The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
The OL plays a much bigger part in wearing a defense down than a RB.
Nobody has anything against power backs, but the real point is to get good RB's. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Bingo. Get good players. That is literally it.
Should we pass on Salvon, Myles, McGrew, Sankey type players because they aren't big backs (whatever the fuck that means)?
Good big backs are good because they are good at football, if big back was really crucial we should just start having Greg Gaines run straight ahead and tire out the defense.
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
The OL plays a much bigger part in wearing a defense down than a RB.
Nobody has anything against power backs, but the real point is to get good RB's. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Bingo. Get good players. That is literally it.
Should we pass on Salvon, Myles, McGrew, Sankey type players because they aren't big backs (whatever the fuck that means)?
Good big backs are good because they are good at football, if big back was really crucial we should just start having Greg Gaines run straight ahead and tire out the defense.
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
The OL plays a much bigger part in wearing a defense down than a RB.
Nobody has anything against power backs, but the real point is to get good RB's. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Bingo. Get good players. That is literally it.
Should we pass on Salvon, Myles, McGrew, Sankey type players because they aren't big backs (whatever the fuck that means)?
Good big backs are good because they are good at football, if big back was really crucial we should just start having Greg Gaines run straight ahead and tire out the defense.
I was just going to say, the more I think about it, the more I like this idea...
Newton and Brown look like future DBs to me. They lack a step or 2 in speed to be serious contenders at RB in the Pac. They have the right frames for DBs tho. Brown looks like he has a step on Newton. Lowe would make for a better RB than them in this class.
Brown is 220 lbs. He's a power back. He'll never be a speed guy but when you need a RB to get you five yards a carry against a tough defense Brown could be that guy. You're right about Newton. He's 180 lbs soaking wet. I'm tired of these tiny ass RB's. They're good for the most part in the Pac-12 but we need big backs to beat the big boys.
My god, not "power back" bullshit. Eeeesh.
When was the last time you saw a team win the national championship without using a power back?
Last January.
Also in 2013, when Florida State won it all.
Florida 2008 and 2006. Texas 2005.
Terrible argument.
I was going to argue then realized Bama lost the final
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
Do you consider CJ Prosise a big back?
Big back in terms of size, yes. Power back in terms of physicality, no. He's more of a finesse back which is why he's a 3rd string back up and the starter is 250 lb Feast Mode.
My point is that he's 220 and by your definition a big back
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
The OL plays a much bigger part in wearing a defense down than a RB.
Nobody has anything against power backs, but the real point is to get good RB's. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
No shit Sherlock. I want big backs that are also good.
How many elite power backs are there though? The few out there are all going to USC or SEC schools, they're not coming to fucking Washington. I think its just a lot easier to find smaller backs, and its not worth sacrificing the talent difference to go with the bigger back. Bo Scarbroughs don't grow on trees, especially not on the west coast.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
You'd rather have Chris Warren than Myles Gaskin. Your a fucking moron.
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
Do you consider CJ Prosise a big back?
Big back in terms of size, yes. Power back in terms of physicality, no. He's more of a finesse back which is why he's a 3rd string back up and the starter is 250 lb Feast Mode.
My point is that he's 220 and by your definition a big back
Scarborough at 235+ is a big back
15 lbs for a RB is a big deal
Not when you get into big back weight range it isn't. Walter Payton was 215, Adrian Petersen 220, Marshawn Lynch 215-230, Steven Jackson 245, Eddie Lacy 260, Jerome Bettis 270. Once you get into big back territory 15 pounds doesn't matter much. I guy that weighs 220 can break just as many if not more tackles than a guy that weighs 15 more pounds. Then it becomes more about their skill set and mentality. However, the difference between 185 to 200 lbs is huge and 200 to 215 lbs. is big. After that a big back is a big back.
1. Your categories for big/small back are completely arbitrary.
2. Players change their bodies in college. Marshawn was listed at 5'11" 195# in his recruiting profile. So was he big or small?
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
You'd rather have Chris Warren than Myles Gaskin. Your a fucking moron.
Your opinions will no longer be needed.
TYFYS, but WDWYA.
Chris Warren is an NFL talent. Myles Gaskin is not. You clearly don't know shit about football and never played the game. UW would without a doubt be a better team and have a better chance of winning in the playoffs with Warren.
The NFL is completely meaningless to this conversation. Warren might have a better career than Gaskin at the next level. Might. Gaskin will unquestionably have a better career at this level.
Mark Brunell was a better NFL player than @billyjoecamaro was. Im sure you'd rather have him as your college QB too.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
Of all the dumbest things I've ever read on this board, even the political shit at the tug, this takes the cake.
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
Do you consider CJ Prosise a big back?
Big back in terms of size, yes. Power back in terms of physicality, no. He's more of a finesse back which is why he's a 3rd string back up and the starter is 250 lb Feast Mode.
My point is that he's 220 and by your definition a big back
Scarborough at 235+ is a big back
15 lbs for a RB is a big deal
And Scarborough is easily 250. Most coaches don't list their RB's as weighing more than 230. They like it when defenders are surprised by how heavy their RB is when they try to tackle him. Psychological war fare.
The big back argument is vastly overrated to me as what is a big back and what's the purpose of one?
As with most things, all things being equal you take the size ... but I'd take talent ahead of size
I would consider a big back a RB that's 215+, a medium back is 200-215, and a small back less than 200. The purpose is having a big motherfucker that can break tackles, get yards after contact, and wear down defenses so that your team can finish strong in the fourth quarter against a defense that's tired of tackling a big motherfucker. But no I'm sure your right and every NFL coach is wrong and every college coach winning national championships is wrong. You guys are right. Big backs don't matter. What was I thinking.
The OL plays a much bigger part in wearing a defense down than a RB.
Nobody has anything against power backs, but the real point is to get good RB's. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
No shit Sherlock. I want big backs that are also good.
How many elite power backs are there though? The few out there are all going to USC or SEC schools, they're not coming to fucking Washington. I think its just a lot easier to find smaller backs, and its not worth sacrificing the talent difference to go with the bigger back. Bo Scarbroughs don't grow on trees, especially not on the west coast.
It's not that hard to find good power backs. Give me a Chris Polk or Lavon Coleman all damn day. We were close to getting Warren. Could have easily dropped Pleasant for Bisharat who will be good for Colorado IMO. We should have taken Cyrus Habibi-Likio who will be a good power back for Oregon IMO. It doesn't have to be some 5* Najee Harris type of guy.
Polk was a WR when he was recruited. Ty lucked into him.
Coleman was trash until he spent two full years with Socha. He was made, not found.
I'm not anti power backs at all. I'm pro good backs.
Myles Gaskin is one of the best backs in the nation. He's tiny. But he's damb good.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
Wake me up when Chris Warren does anything against a remotely good defense.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
You'd rather have Chris Warren than Myles Gaskin. Your a fucking moron.
Your opinions will no longer be needed.
TYFYS, but WDWYA.
Chris Warren is an NFL talent. Myles Gaskin is not. You clearly don't know shit about football and never played the game. UW would without a doubt be a better team and have a better chance of winning in the playoffs with Warren.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
Wake me up when Chris Warren does anything against a remotely good defense.
Up until this season he was a back up to another NFL talent in Deonte Foreman. I'll be sure to bump this thread when Warren is drafted ahead of Gaskin if Gaskin gets drafted at all. And yeah, Gaskin is running all over great defenses in the Pac-12. Those defenses for Oregon, Cal, Oregon State, Arizona, Arizona State, and WSU were all so good last season.
The fact that this thread has devolved to you taking shots at Myles Gaskin is fucking fascinating. I hope Sean Mcgrew balls out just to spite you.
In the 2015 class UW went after both Chris Warren and Myles Gaskin. Warren was the higher rated recruit and undeniably a "power back" at 6'3 240. His highlights were more him just running over people while Gaskin's showcased his vision and elusiveness a bit more. I think everyone on this bored would rather have Gaskin than Warren and wouldn't think twice about it.
FUCK NO! Warren is a fucking beast! I would trade him for Gaskin in a heart beat. Congratulations, you just won Doog of the year with that one.
Wake me up when Chris Warren does anything against a remotely good defense.
Up until this season he was a back up to another NFL talent in Deonte Foreman. I'll be sure to bump this thread when Warren is drafted ahead of Gaskin if Gaskin gets drafted at all. And yeah, Gaskin is running all over great defenses in the Pac-12. Those defenses for Oregon, Cal, Oregon State, Arizona, Arizona State, and WSU were all so good last season.
You're missing the point. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE NFL??? We're talking about college football. Gaskin is a better college back.
Warren ran over JV defenses in Texas Tech and Oklahoma St... then played decent against the Cal team you just trashed. Every other game was low YPC.
Like I said, wake me up when Chris Warren as a great performance against a legit defense like Gaskin did last year at Utah or in the Pac12 championship game against Colorado.
Hey guys I think Ballz is talking about big backs like Dewayne Washington, Ty Eriks, Rich Alexis, Albert Tuipolutu and Johnnie Kirton. He's on to something.
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Should we pass on Salvon, Myles, McGrew, Sankey type players because they aren't big backs (whatever the fuck that means)?
Good big backs are good because they are good at football, if big back was really crucial we should just start having Greg Gaines run straight ahead and tire out the defense.
Scarborough at 235+ is a big back
15 lbs for a RB is a big deal
Your opinions will no longer be needed.
TYFYS, but WDWYA.
2. Players change their bodies in college. Marshawn was listed at 5'11" 195# in his recruiting profile. So was he big or small?
Mark Brunell was a better NFL player than @billyjoecamaro was. Im sure you'd rather have him as your college QB too.
You should change your handle to @SteveSarkisian.
Holy FUCK.
Coleman was trash until he spent two full years with Socha. He was made, not found.
I'm not anti power backs at all. I'm pro good backs.
Myles Gaskin is one of the best backs in the nation. He's tiny. But he's damb good.
Recruit good RBs. Nothing else matters.
Warren ran over JV defenses in Texas Tech and Oklahoma St... then played decent against the Cal team you just trashed. Every other game was low YPC.
Like I said, wake me up when Chris Warren as a great performance against a legit defense like Gaskin did last year at Utah or in the Pac12 championship game against Colorado.