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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,675 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    I'm really surprised at how low most of you have Leonard. I'd have him 3rd behind Lebron and Durant. I really don't see how you have Westbrook and Harden ahead of him.

    Westbrook and Harden have complete shit tier teams around them. Westbrook's literally cannot score when he is off the court, and Harden's is looking to beat him with a tiny roster, essentially no center either.

    Westbrook has a good coach but Harden has Mike "shoot it within 5 seconds every possession you faggots" D'Antoni.

    Leonard's defense is easily top 5 but after seeing him with a veteran roster and a hall of fame coach and organization for a few years now, I'll take the other guys.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,675 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    What the fuck does Leonard have around him? He's got the Spurs infrastructure, I'll give you that, but Lamarcus Aldridge and Danny Green as your second and third best players? They won 60 games!

    The Thunder roster is no doubt worse but I have a problem with the complaints about Houstons roster. It's not great by any means but it's built for Harden to be great. Give Kawhi a bunch of 3 point shooters and Mike Dantoni and his offensive numbers would sky rocket.

    They're a veteran group with a coach whose only flaw is the fact that he looks like he'll keel over tomorrow. Aldridge may be a loser but the aggregate with their other role players is a markedly better roster. You brought up Green, but they always have guys like Patty Mills that kill you when it counts. Gasol has been a champion, obviously. This "He's done" shit often dies down because you're not grinding through 82 games with back-to-backs.

    That Houston is team fucking dreck compared to SA. They are incredibly short, no center, they basically rely on Ne Ne to come off the bench for boards. I've watched a shit ton of Houston this year, and in person every time they came to Portland. It's Harden and Ariza.

    I will give them credit for showing more balls in the series than SA who looks unwilling to go get slaughtered in the next round.

    We're talking about Leonard in the top 10, and it's a debate without even bringing up Curry. I just don't like what I see from Leonard offensively, during elite play. With a team that isn't Portland he will get shut the fuck down by starters and bench players alike, but I get that people value his defense as much as they do.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    allpurpleallgold said:

    I'm really surprised at how low most of you have Leonard. I'd have him 3rd behind Lebron and Durant. I really don't see how you have Westbrook and Harden ahead of him.

    I don't see how you have Durant in the top 2 when he's the fourth best player on his own team.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,521 Swaye's Wigwam
    Finally a good game in the playoffs. I don't think either SA or Houston can beat Golden State more than once.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Finally a good game in the playoffs. I don't think either SA or Houston can beat Golden State more than once.

    The playoffs don't start until June
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    I'm really surprised at how low most of you have Leonard. I'd have him 3rd behind Lebron and Durant. I really don't see how you have Westbrook and Harden ahead of him.

    I don't see how you have Durant in the top 2 when he's the fourth best player on his own team.
    Who do you have ahead of him? Klay, Draymond and...? Javale?
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    No respect for any bigs...SAD!

    Cousins, Davis, Greek Freak...
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,521 Swaye's Wigwam
    ThomasFremont said:

    No respect for any bigs...SAD!

    Cousins, Davis, Greek Freak...

    Greek Freak isn't really a big. He's making a move. Davis is good, but how high can you rank a guy that isn't won?

    The real big is Embiid if he ever stays healthy, which he won't.
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    RoadDawg55 said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    No respect for any bigs...SAD!

    Cousins, Davis, Greek Freak...

    Greek Freak isn't really a big. He's making a move. Davis is good, but how high can you rank a guy that isn't won?

    The real big is Embiid if he ever stays healthy, which he won't.
    Irregardless, there are guards that Leonard can't touch, and bigs that make a bigger impact for their team.

    There is no way he is top 5 (LeBron, Durrant, Westbrook, Curry, Harden) and it's not hard to find 5+ guys I'd rather have.

    Like I said, good player, plays on a good team with a great coach. Not top 10. He's a jack of all trades, but a master of none.
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