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If you can't surround the one and dones with the right players ... it's not worth recruiting said players.
Yes, it ultimately comes back to Romar.
A lot of the guys that have left early aren't really good enough to leave early. But if they get paid then they get paid.
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Tommy...Ah forget it. I don't have enough dynamite.
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BURNTurdBuffer said:Tommy...Ah forget it. I don't have enough dynamite.
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Too much rock to blast through, Tommy. And not worth the effort.
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If they get paid then they are good enough to leave early.Tequilla said:If you can't surround the one and dones with the right players ... it's not worth recruiting said players.
Yes, it ultimately comes back to Romar.
A lot of the guys that have left early aren't really good enough to leave early. But if they get paid then they get paid.
A good coach knows how to blend one and done talent with 4 year players. You are being such a doog right now.
Apparently to win at Washington it is required to have the perfect roster of almost NBA ready upperclassmen. Oh, and they need to play at sea level and all the other reasons it's hard to win at Washington. -
Oregon had the same percentage of upperclassmen starters in their last game as did UWTequilla said:
You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.
You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats. -
Backcourt is key in the tournament. Oklahoma had SR, SR, JR, scoring 61 points today. Oregon had SO, SO, FR, scoring 23. Maybe, just maybe, @Tequilla's point has some validity.SevenEleven said:
Oregon had the same percentage of upperclassmen starters in their last game as did UWTequilla said:
You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.
You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats. -
That upperclassmen are generally better than freshman? Crazy point he's making.HuskyInAZ said:
Backcourt is key in the tournament. Oklahoma had SR, SR, JR, scoring 61 points today. Oregon had SO, SO, FR, scoring 23. Maybe, just maybe, @Tequilla's point has some validity.SevenEleven said:
Oregon had the same percentage of upperclassmen starters in their last game as did UWTequilla said:
You clearly missed the post that I made earlier in the week that showed over 70% of the starters for the Sweet 16 teams being juniors and seniors.
You can say it is FS all you want ... but the stats are the stats.
Let's employ the strategy of telling the best recruits to go elsewhere because they will only make the program worse. If you have a vertical over 30 inches, fuck you. McDonald's AA, fuck you. Fringe five/four star, fuck you.
We'll keep importing guys from Chino Hills Indiana JC and Belgium instead. -
It's a poor draft year which in large part is why Murray and Chriss are likely assured of being first round picks ...
I could go do another study of what percentage of 1st rounders actually make it to have successful NBA careers ... just because you are a 1st rounder doesn't mean you are guaranteed to have a lengthy career.
My point is really simple ... just because you can leave early and get drafted to the NBA doesn't mean that you are ready to play in the NBA. It's great that you can get your first contract ... but if you really want to get paid in the NBA (particularly with the current CBA) it's all about getting paid as much as possible for your second contract. If you are spending the balance of your first contract riding the bus between the end of the bench at the NBA level and the D League, you're not maxing out your potential for your second contract.
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Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
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Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player. -
RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason. -
But Chriss is going to get paid in the NBA therefore he's making the right decision ... or so I hearRoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.
You are either ready or not ... the money will be there if you are good enough -
I actually think people are starting to at least question Romar now. There are still plenty of sheep though.NEsnake12 said:
I can already hear it now. "He lost his 3 best players, you can't expect him to make the tourney after that!"MelloDawg said:Another year after next for Romar, regardless of outcome, unless they hire someone other than Jen Cohen
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This all boils down to the fact that romar is a terrible coach and will never again make the real tournament.
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Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason. -
Nobody is questioning Chriss's ability
The problem is that he can't stay on the court without fouling. That won't keep you on the court. That gets you down to the D League.
What most people miss about the NBA is that what separates you is your mastering of the fundamentals. Chriss's fundamentals right now absolutely suck.
The NBA is full of talented players ... many of them end up playing in Europe. They don't have time to babysit there ... both Murray and Chriss will need babysitting. -
Could you sound anymore old, bitter and white?Tequilla said:Nobody is questioning Chriss's ability
The problem is that he can't stay on the court without fouling. That won't keep you on the court. That gets you down to the D League.
What most people miss about the NBA is that what separates you is your mastering of the fundamentals. Chriss's fundamentals right now absolutely suck.
The NBA is full of talented players ... many of them end up playing in Europe. They don't have time to babysit there ... both Murray and Chriss will need babysitting. -
Pods?
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Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason. -
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there. -
Athletic ability is great in basketball ... but at the end of the day, you always take the more skilled player if the difference in athletic ability isn't significant.
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Flop them out, measure, and congratulate the winner. I see no other way to end this thread.
And besides, Tequila owes us a fucking podcast! Don't be his excuse for keeping him from it. Teq: Drop that fucker! -
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability -
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell. -
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell. -
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it. -
The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.dnc said:
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.
True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.
I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk -
Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.dnc said:
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.
True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.
I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk
Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.
Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though. -
Chriss missed more dunks than I can remember anyone other player having at UWdnc said:
Chriss didn't miss dunk after dunk either. He missed two or three. He threw down a ton of them.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
The Ross comparison is brought up because of jumping, surely you can see the correlation.dnc said:
I'm not comparing him to Terrence Ross, I'm comparing him to Terrence Jones. Ross is more athletic than Jones. Chriss doesn't have to be more athletic than Ross to be > Jones.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Do you seriously think he has a higher vertical than Terrance Ross? I don't, But testing will prove it. Ross jumped out of the gym, but yet he tested only 3 inches higher than Jones... Hmmm. I'm not sure Chris's beats him in a cone drill, what are you basing this assessment off of? Film study? Jones was faster and quicker than most of the players he faced in college as a freshman. I would post video of him out running MBA but I don't feel like looking for itdnc said:
You really don't think Chriss will have better than a 34.5 vert? Seriously?NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How can you say that? I've seen nothing that would remote suggest that given Jones was able to get to the rim at will on small forwards. He dominated MBA head to head as a freshman up and down the court. How can jones play the 3 and basically out quick everyone, but Chriss is some how quicker? Can Chriss even dribble? Jones took people off the dribble all the time. Jones created his own shots, Chriss not so muchdnc said:
Chriss is both quicker and faster than Jones as well. He's far more athletic.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Jumping ability is not the only measure of "athletic" ability. I'll pick jones with the rock in his hands facing up against another 6'10" forward any day. Terrance Ross had a 37.5 same combinednc said:
Jones had a 34.5 inch max vert at the combine. Chriss probably hits that on the standing vert. He's way more athletic than Jones. Jones was obviously more skilled as a frosh, the question is can NBA coaching get significantly more out of Chriss' raw talent? I think they will, but it might take two or three years. His ceiling is much higher than Jones'. His floor is a lot lower though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:RoadDawg55 said:
Similar players. Chriss is probably a better athlete though.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Terrance Jones >>> Chriss, especially in college
I like Chriss a lot, but setting the record for most fouls by a PAC 12 player makes me doubt his prospects of being a legitimately good NBA player.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgmxg8OF90
I'm not convinced about that in all honesty. Jones was an athletic 3 playing as a 4 in college. I would have rather had Terrance Jones as a true frosh over Chriss on this years team. I just don't see it working out for Chriss right away in the NBA for some reason.
Jones is more skilled, no argument there.
First you say how much higher Chriss can jump, when Ross only out jumped Jones by 3 inches at the combines. We all know Ross was an athletic freak, who won an NBA dunk contest. I just don't get your measurement of "athletic ability
Secondly, yes, Chriss is quicker on his feet. That's athleticism. He can't dribble. That's skill.
If you put Chriss and Jones on a flatbed and told them to race, Chriss wins rather easily everytime. If you set cones out and told them to dribble around the cones, Jones wins everytime.
The question of who will be a better player comes down to whether NBA coaching can help Chriss develop the skill that he's lacking right now. Jones is a much safer pick, I'm not denying that. He's not an elite athlete by NBA standards though. Chriss is. Whether that matters or not time will tell.
And I'm saying Chriss is noticably quicker than Jones, no film study required. He's also lighter, so that probably has something to do with it.
If Ross is known as a leader, a high flyer with a vertical leap of 37.5, I'm not sure how you can say Jones isn't as explosive with a vertical that only tested 3 inches less than Ross. While I realize these are standing vertical leaps, being only 3 inches less, is quite impressive. We will not know this until Chriss is tested at the combines. I would not be surprised to see Chriss sub 37" however.
True he is lighter. I just don't see the quickness difference.
I also don't remember seeing jones miss dunk after dunk
Those aren't standing vert numbers, those are max vert numbers.
Three inches of vert isn't insignificant. If Chriss posts a 31.5 you'll be able to say Jones has plenty more hops than he does. That won't happen though.
And 3 inch difference in "Max Vertical" is not a big difference
