I suspect Williams sucks just like Miles and Lindquist. Maybe he will be average at Utah, but I doubt he's going to legitimately good. We'll find out soon enough.
We'll see. Just because he committed to Utah doesn't mean he's actually good. I suspect he is though and the coaching here had a lot to do with it. He has talent. It's a shame he transferred from UW.
We'll see. Just because he committed to Utah doesn't mean he's actually good. I suspect he is though and the coaching here had a lot to do with it. He has talent. It's a shame he transferred from UW.
EWIWBI.
The classic playing both ends of the field play by Road Dawg
There's a lot of stupid in this thread ... notably from @RaceBannon ... backing Troy Williams was never a smart idea
We'll see. Just because he committed to Utah doesn't mean he's actually good. I suspect he is though and the coaching here had a lot to do with it. He has talent. It's a shame he transferred from UW.
EWIWBI.
The classic playing both ends of the field play by Road Dawg
There's a lot of stupid in this thread ... notably from @RaceBannon ... backing Troy Williams was never a smart idea
in Race's defense, he was never the sharpest tool in shed.
Like Race, I was super skeptical of the OKG shit and picking culture over talent because we've seen it all before. 99.81% of the time that shit is bullshit by insecure coaches that produces nothing.
But every once in awhile thee coach is strong enough to actually set a legitimate culture, and talented enough to develop great players within that system. And in those rare instances it's worth it to sacrifice an insubordinate player for culture, even if it costs you wins in the short term.
I didn't agree with it at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, Pete clearly knew what the fuck he was doing. The kids have bought in, they are behind the staff, and Pete's producing results.
We always say a coach gets three years to show he can win.
Pete did that.
He's not infallible, and I still question plenty of things (not going for fourth and 1 at Oregon, giving the ball to dry eyes for the game losing fumble, etc). But if Troy was as bad behind the scenes as Coker says, and that makes sense because otherwise not playing him over Miles makes no sense, then I think he made the right call not playing Williams. And Troy's chinability to hold down the starting gig at a QB wasteland like Utah only reinforces this.
I just want to point out I was the only one identifying that losing REAL String was a bigger loss than Cyler. Which is only tangential to this. But still.
I just want to point out I was the only one identifying that losing REAL String was a bigger loss than Cyler. Which is only tangential to this. But still.
Like Race, I was super skeptical of the OKG shit and picking culture over talent because we've seen it all before. 99.81% of the time that shit is bullshit by insecure coaches that produces nothing.
But every once in awhile thee coach is strong enough to actually set a legitimate culture, and talented enough to develop great players within that system. And in those rare instances it's worth it to sacrifice an insubordinate player for culture, even if it costs you wins in the short term.
I didn't agree with it at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, Pete clearly knew what the fuck he was doing. The kids have bought in, they are behind the staff, and Pete's producing results.
We always say a coach gets three years to show he can win.
Pete did that.
He's not infallible, and I still question plenty of things (not going for fourth and 1 at Oregon, giving the ball to dry eyes for the game losing fumble, etc). But if Troy was as bad behind the scenes as Coker says, and that makes sense because otherwise not playing him over Miles makes no sense, then I think he made the right call not playing Williams. And Troy's chinability to hold down the starting gig at a QB wasteland like Utah only reinforces this.
It clearly has worked out.
Sure, but you don't even need to get to culture and fit because Williams loses straight up on the field.
You'd need to watch Utah games to truly understand but that sounds like torture so here is a quick taste of why he is riding the bench for a second-rate Pac-12 team AS A FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.
Troy's ranks among qualifying PAC QBs:
Completion %: 11/12 (edged out the UCLA backup) Yards per attempt: 9/12 (ahead of UCLA backup, Air Raid, and Bear Raid.) TD/INT ratio 8/12 (thank you Joe Williams for carrying the team down the field on your back.)
I argued that trusting the coaches is doog 101 and I feel vindicated
It is actually amazing how good CP has been with personnel decisions. No rightfully skeptical fan could have predicted that. Has he made any mistakes?
-Bringing Andrew Hudson and DiAndre Campbell back -Moving King to CB -Kikaha at Buck -Feeney at Buck -Everything he has done with the DL -Budda getting his own position -Gaskin getting the rock early as a frosh -Dissly to TE -Rapp playing as true frosh -Dante Pettis at PR -Got McGary on the right side of the ball quickly
John Ross at CB wasn't great but was more out of necessity than anything else.
Like Race, I was super skeptical of the OKG shit and picking culture over talent because we've seen it all before. 99.81% of the time that shit is bullshit by insecure coaches that produces nothing.
But every once in awhile thee coach is strong enough to actually set a legitimate culture, and talented enough to develop great players within that system. And in those rare instances it's worth it to sacrifice an insubordinate player for culture, even if it costs you wins in the short term.
I didn't agree with it at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, Pete clearly knew what the fuck he was doing. The kids have bought in, they are behind the staff, and Pete's producing results.
We always say a coach gets three years to show he can win.
Pete did that.
He's not infallible, and I still question plenty of things (not going for fourth and 1 at Oregon, giving the ball to dry eyes for the game losing fumble, etc). But if Troy was as bad behind the scenes as Coker says, and that makes sense because otherwise not playing him over Miles makes no sense, then I think he made the right call not playing Williams. And Troy's chinability to hold down the starting gig at a QB wasteland like Utah only reinforces this.
It clearly has worked out.
Sure, but you don't even need to get to culture and fit because Williams loses straight up on the field.
You'd need to watch Utah games to truly understand but that sounds like torture so here is a quick taste of why he is riding the bench for a second-rate Pac-12 team AS A FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.
Troy's ranks among qualifying PAC QBs:
Completion %: 11/12 (edged out the UCLA backup) Yards per attempt: 9/12 (ahead of UCLA backup, Air Raid, and Bear Raid.) TD/INT ratio 8/12 (thank you Joe Williams for carrying the team down the field on your back.)
I argued that trusting the coaches is doog 101 and I feel vindicated
It is actually amazing how good CP has been with personnel decisions. No rightfully skeptical fan could have predicted that. Has he made any mistakes?
-Bringing Andrew Hudson and DiAndre Campbell back -Moving King to CB -Kikaha at Buck -Feeney at Buck -Everything he has done with the DL -Budda getting his own position -Gaskin getting the rock early as a frosh -Dissly to TE -Rapp playing as true frosh -Dante Pettis at PR -Got McGary on the right side of the ball quickly
John Ross at CB wasn't great but was more out of necessity than anything else.
I argued that trusting the coaches is doog 101 and I feel vindicated
It is actually amazing how good CP has been with personnel decisions. No rightfully skeptical fan could have predicted that. Has he made any mistakes?
-Bringing Andrew Hudson and DiAndre Campbell back -Moving King to CB -Kikaha at Buck -Feeney at Buck -Everything he has done with the DL -Budda getting his own position -Gaskin getting the rock early as a frosh -Dissly to TE -Rapp playing as true frosh -Dante Pettis at PR -Got McGary on the right side of the ball quickly
John Ross at CB wasn't great but was more out of necessity than anything else.
I argued that trusting the coaches is doog 101 and I feel vindicated
It is actually amazing how good CP has been with personnel decisions. No rightfully skeptical fan could have predicted that. Has he made any mistakes?
-Bringing Andrew Hudson and DiAndre Campbell back -Moving King to CB -Kikaha at Buck -Feeney at Buck -Everything he has done with the DL -Budda getting his own position -Gaskin getting the rock early as a frosh -Dissly to TE -Rapp playing as true frosh -Dante Pettis at PR -Got McGary on the right side of the ball quickly
John Ross at CB wasn't great but was more out of necessity than anything else.
This is fair. If the coach is worth it I'll suck his dick as much as the next guy. Had Petermen come in without the battered wife fan base he would have got a fairer shake.
But he doesn't really read the stuff we write anyway
I argued that trusting the coaches is doog 101 and I feel vindicated
It is actually amazing how good CP has been with personnel decisions. No rightfully skeptical fan could have predicted that. Has he made any mistakes?
-Bringing Andrew Hudson and DiAndre Campbell back -Moving King to CB -Kikaha at Buck -Feeney at Buck -Everything he has done with the DL -Budda getting his own position -Gaskin getting the rock early as a frosh -Dissly to TE -Rapp playing as true frosh -Dante Pettis at PR -Got McGary on the right side of the ball quickly
John Ross at CB wasn't great but was more out of necessity than anything else.
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There's a lot of stupid in this thread ... notably from @RaceBannon ... backing Troy Williams was never a smart idea
Like Race, I was super skeptical of the OKG shit and picking culture over talent because we've seen it all before. 99.81% of the time that shit is bullshit by insecure coaches that produces nothing.
But every once in awhile thee coach is strong enough to actually set a legitimate culture, and talented enough to develop great players within that system. And in those rare instances it's worth it to sacrifice an insubordinate player for culture, even if it costs you wins in the short term.
I didn't agree with it at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, Pete clearly knew what the fuck he was doing. The kids have bought in, they are behind the staff, and Pete's producing results.
We always say a coach gets three years to show he can win.
Pete did that.
He's not infallible, and I still question plenty of things (not going for fourth and 1 at Oregon, giving the ball to dry eyes for the game losing fumble, etc). But if Troy was as bad behind the scenes as Coker says, and that makes sense because otherwise not playing him over Miles makes no sense, then I think he made the right call not playing Williams. And Troy's chinability to hold down the starting gig at a QB wasteland like Utah only reinforces this.
It clearly has worked out.
You'd need to watch Utah games to truly understand but that sounds like torture so here is a quick taste of why he is riding the bench for a second-rate Pac-12 team AS A FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.
Troy's ranks among qualifying PAC QBs:
Completion %: 11/12 (edged out the UCLA backup)
Yards per attempt: 9/12 (ahead of UCLA backup, Air Raid, and Bear Raid.)
TD/INT ratio 8/12 (thank you Joe Williams for carrying the team down the field on your back.)
-Bringing Andrew Hudson and DiAndre Campbell back
-Moving King to CB
-Kikaha at Buck
-Feeney at Buck
-Everything he has done with the DL
-Budda getting his own position
-Gaskin getting the rock early as a frosh
-Dissly to TE
-Rapp playing as true frosh
-Dante Pettis at PR
-Got McGary on the right side of the ball quickly
John Ross at CB wasn't great but was more out of necessity than anything else.
He no good.
But he doesn't really read the stuff we write anyway