With both Sanders and Trump calling for single payer health care and increasing taxes on the wealthy

OZONE

...does this mean that you wingers that don't want single payer health care, and don't want your dads paying higher taxes... will become Hillary supporters?

RaceBannon

GrundleStiltzkin

RaceBannon said:

Ftfy

HFNY

In the last 10 years, I've been increasingly favoring whatever can lower the % of GDP the country spends on healthcare.

Even before the Obamacare reform, public spending on healthcare was approaching 50% and now it's more than 50% (with Medicare and Medicaid continuing to grow).

So if a single payer system, to which we are already more than halfway there, could lower the % of GDP we spend on healthcare to 14 or 15%, what's the problem? Wouldn't need to raise taxes either...it would simple be a wealth transfer from artificially over-compensated hospitals, PPOs, doctors, and plaintiffs lawyers to the Federal Government.

RaceBannon

Then we can all get great care like the VA

Southerndawg

RaceBannon said:

Then we can all get great care like the VA

Along with all the efficiency and economy of a government run program

OZONE

RaceBannon said:

Then we can all get great care like the VA

If 20+ other countries, have all figured out how to have a great, gov't run, single payer systems at a lower cost than ours -- I'm sure ours can.

Unless you doubt we are as great as some say we are...

whatshouldicareabout

OZONE said:

RaceBannon said:

Then we can all get great care like the VA

If 20+ other countries, have all figured out how to have a great, gov't run, single payer systems at a lower cost than ours -- I'm sure ours can.

Unless you doubt we are as great as some say we are...

Do you really know what a single-payer system is?

The Netherlands has arguably the best healthcare system in Europe. Are they a single-payer system? Nope. Uh, what about Germany? Nah. Japan? No. France? Nah, multi-payer as well.

There are many wealthy nations that opt for national multi-payer systems versus single-payer. The reason why a single-payer system won't work well in the US is due to its geographic diversity and medical practice. Policies and purchasing is going to be different whether you're in the East, the South, the Midwest, and out here in the West. Blah, blah, blah, I could go into more but I'm lazy, so I'll just end it here.

2001400ex

whatshouldicareabout said:

OZONE said:

RaceBannon said:

Then we can all get great care like the VA

If 20+ other countries, have all figured out how to have a great, gov't run, single payer systems at a lower cost than ours -- I'm sure ours can.

Unless you doubt we are as great as some say we are...

Do you really know what a single-payer system is?

The Netherlands has arguably the best healthcare system in Europe. Are they a single-payer system? Nope. Uh, what about Germany? Nah. Japan? No. France? Nah, multi-payer as well.

There are many wealthy nations that opt for national multi-payer systems versus single-payer. The reason why a single-payer system won't work well in the US is due to its geographic diversity and medical practice. Policies and purchasing is going to be different whether you're in the East, the South, the Midwest, and out here in the West. Blah, blah, blah, I could go into more but I'm lazy, so I'll just end it here.

Da Fuq?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_coverage_by_country

Germany has the world's oldest national social health insurance system,[66][67][68] with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Sickness Insurance Law of 1883.[69][70] The system is decentralized with private practice physicians providing ambulatory care, and independent, mostly non-profit hospitals providing the majority of inpatient care. Approximately 92% of the population is covered by a 'Statutory Health Insurance' plan, which provides a standardized level of coverage through any one of approximately 1100 public or private sickness funds. Standard insurance is funded by a combination of employee contributions, employer contributions and government subsidies on a scale determined by income level. Higher income workers sometimes choose to pay a tax and opt out of the standard plan, in favor of 'private' insurance. The latter's premiums are not linked to income level but instead to health status.

The Netherlands has a dual-level system. All primary and curative care (i.e. the family doctor service and hospitals and clinics) is financed from private compulsory insurance. Long term care for the elderly, the dying, the long term mentally ill etc. is covered by social insurance funded from taxation. According to the WHO, the health care system in the Netherlands was 62% government funded and 38% privately funded as of 2004.

Those systems are all considered "socialized medicine" by politicians and the media.

UWhuskytskeet

whatshouldicareabout said:

OZONE said:

RaceBannon said:

Then we can all get great care like the VA

If 20+ other countries, have all figured out how to have a great, gov't run, single payer systems at a lower cost than ours -- I'm sure ours can.

Unless you doubt we are as great as some say we are...

Do you really know what a single-payer system is?

The Netherlands has arguably the best healthcare system in Europe. Are they a single-payer system? Nope. Uh, what about Germany? Nah. Japan? No. France? Nah, multi-payer as well.

There are many wealthy nations that opt for national multi-payer systems versus single-payer. The reason why a single-payer system won't work well in the US is due to its geographic diversity and medical practice. Policies and purchasing is going to be different whether you're in the East, the South, the Midwest, and out here in the West. Blah, blah, blah, I could go into more but I'm lazy, so I'll just end it here.

Japan has single pay.

http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/

There is a big difference between single, two-pay (what most of the countries you listed have), and insurance mandate (what the US has). Two-tier also has coverage for everyone through the government.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-single-payer-two-tier-and-insurance-mandate-healthcare-systems

dnc

OZONE said:

...does this mean that you wingers that don't want single payer health care, and don't want your dads paying higher taxes... will become Hillary supporters?

If Trump's the GOP candidate I'm voting libertarian again. Trump is unpredictable as hell, I don't trust him to follow through with anything he's saying, good or bad.

Hillary is shady as fuck.

Bernies honest, but an honest commie is still a commie.

Fuck them all.