His highest Tax bracket was low 50's and almost everyone's taxes would not have gone up at all actually
Quick name a socialist regime in power that was honest? Can't run Bernies plan on 50%. As I've said to others if you want to give away money I'll willingly accept it.
Sweden.
Your turn.
Name a capitalist regime that was honest.
Not Sweden. Ask the women. Not a real socialist country anyway.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
Just like you think you'd be safe & sound in national socialism, I'd like to think I'd be OK! in anarchy.
Your fucknut buddies in the blalallalalalalalalalalalklavas would be shot dead in seconds with impunity by Starbucks Security in the anarchic system they seek.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
The government printing money is the biggest problem. We have so many regulations and laws I doubt we really know how many there are. Deregulation since the 30's? Don't see it. The government is the only unrestrained one.
I fucked up the quotes and forgot what I was gonna say and who I was responding to. But I'm pretty sure the point I was gonna make is that I'm definitely right about everything I posted in this thread.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
The government printing money is the biggest problem. We have so many regulations and laws I doubt we really know how many there are. Deregulation since the 30's? Don't see it. The government is the only unrestrained one.
Since the 30s? Where did you read that? The great depression in 1929 started a period of regulation from then through the 70s. When those regulations were rolled back from early 80s through 2008.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
Just like you think you'd be safe & sound in national socialism, I'd like to think I'd be OK! in anarchy.
Your fucknut buddies in the blalallalalalalalalalalalklavas would be shot dead in seconds with impunity by Starbucks Security in the anarchic system they seek.
I'm actually searching for 80s communist Russia. They were tuff.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
The government printing money is the biggest problem. We have so many regulations and laws I doubt we really know how many there are. Deregulation since the 30's? Don't see it. The government is the only unrestrained one.
Since the 30s? Where did you read that? The great depression in 1929 started a period of regulation from then through the 70s. When those regulations were rolled back from early 80s through 2008.
Clearly history is lost on you.
1980's not sure how I got a 3vin there. The biggest most damaging deregulation was forcing banks into loaning people money to buy homes that they could not repay. Carter started it, Clinton expanded it. The banks then sold the notes because they paid higher interest rate than was generally available. This drove the housing bubble and collapse which greatly contributed to the recession. It wasn't Ronnie.
Ah the anti government people just showed up. I like it. Yes government is shitty. Yes taxes suck. Yes some regulations are bullshit. But this is a fact: Government is a necessary evil. I'm with ya on arguing that government is too intrusive and other shit. But you can't argue that corporations will act in the people's best interest.
We agree that government is evil, but how do we know it's necessary when we haven't tried going without?
Even grundle sees how fucktarded that is. First, do you think or current government has been here since the 1700s? There was barely even a currency or formal taxation then. Second, we had a period of deregulation from the beginning of Reagan's term that ended in 2008. The result was the worst recession since 1930.
If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
The government printing money is the biggest problem. We have so many regulations and laws I doubt we really know how many there are. Deregulation since the 30's? Don't see it. The government is the only unrestrained one.
Since the 30s? Where did you read that? The great depression in 1929 started a period of regulation from then through the 70s. When those regulations were rolled back from early 80s through 2008.
Clearly history is lost on you.
1980's not sure how I got a 3vin there. The biggest most damaging deregulation was forcing banks into loaning people money to buy homes that they could not repay. Carter started it, Clinton expanded it. The banks then sold the notes because they paid higher interest rate than was generally available. This drove the housing bubble and collapse which greatly contributed to the recession. It wasn't Ronnie.
And yeah, I get it...they have no sewage! There's traffic problems! Sure, every city has problems...especially in India. And honestly, they do get the sewage out via transportation, and could form a sewage system once it's profitably.
But how can you argue with the fact that so many people in India are eager to move there? It's obviously less of a shithole than all the cities that have a functional government in that country.
It's the same shit with Somalia...Somalia is a shithole, sure...but it's become LESS of a shithole since the government was all but dismantled. That's what people fail to look at...
There are no profitable sewage systems. Some Government is needed.
Pointing to shitholes like Somalia and parts of India and how they may be a little less shitty to live in than their neighbors with the same functioning government doesn't prove anything.
There will indeed need to be some sort of hybrid economy. Capitalism is all based on growth. If it can't grow, it implodes. There are only so many resources on this planet and eventually growth will stop.
Sewage systems can absolutely be profitable. Don't want to be responsible for the costs of transporting your sewage off your property? Fine, pay me a flat monthly fee, and I will run some pipes to your house that are connected to a sewage system. If you stop paying that fee, I'll close the pipes off.
It doesn't "prove" anything, but it certainly suggests that government can't improve conditions, and if anything might make things slightly worse. The Somalia example is my favorite because that country went from having a government with a relatively large role, to no government, and the standard of living increased, yet many people who disagree with me like to point out that Somalia is a shithole and has no government, as if it's the no government that makes it a shithole. Obviously there are countless things to consider to draw any conclusions.
Growth is an abstract concept. Growth can occur in many ways and in many directions. And over the course of history, humans have been able to find more efficient means to use resources. For example, look at the MPG on your average car today vs 50 years ago.
Businesses have to earn their customers. Government doesnt. Businesses have competition. Government doesn't. Which one is more likely to rape and pillage again?
If people value a rape and pillage free society, they will just not do business with people who rape and pillage.
Cause no one shops at Walmart, right? The vast majority of people will just buy the cheapest shit. Then complain that the corporations destroyed the environment.
And yes government is different than corporations. When was the last time a government dumped raw sewage in the water in the name of profit?
Rio 2016.
Why do you hate the City of Portland every time it rains more than half an inch???
And yeah, I get it...they have no sewage! There's traffic problems! Sure, every city has problems...especially in India. And honestly, they do get the sewage out via transportation, and could form a sewage system once it's profitably.
But how can you argue with the fact that so many people in India are eager to move there? It's obviously less of a shithole than all the cities that have a functional government in that country.
It's the same shit with Somalia...Somalia is a shithole, sure...but it's become LESS of a shithole since the government was all but dismantled. That's what people fail to look at...
There are no profitable sewage systems. Some Government is needed.
Pointing to shitholes like Somalia and parts of India and how they may be a little less shitty to live in than their neighbors with the same functioning government doesn't prove anything.
There will indeed need to be some sort of hybrid economy. Capitalism is all based on growth. If it can't grow, it implodes. There are only so many resources on this planet and eventually growth will stop.
Sewage systems can absolutely be profitable. Don't want to be responsible for the costs of transporting your sewage off your property? Fine, pay me a flat monthly fee, and I will run some pipes to your house that are connected to a sewage system. If you stop paying that fee, I'll close the pipes off.
It doesn't "prove" anything, but it certainly suggests that government can't improve conditions, and if anything might make things slightly worse. The Somalia example is my favorite because that country went from having a government with a relatively large role, to no government, and the standard of living increased, yet many people who disagree with me like to point out that Somalia is a shithole and has no government, as if it's the no government that makes it a shithole. Obviously there are countless things to consider to draw any conclusions.
Growth is an abstract concept. Growth can occur in many ways and in many directions. And over the course of history, humans have been able to find more efficient means to use resources. For example, look at the MPG on your average car today vs 50 years ago.
Businesses have to earn their customers. Government doesnt. Businesses have competition. Government doesn't. Which one is more likely to rape and pillage again?
If people value a rape and pillage free society, they will just not do business with people who rape and pillage.
Cause no one shops at Walmart, right? The vast majority of people will just buy the cheapest shit. Then complain that the corporations destroyed the environment.
And yes government is different than corporations. When was the last time a government dumped raw sewage in the water in the name of profit?
Rio 2016.
Why do you hate the City of Portland every time it rains more than half an inch???
His highest Tax bracket was low 50's and almost everyone's taxes would not have gone up at all actually
Quick name a socialist regime in power that was honest? Can't run Bernies plan on 50%. As I've said to others if you want to give away money I'll willingly accept it.
Then donate it to fight stupidity.
Mayne not in the low 50's. But if you cut even a portion of the absurd military budget this country is running as well as all that money we are spending locking people up for shit like smoking weed that alone would pay for a large part of his agenda.
And yeah, I get it...they have no sewage! There's traffic problems! Sure, every city has problems...especially in India. And honestly, they do get the sewage out via transportation, and could form a sewage system once it's profitably.
But how can you argue with the fact that so many people in India are eager to move there? It's obviously less of a shithole than all the cities that have a functional government in that country.
It's the same shit with Somalia...Somalia is a shithole, sure...but it's become LESS of a shithole since the government was all but dismantled. That's what people fail to look at...
There are no profitable sewage systems. Some Government is needed.
Pointing to shitholes like Somalia and parts of India and how they may be a little less shitty to live in than their neighbors with the same functioning government doesn't prove anything.
There will indeed need to be some sort of hybrid economy. Capitalism is all based on growth. If it can't grow, it implodes. There are only so many resources on this planet and eventually growth will stop.
Natural resources are commodities, the prices of which are held in check by supply and demand. Scarcity of resources is a check on resource depletion. As the supply lessens, price goes up until it becomes prohibitively expensive for that resource to be used in any profitable venture. The market is then forced to come up with a more viable alternative. We saw this when the scarcity of wood drove the market to respond with the industrial revolution in the 1800s. It will happen again with oil.
Great post and you sited one example among many. Often it is scarcity or depletion that force solutions or alternatives that are better than the original technology. Free market capitalism, with a good dose of rule by law and respect for private property- including Intellectual property, is the best way to consistently find solutions to depletion and scarcity.
Oh and he was the only primary candidate outside of rand paul who was against the nsa spying which you pointed out as such a big problem
The military budget is puny compared to our entitlement spending which would become so gigantic under socialism it would be untenable. Who the hell is in prison for smoking Pot? Drug dealers are dangerous they need to be locked up. California is turning into a bigger shit hole after letting 50,000 drugies and dealers out of prison. They're stealing anything not nailed down and alarmed.
Socialists spy, they have to in order to maintain their power. They kill and starve people to death. History has shown this again and again. 100 million dead is enough of an experiment. It can not work, never has worked and never will.
As I've said Cuba is only 90 miles off shore. Venezuela is great this time if year. If you want to live in a 3rd world shit hole please move there instead of trying to make the US one (more than it already is anyway). Remember to bring food and TP.
Socialism isn't allowed under the constitution. Any such takeover should be opposed and opposed by force if necessary.
And yeah, I get it...they have no sewage! There's traffic problems! Sure, every city has problems...especially in India. And honestly, they do get the sewage out via transportation, and could form a sewage system once it's profitably.
But how can you argue with the fact that so many people in India are eager to move there? It's obviously less of a shithole than all the cities that have a functional government in that country.
It's the same shit with Somalia...Somalia is a shithole, sure...but it's become LESS of a shithole since the government was all but dismantled. That's what people fail to look at...
There are no profitable sewage systems. Some Government is needed.
Pointing to shitholes like Somalia and parts of India and how they may be a little less shitty to live in than their neighbors with the same functioning government doesn't prove anything.
There will indeed need to be some sort of hybrid economy. Capitalism is all based on growth. If it can't grow, it implodes. There are only so many resources on this planet and eventually growth will stop.
Natural resources are commodities, the prices of which are held in check by supply and demand. Scarcity of resources is a check on resource depletion. As the supply lessens, price goes up until it becomes prohibitively expensive for that resource to be used in any profitable venture. The market is then forced to come up with a more viable alternative. We saw this when the scarcity of wood drove the market to respond with the industrial revolution in the 1800s. It will happen again with oil.
Great post and you sited one example among many. Often it is scarcity or depletion that force solutions or alternatives that are better than the original technology. Free market capitalism, with a good dose of rule by law and respect for private property- including Intellectual property, is the best way to consistently find solutions to depletion and scarcity.
CEPT THAT the population has doubled in my lifetime from 4 billion to 8 billion. You can't continue double the population every 40 years and expect to have resources to take care of even those in the richer countries. The raping of these resources at the direction of the World Bank has accelerating this even at a faster rate. The math doesn't add up. I get the whole necessity is the mother of invention argument. But the industrial revolution started here in the US and there was no shortage of wood at that time, here in the US. It wasn't until the 1980's where wood shortages became a problem due to over harvest and no replant.
You can't eat Iphones, cloud data or self driving cars. Unless there are magic bullets to be invented such AS huge advancements in energy efficiency and the ability to produce abundant food supplies in areas with little to no native water, the current system will implode upon itself.
And yeah, I get it...they have no sewage! There's traffic problems! Sure, every city has problems...especially in India. And honestly, they do get the sewage out via transportation, and could form a sewage system once it's profitably.
But how can you argue with the fact that so many people in India are eager to move there? It's obviously less of a shithole than all the cities that have a functional government in that country.
It's the same shit with Somalia...Somalia is a shithole, sure...but it's become LESS of a shithole since the government was all but dismantled. That's what people fail to look at...
There are no profitable sewage systems. Some Government is needed.
Pointing to shitholes like Somalia and parts of India and how they may be a little less shitty to live in than their neighbors with the same functioning government doesn't prove anything.
There will indeed need to be some sort of hybrid economy. Capitalism is all based on growth. If it can't grow, it implodes. There are only so many resources on this planet and eventually growth will stop.
Natural resources are commodities, the prices of which are held in check by supply and demand. Scarcity of resources is a check on resource depletion. As the supply lessens, price goes up until it becomes prohibitively expensive for that resource to be used in any profitable venture. The market is then forced to come up with a more viable alternative. We saw this when the scarcity of wood drove the market to respond with the industrial revolution in the 1800s. It will happen again with oil.
Great post and you sited one example among many. Often it is scarcity or depletion that force solutions or alternatives that are better than the original technology. Free market capitalism, with a good dose of rule by law and respect for private property- including Intellectual property, is the best way to consistently find solutions to depletion and scarcity.
CEPT THAT the population has doubled in my lifetime from 4 billion to 8 billion. You can't continue double the population every 40 years and expect to have resources to take care of even those in the richer countries. The raping of these resources at the direction of the World Bank has accelerating this even at a faster rate. The math doesn't add up. I get the whole necessity is the mother of invention argument. But the industrial revolution started here in the US and there was no shortage of wood at that time, here in the US. It wasn't until the 1980's where wood shortages became a problem due to over harvest and no replant.
You can't eat Iphones, cloud data or self driving cars. Unless there are magic bullets to be invented such AS huge advancements in energy efficiency and the ability to produce abundant food supplies in areas with little to no native water, the current system will implode upon itself.
That's exactly why America went from a new country to the most successful, with agriculture and natural resources, we could be self sustaining, and we were.
Then we added in freedom to do as you wish and invent whatever. And some government investment in infrastructure, including the hated post office.
Those all led to a formula of success.
And no @Sledog, no one of influence in America is proposing to be a socialist nation. And no entitlement spending doesn't dwarf military. You do realize that military spending is like 10 times that of food stamps, right? It's amazing how much of a dream world you live in.
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If let run loose, corporations will do anything they can to make a profit. And taxpayers are the ones left holding the bag.
The problem is finding the right balance of regulation and free market.
As I've said, no country will be successful with pure capitalism or pure communism.
Your fucknut buddies in the blalallalalalalalalalalalklavas would be shot dead in seconds with impunity by Starbucks Security in the anarchic system they seek.
I fucked up the quotes and forgot what I was gonna say and who I was responding to. But I'm pretty sure the point I was gonna make is that I'm definitely right about everything I posted in this thread.
Clearly history is lost on you.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/achievement/chap7.html
Everyone had their hand in the mess dumbfuck.
Socialists spy, they have to in order to maintain their power. They kill and starve people to death. History has shown this again and again. 100 million dead is enough of an experiment. It can not work, never has worked and never will.
As I've said Cuba is only 90 miles off shore. Venezuela is great this time if year. If you want to live in a 3rd world shit hole please move there instead of trying to make the US one (more than it already is anyway). Remember to bring food and TP.
Socialism isn't allowed under the constitution. Any such takeover should be opposed and opposed by force if necessary.
You can't eat Iphones, cloud data or self driving cars. Unless there are magic bullets to be invented such AS huge advancements in energy efficiency and the ability to produce abundant food supplies in areas with little to no native water, the current system will implode upon itself.
Then we added in freedom to do as you wish and invent whatever. And some government investment in infrastructure, including the hated post office.
Those all led to a formula of success.
And no @Sledog, no one of influence in America is proposing to be a socialist nation. And no entitlement spending doesn't dwarf military. You do realize that military spending is like 10 times that of food stamps, right? It's amazing how much of a dream world you live in.