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With both Sanders and Trump calling for single payer health care and increasing taxes on the wealthy

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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,108
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    Then we can all get great care like the VA

    Or, you know, Medicare.

    But it's totally moot. Single-payer is one of the most unachievable policies out there.
    Majority of Americans support a policy. Policy is completely unachievable. Candidate says system is rigged, need a political revolution. Candidate is unelectable.

    Tell me again about how we're the greatest nation on earth. Lol.
    Do you want a real answer on why single-payer is not feasible, or are you just here to bitch and moan about the status quo?
    You'd be the first person to offer a real answer.
    Then I'll shoot.

    Single-payer would first and foremost require an end to the massive medical insurance interests that exist in our country. There is simply way too much lobbying and campaign financing from these corporations to ever allow Congress to pass legislation that would effectively bankrupt their business in the United States. That alone makes single-payer a political non-starter. It's the entire reason Obamacare still caters to the industry; it would have never passed and near universal coverage would have never been achieved had it also ran counter to the interests of insurance companies.

    Looking past that, there's also the hurdle (that we wouldn't even get to face until the insurance interests are magically erased from Congress) of how politically digestible single-payer would be to the electorate as a whole. While a majority of Americans may favor single-payer in theory (I don't actually know if that's true, but I'm taking your word for it), passing such a law would eliminate their current healthcare plan and start them over from scratch. That's a tough pill to swallow for every well-to-do American who already receives excellent healthcare coverage.

    Then there's the issue of taxes, which would almost certainly have to be increased to finance a single-payer system. Of course, the rise in taxes would almost certainly be offset by the elimination of private healthcare premiums for a majority of Americans, but good luck convincing the electorate to make that connection and agree to a brand new payroll tax.

    All of that combines for one impossible piece of legislation to push through. Bernie is promising rainbows and bullshit by even putting it on his platform.
    It can't be done because money in politics. Well too bad Bernie isn't talking about that problem. Then he'd really have something.
    And that's yet another problem he can't solve, and even more smoke he's blowing up the asses of all of his supporters. Until Citizens United is overturned, nothing is going to change on that front. All he can do is appoint the most liberal justice available if a SCOTUS spot opens up. If that does eventually get overturned, then you have to actually have a Congress that's willing to pass a law that bans campaign contributions from anything other than a public fund. The GOP won't even blink an eye at that proposal. I'm guessing a lot of democrats won't either.

    Bernie is strong on ideals, and very light on actual solutions in today's political environment.
    It's almost like we need a political revolution or something.

    As long as people shrug their shoulders and say we can't, we won't.
    I actually thought about your post for awhile, which is unlike me. I hate thinking.

    You might be right. I have been looking at this Trump thing all wrong. Perhaps it doesn't matter if he can win, or if Sanders can win. Perhaps all that matters is that if they can win their respective primaries it is a huge fuck you to the political parties and their business as usual do nothing for Americans but talk bullshit. Maybe, just maybe, this could force change in this country. I am almost at the point of not even caring what the change is, just as long as it is not more of the last 30 years of jerking me off bullshit double speak.

    I am just ranting now. Fuck it.
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    PurpleJPurpleJ Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,637
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    Why can't we just have 300 million Presidents and skip the elections all together. We can all have more money and everything can be free. If someone hurts your feelings, you can say "Well fuck you I'm the President." You think Putin would be able to handle the diplomatic power wielded by 300 million Presidents? No way dude. Let's take Bernie's socialism one step further and let everyone be President. You wanna bomb Iran? Button is over there dude. Free health care? You're the boss dude. Boom! Problem solved, America.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    Then we can all get great care like the VA

    Or, you know, Medicare.

    But it's totally moot. Single-payer is one of the most unachievable policies out there.
    Majority of Americans support a policy. Policy is completely unachievable. Candidate says system is rigged, need a political revolution. Candidate is unelectable.

    Tell me again about how we're the greatest nation on earth. Lol.
    Do you want a real answer on why single-payer is not feasible, or are you just here to bitch and moan about the status quo?
    You'd be the first person to offer a real answer.
    Then I'll shoot.

    Single-payer would first and foremost require an end to the massive medical insurance interests that exist in our country. There is simply way too much lobbying and campaign financing from these corporations to ever allow Congress to pass legislation that would effectively bankrupt their business in the United States. That alone makes single-payer a political non-starter. It's the entire reason Obamacare still caters to the industry; it would have never passed and near universal coverage would have never been achieved had it also ran counter to the interests of insurance companies.

    Looking past that, there's also the hurdle (that we wouldn't even get to face until the insurance interests are magically erased from Congress) of how politically digestible single-payer would be to the electorate as a whole. While a majority of Americans may favor single-payer in theory (I don't actually know if that's true, but I'm taking your word for it), passing such a law would eliminate their current healthcare plan and start them over from scratch. That's a tough pill to swallow for every well-to-do American who already receives excellent healthcare coverage.

    Then there's the issue of taxes, which would almost certainly have to be increased to finance a single-payer system. Of course, the rise in taxes would almost certainly be offset by the elimination of private healthcare premiums for a majority of Americans, but good luck convincing the electorate to make that connection and agree to a brand new payroll tax.

    All of that combines for one impossible piece of legislation to push through. Bernie is promising rainbows and bullshit by even putting it on his platform.
    It can't be done because money in politics. Well too bad Bernie isn't talking about that problem. Then he'd really have something.
    And that's yet another problem he can't solve, and even more smoke he's blowing up the asses of all of his supporters. Until Citizens United is overturned, nothing is going to change on that front. All he can do is appoint the most liberal justice available if a SCOTUS spot opens up. If that does eventually get overturned, then you have to actually have a Congress that's willing to pass a law that bans campaign contributions from anything other than a public fund. The GOP won't even blink an eye at that proposal. I'm guessing a lot of democrats won't either.

    Bernie is strong on ideals, and very light on actual solutions in today's political environment.
    It's almost like we need a political revolution or something.

    As long as people shrug their shoulders and say we can't, we won't.
    Whether you think we can or think we can't, you're right?
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    allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
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    dnc said:

    Then we can all get great care like the VA

    Or, you know, Medicare.

    But it's totally moot. Single-payer is one of the most unachievable policies out there.
    Majority of Americans support a policy. Policy is completely unachievable. Candidate says system is rigged, need a political revolution. Candidate is unelectable.

    Tell me again about how we're the greatest nation on earth. Lol.
    Do you want a real answer on why single-payer is not feasible, or are you just here to bitch and moan about the status quo?
    You'd be the first person to offer a real answer.
    Then I'll shoot.

    Single-payer would first and foremost require an end to the massive medical insurance interests that exist in our country. There is simply way too much lobbying and campaign financing from these corporations to ever allow Congress to pass legislation that would effectively bankrupt their business in the United States. That alone makes single-payer a political non-starter. It's the entire reason Obamacare still caters to the industry; it would have never passed and near universal coverage would have never been achieved had it also ran counter to the interests of insurance companies.

    Looking past that, there's also the hurdle (that we wouldn't even get to face until the insurance interests are magically erased from Congress) of how politically digestible single-payer would be to the electorate as a whole. While a majority of Americans may favor single-payer in theory (I don't actually know if that's true, but I'm taking your word for it), passing such a law would eliminate their current healthcare plan and start them over from scratch. That's a tough pill to swallow for every well-to-do American who already receives excellent healthcare coverage.

    Then there's the issue of taxes, which would almost certainly have to be increased to finance a single-payer system. Of course, the rise in taxes would almost certainly be offset by the elimination of private healthcare premiums for a majority of Americans, but good luck convincing the electorate to make that connection and agree to a brand new payroll tax.

    All of that combines for one impossible piece of legislation to push through. Bernie is promising rainbows and bullshit by even putting it on his platform.
    It can't be done because money in politics. Well too bad Bernie isn't talking about that problem. Then he'd really have something.
    And that's yet another problem he can't solve, and even more smoke he's blowing up the asses of all of his supporters. Until Citizens United is overturned, nothing is going to change on that front. All he can do is appoint the most liberal justice available if a SCOTUS spot opens up. If that does eventually get overturned, then you have to actually have a Congress that's willing to pass a law that bans campaign contributions from anything other than a public fund. The GOP won't even blink an eye at that proposal. I'm guessing a lot of democrats won't either.

    Bernie is strong on ideals, and very light on actual solutions in today's political environment.
    It's almost like we need a political revolution or something.

    As long as people shrug their shoulders and say we can't, we won't.
    Whether you think we can or think we can't, you're right?
    My brain hurts from reading this question.
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