are serious coaches. UCLA will always recruit top 15 classes. The coaches get overly focused on recruiting because they fool themselves into thinking it's what will separate them and then they get crazy about it because it's so easy.
The only thing I worry about UCLA with is them getting coaches who are great coaches who can take their top 15 guaranteed recruiting classes and turn them into guys who play with intensity and consistency.
For example, on our existing staff the only coaches I see as significant flight risks in the next 2-3 years would be Lake and Lubick ... Bush will be a future star as a HC most likely but he’s going to need to put in some as an OC before moving up the food chain. At best he’s on the back end of that time frame ... more like 3-5 years.
K isn’t going anywhere ... don’t think he has the ambition to be anything more as it isn’t his personality. Gregory is only leaving if pushed out. Same with Malloe. Huff and Paopao strike me as positional assistants.
TBD on the RB coach assuming Boner is leaving ... I need to review his background a bit more ... but would likely lean towards he probably is in the will move in 3 years or so to an OC or mid-major HC role.
If you play hardball with Hampton he can just come back laughing at you saying that’s cool but I’m sure the upper elite of the SEC may have some interest ... he’s never going to be left without a spot.
Which would you prefer?
I don't believe that we're necessarily the best option going forward if his recruitment opens back up
So while it’s obvious on some level that all assistants are trying to move up or leave, they can say “I want to be here forever” and have dumb kids believe it.
But with Lake, guys like Meat say “That guy is trying to leave you’ll only have him for 2 weeks. Look at how Bush left last year. Those guys are going to bounce on you.” And those same stupid kids are like “yeah, good point.”
So any talk about reality needs to be canned. We need to talk about PERCEPTION because that’s what matters in recruiting.
one of the dumbest things ever written on this website.
Dick Newton has had a similar recruitment. The difference is, I think teams will come after Hampton late.
It will be chinteresting to see how Pete handles this. I know his expectation is that all current commits sign on the 20th. You can't hold off recruniting a position because a kid wants to dick around until Feb. That's how you get left holding your dick in your hand on signing day.
Right now the DB class looks like it has a chance to be an unmitigated disaster ... care to explain to me how that is the case?
If you actually thought about it for a second, you may realize that I'm not as crazy or as dumb as you think I am
saying we're? better off without him is one of the most try-hard posts of all time.
Jimmy Lake is the GOAT. One recruiting class changes nothing.
STOp.
If you can't answer the question then FUCK OFF ...
Saying that Lake's one of the premier DB coaches is COMPLETELY missing the point ... nobody is disputing that fact ... but how much of the job of a position coach is actual coaching versus recruiting?
Depending on how he closes this class, hard to say that he's not damaged goods.