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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,196 Standard Supporter
    Trump can trump BHO's executive orders by issuing his own EO's to repeal them. Ain't it great?
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,617 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    I'm just glad conservatives can stop pretending they care about executive orders again.

    Nope, they still piss me off. It's my biggest fear with Trump. He's a guy who's gotten whatever he's wanted his whole life, he's always had people to do his bidding and when he didn't, he fired them and hired ones who would. He's not a guy who's ever had to work with others, or hell, with a process at all. He's not going to be patient enough to wait for the GOP Congress to do what he wants done, so he's just going to do it himself. Once the GOP inevitably loses Congress thanks to him it's only going to get worse.
    As long as the 'protestors' keep looting and burning and acting like spoiled brats, the GOP lead in Congress will continue to grow.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    ^ THIS @dnc is yet another example of why those of us who decry that our once honorable party has been hijacked by religious fundies and goof ball ideologues are not celebrating in the streets.

    The bounce back after he's done could be staggering, paving the way for a Bernie -level socialist to finally make it all the way. The concern, in short, is that Trump will fuck it up the too much.

    When the poor white trash in the Grays Harbor and Mason counties of the country don't have a black guy to fire at anymore, and then begin to realize they have as much in common with a prep school educated Manhattan developer as they do with the man on the moon, they'll flip back to whomever the Dems throw at them. All they'll have to do is learn the lesson Hillary learned the hard way: say the word "jobs" early and often, promise you'll return the free benies Trump took away, don't mention immigration at all, lie about taxes, say something about a swamp, and for all that is holy, don't parade around or connect your candidacy with a black dude married to an uppity black woman.

    If they do all that, and they will, the poor white trash will put them right back in power.

    And then we're good and fucked and will live like the Swedes in no time.

    McConnell, Ryan and Donnie are TERRIBLE Republicans. I need my party to get back to the point where a dummy like Rubio with no chops can't rise to leadership. Where the religious loons like Cruz are kept in a fringe box. Fuck these guys make Rand Paul seem resosonable.

    as someone who would want that.
    this is my silver lining. the lunatics can only stay in power for so long.
  • Mosster47Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    ^ THIS @dnc is yet another example of why those of us who decry that our once honorable party has been hijacked by religious fundies and goof ball ideologues are not celebrating in the streets.

    The bounce back after he's done could be staggering, paving the way for a Bernie -level socialist to finally make it all the way. The concern, in short, is that Trump will fuck it up the too much.

    When the poor white trash in the Grays Harbor and Mason counties of the country don't have a black guy to fire at anymore, and then begin to realize they have as much in common with a prep school educated Manhattan developer as they do with the man on the moon, they'll flip back to whomever the Dems throw at them. All they'll have to do is learn the lesson Hillary learned the hard way: say the word "jobs" early and often, promise you'll return the free benies Trump took away, don't mention immigration at all, lie about taxes, say something about a swamp, and for all that is holy, don't parade around or connect your candidacy with a black dude married to an uppity black woman.

    If they do all that, and they will, the poor white trash will put them right back in power.

    And then we're good and fucked and will live like the Swedes in no time.

    McConnell, Ryan and Donnie are TERRIBLE Republicans. I need my party to get back to the point where a dummy like Rubio with no chops can't rise to leadership. Where the religious loons like Cruz are kept in a fringe box. Fuck these guys make Rand Paul seem resosonable.

    America just elected Pat Buchanon essentially.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    Mosster47 said:

    ^ THIS @dnc is yet another example of why those of us who decry that our once honorable party has been hijacked by religious fundies and goof ball ideologues are not celebrating in the streets.

    The bounce back after he's done could be staggering, paving the way for a Bernie -level socialist to finally make it all the way. The concern, in short, is that Trump will fuck it up the too much.

    When the poor white trash in the Grays Harbor and Mason counties of the country don't have a black guy to fire at anymore, and then begin to realize they have as much in common with a prep school educated Manhattan developer as they do with the man on the moon, they'll flip back to whomever the Dems throw at them. All they'll have to do is learn the lesson Hillary learned the hard way: say the word "jobs" early and often, promise you'll return the free benies Trump took away, don't mention immigration at all, lie about taxes, say something about a swamp, and for all that is holy, don't parade around or connect your candidacy with a black dude married to an uppity black woman.

    If they do all that, and they will, the poor white trash will put them right back in power.

    And then we're good and fucked and will live like the Swedes in no time.

    McConnell, Ryan and Donnie are TERRIBLE Republicans. I need my party to get back to the point where a dummy like Rubio with no chops can't rise to leadership. Where the religious loons like Cruz are kept in a fringe box. Fuck these guys make Rand Paul seem resosonable.

    America just elected Pat Buchanon essentially.
    They have basically zero in common except the Republican Party.
  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 36,952 Founders Club

    dnc said:

    I'm just glad conservatives can stop pretending they care about executive orders again.

    Nope, they still piss me off. It's my biggest fear with Trump. He's a guy who's gotten whatever he's wanted his whole life, he's always had people to do his bidding and when he didn't, he fired them and hired ones who would. He's not a guy who's ever had to work with others, or hell, with a process at all. He's not going to be patient enough to wait for the GOP Congress to do what he wants done, so he's just going to do it himself. Once the GOP inevitably loses Congress thanks to him it's only going to get worse.
    As long as the 'protestors' keep looting and burning and acting like spoiled brats, the GOP lead in Congress will continue to grow.
    Well at least the Democrats still won the Presidency.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,978
    PurpleJ said:

    dnc said:

    I'm just glad conservatives can stop pretending they care about executive orders again.

    Nope, they still piss me off. It's my biggest fear with Trump. He's a guy who's gotten whatever he's wanted his whole life, he's always had people to do his bidding and when he didn't, he fired them and hired ones who would. He's not a guy who's ever had to work with others, or hell, with a process at all. He's not going to be patient enough to wait for the GOP Congress to do what he wants done, so he's just going to do it himself. Once the GOP inevitably loses Congress thanks to him it's only going to get worse.
    As long as the 'protestors' keep looting and burning and acting like spoiled brats, the GOP lead in Congress will continue to grow.
    Well at least the Democrats still won the Presidency.
    You're not helping Che.
  • HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,600
    Good analysis. Let's not forget that Obama and Hillary helped create Trump's rise by not giving enough attention the interior of the country and pushing race, gender, and immigration status which alienated many voters sick of talking about it.

    I'd like to point out to @dnc that the ACA / Obamacare was passed without any Congressional Republican support due to a budget trick called Reconciliation. Never had such a new / substantial entitlement been passed without at least 67 to 70% of the Senate. So while I don't agree with the gratuitous use of executive orders and think he should have waited longer, he and Republicans are undoing what they believe shouldn't have been passed in the first place. Whatever they propose will have to go through Congress again and will have to get Democratic votes to pass (moderate Dems in states that voted for Trump).

    Mosster47 said:

    ^ THIS @dnc is yet another example of why those of us who decry that our once honorable party has been hijacked by religious fundies and goof ball ideologues are not celebrating in the streets.

    The bounce back after he's done could be staggering, paving the way for a Bernie -level socialist to finally make it all the way. The concern, in short, is that Trump will fuck it up the too much.

    When the poor white trash in the Grays Harbor and Mason counties of the country don't have a black guy to fire at anymore, and then begin to realize they have as much in common with a prep school educated Manhattan developer as they do with the man on the moon, they'll flip back to whomever the Dems throw at them. All they'll have to do is learn the lesson Hillary learned the hard way: say the word "jobs" early and often, promise you'll return the free benies Trump took away, don't mention immigration at all, lie about taxes, say something about a swamp, and for all that is holy, don't parade around or connect your candidacy with a black dude married to an uppity black woman.

    If they do all that, and they will, the poor white trash will put them right back in power.

    And then we're good and fucked and will live like the Swedes in no time.

    McConnell, Ryan and Donnie are TERRIBLE Republicans. I need my party to get back to the point where a dummy like Rubio with no chops can't rise to leadership. Where the religious loons like Cruz are kept in a fringe box. Fuck these guys make Rand Paul seem resosonable.

    America just elected Pat Buchanon essentially.
    Eh, not so sure.

    Donnie is not a religious fundie. Those dudes are a breed apart and you really need to keep an eye on 'em. They're fucking banana mystics who have more in common with radical Islam than they do w/ me. When you start making policy based on shit you read in a 2,000 year old book or that came to you in a dream, you're a fucking banana.

    That's not Donnie. Donnie was an average kid with average abilities who happened to be born to a father who was hungry, relatively intelligent, hard working and brass balled - and a little lucky. The fact that he attended Wharton is of no relevance - back then it wasn't like it is today - money could buy you into any school, and that's how Donnie got to Penn. If he'd been academically gifted, he'd have gone to Harvard or Princeton or Yale. In those days, Penn was the blue collar school of the Ivy League. Now it's Cornell.

    Back to the point - he's a guy who, as @dnc pointed out, by accident of his birth, is very used to getting whatever he wants, and he is also a guy who doesn't seem to be aware of his own mortality. 70 year old dudes who are still vein and afraid of being bald are just mentally somewhere else. This is not the even-tempered, good judgement man you want in the chair. He's a competitive, immature, somewhat-but-not-super smart, supremely self-indulgent, Brooklyn smart ass who, despite his wealth, age, position and good fortune in life, is still just a little insecure. I have the sense that he was once quite a splash as a decent-looking eligible bachelor among the Manhattan elite, but somehow over time morphed into a clown to those people. I think his ego is still locked in on that 80s time in his life.

    And, we all know he doesn't really know what he's doing. His self-indulgence will make him eat voraciously for a while as this very novel experience keeps him distracted, and that will be ok, because everyone is still in such shock that nothing he does will phase. The protesters will keep on protesting the fact that he's even there, and his supporters will watch and wonder when it's time for them to jump from the train. But they'll all conclude it's too early right now. Eventually, though, Donnie will get bored and start shitting the bed in some way, shape or form. That's when it's going to hit the fan - that's when even the real right wingers will start to scurry from the sinking ship.

    But if you think Donald J. Trump gives two shits about God or abortion, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    The Dems lost because they chose a shit candidate and no good candidate stepped up better than the shit candidate. Trump's win was like when the Rams beat the Browns.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,978
    edited January 2017
    2001400ex said:

    The Dems lost because they chose a shit candidate and no good candidate stepped up better than the shit candidate. Trump's win was like when the Rams beat the Browns.

    Disagree. If you are a liberal democrat, Hillary is a fine candidate.

    They lost because they mangled the campaign. Period. She is perfectly electable. She's just a shitty showman and she pandered to her party's current "obsession with cultural issues." That and the mangling of the immigration issue is what killed her.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    The Dems lost because they chose a shit candidate and no good candidate stepped up better than the shit candidate. Trump's win was like when the Rams beat the Browns.

    Disagree. If you are a liberal democrat, Hillary is a fine candidate.

    They lost because they mangled the campaign. Period. She is perfectly electable. She's just a shitty showman and she pandered to her party's current "obsession with cultural issues." That and the mangling of the immigration issue is what killed her.
    Any liberal would tell you that Hillary is not a liberal. She made to many mistakes in the campaign to discuss. And I don't think the rust belt States that elected her were ready for a female president.
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