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Colson Yankoff, 2018 QB, Coeur d' Alene, ID (COMMITTED)
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Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.dnc said:
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader, not in Petes system. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
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Your last point here is spot on ...dnc said:
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
This is why I don't think it's a slam dunk that Sirmon's going elsewhere ...
It's likely not a void between the ears and I agree that there have been some signs of good leadership examples coming from him ...
There's a lot of LIPO here in the next few months and years -
There is no way they want Sirmon to leave, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't more comfortable with Yankoff. This wouldn't be happening if they were completely sold on Sirmon. They wouldn't risk losing him.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.dnc said:
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
TL;DR FML
Yankoff isn't an insurance policy. He has offers from all over the country and is simply a better QB at this point. Sirmon wouldn't put up big numbers against Camas and Folsom like Yankoff did.
Sirmon is a big strong armed kid. From what I've seen, Yankoff is a better fit for our offense. Dual threats are so important in college football.
To your point above #1.... If/When Sirmon leaves, we will have ZERO competition for Yankoff. It's the same situation except with Yankoff instead of Sirmon.
And Sirmon will decommit. -
Ah yes, the old Ryan Fitzpatrick canard.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
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Setting aside the relative importance of the mental side of things, I don't even think your physical requirements are right.Tequilla said:
The most important physical characteristics for a QB are arm strength and height/weight.backthepack said:
Uhh does Sirmon vert 39" inches and run a 4.67 40 yard dash? Sirmon's arm talent is a bit better though.Tequilla said:Sirmon has more physical talent ... but his intangibles need to get better to be a great QB ... that's part of being 17 and everybody matures differently ...
Almost all top programs he will go to will find him in a position where he will have to compete ... it is what it is.
There is room in this class for 2 QBs ... whether we will end up with 2 QBs is TBD
Plus arm strength definitely adds the wow factor for recruits that are above the minimal abilities in several other categories, but arm strength is NOT the most important physical attribute. And height/weight aren't second either.
Most of the most important physical abilities for a QB are really more learned and technique related, rather than innate. Footwork, throwing motion, release quickness...those are all physical manifestations of technique. If you want to boil it down to innate physical qualities, those would probably be good feet, general balance and all around athletic coordination. Those qualities allow a QB to take good drops, have strong footwork and to throw with proper mechanics. Basically those are the qualities that it takes to be an accurate passer in a game setting.
Innate arm strength would definitely be behind those. And if you factor in the mental aspects of the game, arm strength would be way, way down the list, followed by height.
I would argue that arm strength, as it is generally understood, is really only innate for a small segment of players. Certainly some guys just have a natural gift to be able to make the ball really jump off their hands, but players that aren't gifted that way can still learn to throw farther and with better velocity by improving their throwing mechanics.
You can have the tall guy who is a savant at throwing the ball, but has questionable accuracy because of his lead feet and lack of athleticism. I'll take the medium sized guy with great general athletic ability and less innate arm strength.
My guy, with proper coaching and development, will turn into a more than functional college QB, provided he has the mental acuity to process information quickly. Your guy will make a great javelin thrower.
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I agree that they are likely more comfortable with Yankoff, I just don't think it has to do with anything on the field. These are two of the best QB's on the west coast, he is likely a better QB right now, like you said, but the upside for Sirmon is sky high (and yes, I understand Yankoff has great upside too, I just personally believe Sirmons is higher).RoadDawg55 said:
There is no way they want Sirmon to leave, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't more comfortable with Yankoff. This wouldn't be happening if they were completely sold on Sirmon. They wouldn't risk losing him.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Agree with all of this. I'm just saying as far as us basement lurkers evaluating a teen boy it's really hard to get a grasp on stuff. Even watching their games and shit we don't know what the correct progression is on their reads or any of that shit. We can make assumptions, and obviously a good example is Jake Browning just from everything we had heard about him.dnc said:
I think this is probably true, but I would imagine there are some hints as far as to whether a kid is simply a one read guy, decision making, his leadership skills, etc.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Yeah, obviously brain for a QB matters. But there is no way for us to know a kids brain in regards to football intelligence. That's one where you have to #TrustTheCoaches.
FWIW it seems that Sirmon has some leadership in him. He seems to enjoy recruiting and the other recruits seem to like him. That's not all there is to being a leader (see Williams, Troy), but it suggests he has the type of personality that could lead if he uses it correctly.
In regards to Sirmon and his leadership, I fully agree that he has it in him. But he really needs to figure it out because the things I saw in games were very concerning (berating players, body language, etc.) and if I/we are seeing those things, there is no doubt Pete and staff see them too. Plus Pete through his process gets as much information as possible from people around these recruits.
Sirmon can be a total alpha dog and a great leader, but you can't be an asshole to your teammates and expect to be a leader. I think once Lubick came in the coaches knew they could get in on Yankoff and they see him as an insurance policy with Sirmon and his question marks. Sirmon is without question one of the most talented QB's I've seen out of WA, but I think this puts him in a spot the coaches wanted to put him in.
We were going to have ZERO competition for Sirmon if we didn't take another QB this year. So basically the coaches have put themselves in a win-win situation with the following scenarios:
1) Sirmon stays committed, comes in and competes against DBG and Yankoff as a RS-Frosh to start. The winner of that competition will be fucking legit.
2) Sirmon decommits and the coaches are now aware that he likely didn't have the capacity to be a true leader of the team. Still have Yankoff in the fold.
In no way do I believe the coaches want to see Sirmon go, I just think they actually want to see if he's all about this or not.
TL;DR FML
Yankoff isn't an insurance policy. He has offers from all over the country and is simply a better QB at this point. Sirmon wouldn't put up big numbers against Camas and Folsom like Yankoff did.
To your point above #1.... If/When Sirmon leaves, we will have ZERO competition for Yankoff. It's the same situation except with Yankoff instead of Sirmon.
And Sirmon will decommit.
And I understand it's the same spot if Sirmon leaves, but at least then the coaches knew what they were dealing with in Sirmon.
The reality is we basically fucked the pooch the last two years and that is why we are where we are. -
I guess TL;DR...
The coaches are making a run at QB abundance right now and hoping it works. If not, so be it. -
Pumpy triple post time:
I love Pete. Going for gold here and just cut throat as shit. -
Me too. I also think Yankoff is going to be amazing.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Pumpy triple post time:
I love Pete. Going for gold here and just cut throat as shit.
Not sure if he has as good of an arm, but he reminds me of Darnold in the sense he's a passer that can run well. I really see a perfect fit for our offense. -
Mechanics, footwork, etc. are all elements that lead into arm strength and the ability to make all the throws ...
Some are trying to make way too much out of things here
