Pete has to win 10 games or what...? He should be fired? He's not a championship coach? He sucks?
Mark Dantonio only won 6 his third year. Then he won 3 conference titles the following 6 years. Art Briles was 7-6 his 3rd year and is 50-19 since. Fuck off with your fucking absolutes. Pete will be the coach here a long time and thats a good thing. He's doing a good job and will have success in the future.
We need to win 10 games because it would help push recruiting up a notch. Current recruiting + Pete's program is enough for us to win a league title or two in the next 10 years. We are good enough to compete for a conference title at this point (2016 and future). But if we want to be a national program again or win several titles in a short span we need to get better players.
And its not a huge difference we are talking about. Its basically being good enough to get that extra 4-5 star guy every year. If UW was 10-3 and 10-3 the past two years we get Long and maybe Eason. Maybe we steal a big time guy out of Cali like Tagaloa, Asiasi or Juarez. Over 3-4 years that shit adds up. Its a handful of guys. Get Kongbo and I really like the current class. But again, if we had enough past success we could have gotten probably 2 more big time guys.
Where would the difference be on the current roster? This is Pete's 3rd class. If he had just gotten 1 blue chip WR and 1 blue chip safety (in addition to Budda) in his first 2 classes, our chances to win the north would be 19% higher.
Comparing 2014 Washington to 2007 MSU and 2008 Baylor would be laughable coming from anybody else but from the King of SRS? Its straight up disingenuous.
Let's go to the tape and see what kind of messes CP, Briles and D'Antonio inherited, shall we? Our format shall be previous season, 4 year average.
I would graph this shit out but I'm lazy and the point should be pretty damn clear: the programs these coaches took over were in totally dissimilar situations.
Baylor before Briles was a perennial doormat. Hadn't finished in the top 25 since 1986. Had never won the Big-12 (or even their division.) Hadn't been to a bowl since 1994. Baylor was the WSU of the Big-12 sans the early-2000s Dynasty. On top of that not only did Briles need to instill a complete culture change and get his guys in there- he ran a totally unique scheme for which the current roster was not at all suited for.
Michigan State had a little more success and tradition than Baylor but prior to D'Antonio they were primarily known for choking in key moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htr2UloK-5A
They were essentially a program made up entirely of Jaydon Mickens clones. The idea that they were a program to fear was a laugher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6455_8FsJOM.
Yet we can go still deeper. You cite D'Antonio's third year record while conveniently ignoring that he went 9-4 in his second year. That schedule included OOC games vs. Notre Dame, @Cal, and a bowl loss vs. a Knowshown Moreno/Matt Stafford Georgia team that finished #10 in the nation. With UW's 2016 schedule and Pac-12 bowl alignments that is a 10 win team minimum.
Now after all this skullfucking I am tired and need to take a break. Catch your breath Chest and have a doc look at that eye. Don't throw in the towel, Round 2 coming up...
UW was 8-6 in 2014.
Stop while you're being reverse conical grated.
He was listing the previous season to Petersen taking over. 2013. Which UW was 9-4.
The thing is (and I said this in 2012 which Kim used to reference as a special year) at some point you have to start winning and competing. I think they have a shot at that next year.
There will always be excuses. The go to ones are always schedule, injuries, and youth. Other popular ones are new coach (it can be a coordinator or even a position coach, but that's rare), new system, and let's not forget weather and altitude. Boulder and Salt Lake City are both well over 4,000 feet guys.
The thing is (and I said this in 2012 which Kim used to reference as a special year) at some point you have to start winning and competing. I think they have a shot at that next year.
There will always be excuses. The go to ones are always schedule, injuries, and youth. Other popular ones are new coach (it can be a coordinator or even a position coach, but that's rare), new system, and let's not forget weather and altitude. Boulder and Salt Lake City are both well over 4,000 feet guys.
Don't forget Tucson is over 3,000 feet.
With all the elevation in the PAC its amazing anyone ever wins the conference.
The thing is (and I said this in 2012 which Kim used to reference as a special year) at some point you have to start winning and competing. I think they have a shot at that next year.
There will always be excuses. The go to ones are always schedule, injuries, and youth. Other popular ones are new coach (it can be a coordinator or even a position coach, but that's rare), new system, and let's not forget weather and altitude. Boulder and Salt Lake City are both well over 4,000 feet guys.
Don't forget Tucson is over 3,000 feet.
With all the elevation in the PAC its amazing anyone ever wins the conference.
The thing is (and I said this in 2012 which Kim used to reference as a special year) at some point you have to start winning and competing. I think they have a shot at that next year.
There will always be excuses. The go to ones are always schedule, injuries, and youth. Other popular ones are new coach (it can be a coordinator or even a position coach, but that's rare), new system, and let's not forget weather and altitude. Boulder and Salt Lake City are both well over 4,000 feet guys.
Don't forget Tucson is over 3,000 feet.
With all the elevation in the PAC its amazing anyone ever wins the conference.
AZ Stadium is probably around 2,400 feet. There are some suburbs around 3,000. Point taken though. I'm sure Doogs could point to some effect.
The thing is (and I said this in 2012 which Kim used to reference as a special year) at some point you have to start winning and competing. I think they have a shot at that next year.
There will always be excuses. The go to ones are always schedule, injuries, and youth. Other popular ones are new coach (it can be a coordinator or even a position coach, but that's rare), new system, and let's not forget weather and altitude. Boulder and Salt Lake City are both well over 4,000 feet guys.
Don't forget Tucson is over 3,000 feet.
With all the elevation in the PAC its amazing anyone ever wins the conference.
AZ Stadium is probably around 2,400 feet. There are some suburbs around 3,000. Point taken though. I'm sure Doogs could point to some effect.
I live in the area...
Alright Tucson superiority guy! Huh, TIL. I always thought Tucson was over 3k.
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There will always be excuses. The go to ones are always schedule, injuries, and youth. Other popular ones are new coach (it can be a coordinator or even a position coach, but that's rare), new system, and let's not forget weather and altitude. Boulder and Salt Lake City are both well over 4,000 feet guys.
With all the elevation in the PAC its amazing anyone ever wins the conference.
I live in the area...
Apparently Martin Stadium is at 2.5k too though.