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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,479 Founders Club

    I wonder why the democrats lost with such a great message.

    It sounds like you think government needs to provide meaningless jobs to people.

    Communist.
    Whoosh

    I voted for the capitalist
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I don't look to the president as my savior. Hope this helps.

    I'll win whether he does or not

    I don't look for him to be a saviour, but I do look to him to not be a massive liability to national security, hth. The troll job the Russians are putting on us right now is only the beginning.
    I think you're being trolled about the Russian troll job

    It's not the beginning. It's the end of the temper tantrum by the democrats
    Regardless of the infinite trolling loop and what the Russians did/did not do, I believe Putin to be an extremely dangerous person who could not give a single fuck about US interests unless they mutually benefit Russia. Water is wet, I know, but the difference is I believe Trump will be manipulated into serving Russian interests as opposed to negotiating something of actual value to the US in those situations. Putin wipes his ass with the Art of the Deal.
    I do think the troll job by them is legit and not “fake news” or donkeys being sore losers. And I don’t think Trump could hold’s Putin’s jockstrap when it comes to the chess game that is geopoliticking. Who knows – maybe he’ll get some good advice and we can improve our position vis-à-vis mother Russia.

    A few things that I think would help to this end:

    1) We need invest massively in R&D spending on defense. It is our superior technological edge with all things military that will keep the Russians and Chinese inline. We have been losing ground massively in this regard in the past number of years and this is a major reason why both countries are being such a pain in the ass. They both need to know if they fuck with the big dawg we will mess them up. Remember it was our technological edge – not the number of tanks or planes we had – that cowed the Soviets into submission in the 1980’s.

    2) Saying NATO is obsolete is FS; we need to keep our western alliance’s together. But we need to realize that any talk about expanding NATO into places like Ukraine or Georgia was stupid. We should have been content with the Warsaw Pact countries and called it good. Part of our challenges with Putin is that we poked the bear to hard by not letting them have their buffer zone in the former Soviet Republics. Places like Ukraine have been part of Russian for centuries and are half Russian anyhow. We should have let them have a pro Moscow regime in Ukraine and shut up about promoting a pro-European government there. Small price to pay for not poking the bear.
    We spend like $700 billion a year on defense and like $60 billion on food stamps. We spend way more on defense than any other nation. Money is not the problem with defense.

    We can bomb people oversees with drones while sitting in a cozy office. Technology isn't the problem.

    The problem is people believing fear mongering bullshit and succumbing to fallacies like amount of dollars spent on defense equates to strength.
    And Russia quit being a superpower because they became nice all the sudden? No they were fucking broke!
    I thought Russia stopped being a super power when Reagan looked into Gorbachev's soul and broke him.
    Broke him monetarily.
    Actually their fucked up combination of communism and social engineering combined with the crash of oil prices broke Russia.
    Oh, is that all? They were that close to making it.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    So, our EXXON/Mobile Sec State defeated Russia?
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,279 Founders Club
    doogie said:

    So, our EXXON/Mobile Sec State defeated Russia?

    *USSR .... he still has an at bat with the Russians all by their lonesome.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Just lIke showing a stadium an hour before kickoff
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,279 Founders Club

    Remember when Boobs was a Gary Johnson supporter and hated Hillary?

    I don't.

    He was among the Hillary Johnson supporters in here.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Boobs favored Hillary's Johnson, not Hillary Johnson.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,944 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    I don't look to the president as my savior. Hope this helps.

    I'll win whether he does or not

    I don't look for him to be a saviour, but I do look to him to not be a massive liability to national security, hth. The troll job the Russians are putting on us right now is only the beginning.
    I think you're being trolled about the Russian troll job

    It's not the beginning. It's the end of the temper tantrum by the democrats
    Regardless of the infinite trolling loop and what the Russians did/did not do, I believe Putin to be an extremely dangerous person who could not give a single fuck about US interests unless they mutually benefit Russia. Water is wet, I know, but the difference is I believe Trump will be manipulated into serving Russian interests as opposed to negotiating something of actual value to the US in those situations. Putin wipes his ass with the Art of the Deal.
    I do think the troll job by them is legit and not “fake news” or donkeys being sore losers. And I don’t think Trump could hold’s Putin’s jockstrap when it comes to the chess game that is geopoliticking. Who knows – maybe he’ll get some good advice and we can improve our position vis-à-vis mother Russia.

    A few things that I think would help to this end:

    1) We need invest massively in R&D spending on defense. It is our superior technological edge with all things military that will keep the Russians and Chinese inline. We have been losing ground massively in this regard in the past number of years and this is a major reason why both countries are being such a pain in the ass. They both need to know if they fuck with the big dawg we will mess them up. Remember it was our technological edge – not the number of tanks or planes we had – that cowed the Soviets into submission in the 1980’s.

    2) Saying NATO is obsolete is FS; we need to keep our western alliance’s together. But we need to realize that any talk about expanding NATO into places like Ukraine or Georgia was stupid. We should have been content with the Warsaw Pact countries and called it good. Part of our challenges with Putin is that we poked the bear to hard by not letting them have their buffer zone in the former Soviet Republics. Places like Ukraine have been part of Russian for centuries and are half Russian anyhow. We should have let them have a pro Moscow regime in Ukraine and shut up about promoting a pro-European government there. Small price to pay for not poking the bear.
    We spend like $700 billion a year on defense and like $60 billion on food stamps. We spend way more on defense than any other nation. Money is not the problem with defense.

    We can bomb people oversees with drones while sitting in a cozy office. Technology isn't the problem.

    The problem is people believing fear mongering bullshit and succumbing to fallacies like amount of dollars spent on defense equates to strength.
    I have no issue with spending on social programs like Food Stamps. How we spend the money is part of the problem with defense. We wasted too much of our defense budget on Iraq/Afghanistan - i.e., $5 trillion - at the expense of investing more in cutting edge military technology. Drones are cool and all but that's not what I'm referring too in terms of attempting to maintain a huge technological lead over our adversaries. Two examples:

    1- The Russians have been developing surface to air missile systems that are scary good and might be able to shoot down our stealth planes. What happens if they sell these to Iran? Every bad actor out there needs to know we can get our bomber to the target if need be, otherwise, we don't have the necessary leverage to make them stop doing stupid shit.

    2- It's well know that China is developing a capability to have surface to ship missiles that can potentially take out an aircraft carrier within 500 miles of their coast. This is partly why they are being such dicks about the South China Sea. We have to be able to figure out a way to negate this kind of technology.

    Not trying to sound like a war monger here, but we all know Russia and China are never going to be our friends. And we need to dissuade them from risky behavior by keeping our technological lead 20- 30 years ahead of them. Yes, I know - Beware The Military Industrial Complex - but it's a necessary evil unfortunately. And sometimes you get cool shit as a result of all the R&D spending. Where do you think this interwebs thing came from that we're enjoying here?
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,944 Founders Club

    Trump looked pretty strong against the 17 career politicians he dusted off. He was out spent by all of them

    Reagan was an actor yet had tremendous strength in dealing with the Soviets, unlike the brilliant Carter

    We aren't going to war with a nuclear power over the Ukraine or Syria. The game is to bluff them out of there. Obama blew that. Now they are in and we need to clean up the mess. Trump is better suited for that than a tool like Hillary would have been since she actually is compromised by the Russians and the Chinese.

    Trump was the only choice. It's logical captain

    The Trump - Reagan comparison doesn't work well in my view. The Gipper came into office having spent 2 terms as big time governor; he ran for POTUS several times before unsuccessfully. The country knew what it was going to get with him and it wasn't a big shit show. In hindsight, Trump seems like some kind of intuitive political genius because of what he stumbled onto, but I don't buy the "dumb like fox" argument about him.
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326

    I don't look to the president as my savior. Hope this helps.

    I'll win whether he does or not

    I don't look for him to be a saviour, but I do look to him to not be a massive liability to national security, hth. The troll job the Russians are putting on us right now is only the beginning.
    I think you're being trolled about the Russian troll job

    It's not the beginning. It's the end of the temper tantrum by the democrats
    Thankfully, their temper tantrum is far from ending. Once tax cuts and deregulation unleash crash the economy, they will go from beat red to purple with bloodshot bulging eyeballs. popcorn.gif
  • dhdawgdhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    good to see southerndawg still believes in the myth of reaganomics. a useful idiot for the rich
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,876 Standard Supporter

    2001400ex said:

    I don't look to the president as my savior. Hope this helps.

    I'll win whether he does or not

    I don't look for him to be a saviour, but I do look to him to not be a massive liability to national security, hth. The troll job the Russians are putting on us right now is only the beginning.
    I think you're being trolled about the Russian troll job

    It's not the beginning. It's the end of the temper tantrum by the democrats
    Regardless of the infinite trolling loop and what the Russians did/did not do, I believe Putin to be an extremely dangerous person who could not give a single fuck about US interests unless they mutually benefit Russia. Water is wet, I know, but the difference is I believe Trump will be manipulated into serving Russian interests as opposed to negotiating something of actual value to the US in those situations. Putin wipes his ass with the Art of the Deal.
    I do think the troll job by them is legit and not “fake news” or donkeys being sore losers. And I don’t think Trump could hold’s Putin’s jockstrap when it comes to the chess game that is geopoliticking. Who knows – maybe he’ll get some good advice and we can improve our position vis-à-vis mother Russia.

    A few things that I think would help to this end:

    1) We need invest massively in R&D spending on defense. It is our superior technological edge with all things military that will keep the Russians and Chinese inline. We have been losing ground massively in this regard in the past number of years and this is a major reason why both countries are being such a pain in the ass. They both need to know if they fuck with the big dawg we will mess them up. Remember it was our technological edge – not the number of tanks or planes we had – that cowed the Soviets into submission in the 1980’s.

    2) Saying NATO is obsolete is FS; we need to keep our western alliance’s together. But we need to realize that any talk about expanding NATO into places like Ukraine or Georgia was stupid. We should have been content with the Warsaw Pact countries and called it good. Part of our challenges with Putin is that we poked the bear to hard by not letting them have their buffer zone in the former Soviet Republics. Places like Ukraine have been part of Russian for centuries and are half Russian anyhow. We should have let them have a pro Moscow regime in Ukraine and shut up about promoting a pro-European government there. Small price to pay for not poking the bear.
    We spend like $700 billion a year on defense and like $60 billion on food stamps. We spend way more on defense than any other nation. Money is not the problem with defense.

    We can bomb people oversees with drones while sitting in a cozy office. Technology isn't the problem.

    The problem is people believing fear mongering bullshit and succumbing to fallacies like amount of dollars spent on defense equates to strength.
    I have no issue with spending on social programs like Food Stamps. How we spend the money is part of the problem with defense. We wasted too much of our defense budget on Iraq/Afghanistan - i.e., $5 trillion - at the expense of investing more in cutting edge military technology. Drones are cool and all but that's not what I'm referring too in terms of attempting to maintain a huge technological lead over our adversaries. Two examples:

    1- The Russians have been developing surface to air missile systems that are scary good and might be able to shoot down our stealth planes. What happens if they sell these to Iran? Every bad actor out there needs to know we can get our bomber to the target if need be, otherwise, we don't have the necessary leverage to make them stop doing stupid shit.

    2- It's well know that China is developing a capability to have surface to ship missiles that can potentially take out an aircraft carrier within 500 miles of their coast. This is partly why they are being such dicks about the South China Sea. We have to be able to figure out a way to negate this kind of technology.

    Not trying to sound like a war monger here, but we all know Russia and China are never going to be our friends. And we need to dissuade them from risky behavior by keeping our technological lead 20- 30 years ahead of them. Yes, I know - Beware The Military Industrial Complex - but it's a necessary evil unfortunately. And sometimes you get cool shit as a result of all the R&D spending. Where do you think this interwebs thing came from that we're enjoying here?
    Unfortunately those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Mention "The Great Game" to anyone under 30 and their faces freeze with eyes glazed over. "Like, What?"
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,876 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    good to see southerndawg still believes in the myth of reaganomics. a useful idiot for the rich

    You just don't want America to be great again.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,529 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    good to see southerndawg still believes in the myth of reaganomics. a useful idiot for the rich

    I'd fucking kill for a decade like the 80's again.

    Opportunities for all, massive social change, great fucking music.

  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,876 Standard Supporter

    dhdawg said:

    good to see southerndawg still believes in the myth of reaganomics. a useful idiot for the rich

    I'd fucking kill for a decade like the 80's again.

    Opportunities for all, massive social change, great fucking music.

    Politics were kinda boring in the 70's, but the music > 80's IMO.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,944 Founders Club

    2001400ex said:

    I don't look to the president as my savior. Hope this helps.

    I'll win whether he does or not

    I don't look for him to be a saviour, but I do look to him to not be a massive liability to national security, hth. The troll job the Russians are putting on us right now is only the beginning.
    I think you're being trolled about the Russian troll job

    It's not the beginning. It's the end of the temper tantrum by the democrats
    Regardless of the infinite trolling loop and what the Russians did/did not do, I believe Putin to be an extremely dangerous person who could not give a single fuck about US interests unless they mutually benefit Russia. Water is wet, I know, but the difference is I believe Trump will be manipulated into serving Russian interests as opposed to negotiating something of actual value to the US in those situations. Putin wipes his ass with the Art of the Deal.
    I do think the troll job by them is legit and not “fake news” or donkeys being sore losers. And I don’t think Trump could hold’s Putin’s jockstrap when it comes to the chess game that is geopoliticking. Who knows – maybe he’ll get some good advice and we can improve our position vis-à-vis mother Russia.

    A few things that I think would help to this end:

    1) We need invest massively in R&D spending on defense. It is our superior technological edge with all things military that will keep the Russians and Chinese inline. We have been losing ground massively in this regard in the past number of years and this is a major reason why both countries are being such a pain in the ass. They both need to know if they fuck with the big dawg we will mess them up. Remember it was our technological edge – not the number of tanks or planes we had – that cowed the Soviets into submission in the 1980’s.

    2) Saying NATO is obsolete is FS; we need to keep our western alliance’s together. But we need to realize that any talk about expanding NATO into places like Ukraine or Georgia was stupid. We should have been content with the Warsaw Pact countries and called it good. Part of our challenges with Putin is that we poked the bear to hard by not letting them have their buffer zone in the former Soviet Republics. Places like Ukraine have been part of Russian for centuries and are half Russian anyhow. We should have let them have a pro Moscow regime in Ukraine and shut up about promoting a pro-European government there. Small price to pay for not poking the bear.
    We spend like $700 billion a year on defense and like $60 billion on food stamps. We spend way more on defense than any other nation. Money is not the problem with defense.

    We can bomb people oversees with drones while sitting in a cozy office. Technology isn't the problem.

    The problem is people believing fear mongering bullshit and succumbing to fallacies like amount of dollars spent on defense equates to strength.
    I have no issue with spending on social programs like Food Stamps. How we spend the money is part of the problem with defense. We wasted too much of our defense budget on Iraq/Afghanistan - i.e., $5 trillion - at the expense of investing more in cutting edge military technology. Drones are cool and all but that's not what I'm referring too in terms of attempting to maintain a huge technological lead over our adversaries. Two examples:

    1- The Russians have been developing surface to air missile systems that are scary good and might be able to shoot down our stealth planes. What happens if they sell these to Iran? Every bad actor out there needs to know we can get our bomber to the target if need be, otherwise, we don't have the necessary leverage to make them stop doing stupid shit.

    2- It's well know that China is developing a capability to have surface to ship missiles that can potentially take out an aircraft carrier within 500 miles of their coast. This is partly why they are being such dicks about the South China Sea. We have to be able to figure out a way to negate this kind of technology.

    Not trying to sound like a war monger here, but we all know Russia and China are never going to be our friends. And we need to dissuade them from risky behavior by keeping our technological lead 20- 30 years ahead of them. Yes, I know - Beware The Military Industrial Complex - but it's a necessary evil unfortunately. And sometimes you get cool shit as a result of all the R&D spending. Where do you think this interwebs thing came from that we're enjoying here?
    Unfortunately those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Mention "The Great Game" to anyone under 30 and their faces freeze with eyes glazed over. "Like, What?"
    Nail on the head. I'll given you 3 guess as to what I majored in at UW and you're first two don't count...ha, ha.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 34,944 Founders Club

    dhdawg said:

    good to see southerndawg still believes in the myth of reaganomics. a useful idiot for the rich

    I'd fucking kill for a decade like the 80's again.

    Opportunities for all, massive social change, great fucking music.

    Politics were kinda boring in the 70's, but the music > 80's IMO.
    Watergate and all was pretty boring...

    60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music > 00's music. Some kind of trend there.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,529 Standard Supporter

    dhdawg said:

    good to see southerndawg still believes in the myth of reaganomics. a useful idiot for the rich

    I'd fucking kill for a decade like the 80's again.

    Opportunities for all, massive social change, great fucking music.

    Politics were kinda boring in the 70's, but the music > 80's IMO.
    Watergate and all was pretty boring...

    60's music > 70's music > 80's music > 90's music > 00's music. Some kind of trend there.
    Fuck that.

    80's music > 70's music > 60's music > 90's music >00's music.

    ISFRYK
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