Great comment, but you have still not answered the question. How the fuck is the grid a type of battery? It's not. You know it. I know it. Anyone with a pulse knows it.
If it's cloudy or dark, energy usage is primarily fossil fuel. Cut yourself off of the grid and walk the walk. Otherwise, STFU.
Electricity does not 'store' in the grid. The manditory buyback of your wind generated electricity produced at 3 am on a Sunday, is 'stored' only on your account with the power company as a credit.
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
Perhaps a better analogy would be the power grid is more like a bank. Economically, that is true. From a power generation perspective, it is not. But a type of battery? GTFO.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years.
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
Perhaps a better analogy would be the power grid is more like a bank. Economically, that is true. From a power generation perspective, it is not. But a type of battery? GTFO.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years.
You ignore the fact I've shown you two examples of how batteries are used with solar. One of them in my backyard. (For why they aren't on my home, I have an east/west facing house with trees to my south, my house is shaded in the winter and the panels would only get half a day in the summer.)
Regardless, I have a question for you. Why do you hate solar so much? It's the only power without an environmental downside. Yes it's expensive, but as with every technology, it gets cheaper with time.
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
Perhaps a better analogy would be the power grid is more like a bank. Economically, that is true. From a power generation perspective, it is not. But a type of battery? GTFO.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years.
You ignore the fact I've shown you two examples of how batteries are used with solar. One of them in my backyard. (For why they aren't on my home, I have an east/west facing house with trees to my south, my house is shaded in the winter and the panels would only get half a day in the summer.)
Regardless, I have a question for you. Why do you hate solar so much? It's the only power without an environmental downside. Yes it's expensive, but as with every technology, it gets cheaper with time.
The only thing you've shown is how solar can charge AA batteries. We're talking about powering far more than your little toy hauler. And you can not accumulate unused energy from summer and use that energy in the winter, without batteries bigger than your house at a cost that is more than your house..
I don't hate solar, not sure where that came from. As I said, it is a piece of the puzzle. Build a couple more Grand Coulee dams and you won't have to waste your money on overpriced solar. Or build a Palo Verde in your neck of the woods, and you'll have all the power you need, without burning an ounce of fossil fuel.
Two things this thread has clearly established is that Ozone is a fucking snob and he's an idiot.
Maybe you should move to Paris? The people there think they have all the answers and are MUCH more intelligent and sophisticated than people who went to the Ohio State University.
Two things this thread has clearly established is that Ozone is a fucking snob and he's an idiot.
Maybe you should move to Paris? The people there think they have all the answers and are MUCH more intelligent and sophisticated than people who went to the Ohio State University.
How many times does an example need to be over your head before you just stop trying to follow along?
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
This is utter fucking nonsense. If you have a license to fly a plane boat thingie, you should know that. You can't be stupid, and yet here you are, making up bullshit that even sounds dumb when you say it. I think I get your actual meaning, but what you have actually said is just flat wrong.
Batteries store energy from solar panels. You clearly don't get it.
But they don't store enough to run higher voltage appliances. They store enough to run lights and some small appliances. These batteries that you speak of also contain substances that are worse than about anything short of nuclear waste to the environment.
You sure you aren't Collegedoogs burned out big brother?
Do I get paid for my extra energy production? Currently, most of America is under a system known as Net Metering, which allows your net electricity costs to be reduced to zero, but no further. In a select few places in the U.S., you can be paid for any excess electricity you create, in what is known as a Feed-In Tariff system.
Is solar a viable option in cold climates? Yes. A general rule of thumb is that if you can clearly see your solar panels, they can produce electricity. In fact, given equal sunlight, a solar panel on a cold day will out-produce a solar panel on a hot day.
Can I take my home off the electrical grid? Yes, provided you install optional battery-backup systems to provide power when your demands exceed your production, such as at night. While a SolarWorld installer can help you install such a system, it is not typically recommended for several reasons. First, batteries add significant costs to your system, extending your payback period. Second, you may not be eligible for some incentives if you do not connect your system to your utility. Lastly, staying connected to the grid ensures you will rarely ever be without power, unlike batteries that have a limited lifespan and storage capacity.
You truly are hopeless for if you even read what you cut n pasted You probably wouldn't have done it.
Did you miss the part where it said Limited storage and lifespan on the batteries. Or are you going to move the goalposts for the 3rd time this thread
Either way it won't be special. But you are very special.
Do I get paid for my extra energy production? Currently, most of America is under a system known as Net Metering, which allows your net electricity costs to be reduced to zero, but no further. In a select few places in the U.S., you can be paid for any excess electricity you create, in what is known as a Feed-In Tariff system.
Is solar a viable option in cold climates? Yes. A general rule of thumb is that if you can clearly see your solar panels, they can produce electricity. In fact, given equal sunlight, a solar panel on a cold day will out-produce a solar panel on a hot day.
Can I take my home off the electrical grid? Yes, provided you install optional battery-backup systems to provide power when your demands exceed your production, such as at night. While a SolarWorld installer can help you install such a system, it is not typically recommended for several reasons. First, batteries add significant costs to your system, extending your payback period. Second, you may not be eligible for some incentives if you do not connect your system to your utility. Lastly, staying connected to the grid ensures you will rarely ever be without power, unlike batteries that have a limited lifespan and storage capacity.
You truly are hopeless for if you even read what you cut n pasted You probably wouldn't have done it.
Did you miss the part where it said Limited storage and lifespan on the batteries. Or are you going to move the goalposts for the 3rd time this thread
Either way it won't be special. But you are very special.
Holy shit, I feel more stupid after having read your post. First, have you ever seen or heard of a battery that doesn't have a limited storage capacity or lifespan?
Not to mention the point that I was making, because others were saying you can't use a battery at all. But why read for context, right?
Do I get paid for my extra energy production? Currently, most of America is under a system known as Net Metering, which allows your net electricity costs to be reduced to zero, but no further. In a select few places in the U.S., you can be paid for any excess electricity you create, in what is known as a Feed-In Tariff system.
Is solar a viable option in cold climates? Yes. A general rule of thumb is that if you can clearly see your solar panels, they can produce electricity. In fact, given equal sunlight, a solar panel on a cold day will out-produce a solar panel on a hot day.
Can I take my home off the electrical grid? Yes, provided you install optional battery-backup systems to provide power when your demands exceed your production, such as at night. While a SolarWorld installer can help you install such a system, it is not typically recommended for several reasons. First, batteries add significant costs to your system, extending your payback period. Second, you may not be eligible for some incentives if you do not connect your system to your utility. Lastly, staying connected to the grid ensures you will rarely ever be without power, unlike batteries that have a limited lifespan and storage capacity.
You truly are hopeless for if you even read what you cut n pasted You probably wouldn't have done it.
Did you miss the part where it said Limited storage and lifespan on the batteries. Or are you going to move the goalposts for the 3rd time this thread
Either way it won't be special. But you are very special.
Holy shit, I feel more stupid after having read your post. First, have you ever seen or heard of a battery that doesn't have a limited storage capacity or lifespan?
Not to mention the point that I was making, because others were saying you can't use a battery at all. But why read for context, right?
Do I get paid for my extra energy production? Currently, most of America is under a system known as Net Metering, which allows your net electricity costs to be reduced to zero, but no further. In a select few places in the U.S., you can be paid for any excess electricity you create, in what is known as a Feed-In Tariff system.
Is solar a viable option in cold climates? Yes. A general rule of thumb is that if you can clearly see your solar panels, they can produce electricity. In fact, given equal sunlight, a solar panel on a cold day will out-produce a solar panel on a hot day.
Can I take my home off the electrical grid? Yes, provided you install optional battery-backup systems to provide power when your demands exceed your production, such as at night. While a SolarWorld installer can help you install such a system, it is not typically recommended for several reasons. First, batteries add significant costs to your system, extending your payback period. Second, you may not be eligible for some incentives if you do not connect your system to your utility. Lastly, staying connected to the grid ensures you will rarely ever be without power, unlike batteries that have a limited lifespan and storage capacity.
You truly are hopeless for if you even read what you cut n pasted You probably wouldn't have done it.
Did you miss the part where it said Limited storage and lifespan on the batteries. Or are you going to move the goalposts for the 3rd time this thread
Either way it won't be special. But you are very special.
Holy shit, I feel more stupid after having read your post. First, have you ever seen or heard of a battery that doesn't have a limited storage capacity or lifespan? Why yes, I have. Learnt in this very forum electricity can now be stored on wire then recalled on demand as needed.
Not to mention the point that I was making,...
if you first make a point, it becomes easier to refer back to it in a way that reduces your fucktardedness emissions.
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As I said earlier... high level conceptual thinking might be out of your league. You should stick to listening to Rush Limbaugh.
If it's cloudy or dark, energy usage is primarily fossil fuel. Cut yourself off of the grid and walk the walk. Otherwise, STFU.
You put power in when you have extra, and you take power out when you need extra. This makes it like a battery.
I'm done with your stupid schtick. If you need further help, go to college.
This is precisely why no one with half a brain listens to the over-zealous green crowd. The intentions are likely good. But the over-the-top righteousness with complete disregard for reality is what destroys any credibility. In time, solar will have it's place in the economically feasible power generation mix. Today, sans subsidies, it's not even close to making financial sense.
Hydroelectric is by far the best solution, but the green crowd would never allow another Grand Coulee. And mountain run-off similar to NE Washington does not exist in most areas across to the US.
Nuclear is the second best solution, but once again, the green crowd will fight to its death to prevent another Three Mile Island or Fukushima incident. Lots of stupidity related to both incidents, in terms of location, construction and operation, but to throw the baby out with the bathwater isn't very smart.
Biomass/Wind/Solar bring up the rear in any rational person's mind, but they are far too expensive and they don't scale worth a shit. We should rationally subsidize to encourage development, but long term, they will always be small pieces to the puzzle.
If you want scale, look no further than Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station west of Phoenix. It generates enough power for 4,000,000 households and uses treated effluent from Phoenix as the source of its water. No earthquakes, no tidal waves, just consistent power 24 hours/day.....for the past 30 years.
Regardless, I have a question for you. Why do you hate solar so much? It's the only power without an environmental downside. Yes it's expensive, but as with every technology, it gets cheaper with time.
I don't hate solar, not sure where that came from. As I said, it is a piece of the puzzle. Build a couple more Grand Coulee dams and you won't have to waste your money on overpriced solar. Or build a Palo Verde in your neck of the woods, and you'll have all the power you need, without burning an ounce of fossil fuel.
Maybe you should move to Paris? The people there think they have all the answers and are MUCH more intelligent and sophisticated than people who went to the Ohio State University.
Oh.. and did you forget to change handles before you responded?
You sure you aren't Collegedoogs burned out big brother?
Did you miss the part where it said Limited storage and lifespan on the batteries. Or are you going to move the goalposts for the 3rd time this thread
Either way it won't be special. But you are very special.
Not to mention the point that I was making, because others were saying you can't use a battery at all. But why read for context, right?