There is a mountain of evidence that playing true frosh is fool's gold. (At any position, much less QB.) And zero evidence that redshirting somehow retards a player's development.
This is so astonishingly uncomplicated.
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If you need citations to understand that true frosh suck as a general rule, I cannot help you. Re-watching the past twenty years of Husky football would be a good start. Or perhaps re-reading this thread.
"mountain of evidence". lol
You want your program to be in a position where your talent level is such that very few true freshmen are talented enough to contribute. Coach James did not play very few true freshmen because of some obsession with redshirting; he played very few true freshmen because only players like Fenney, Bailey, Smith, Kaufman were good enough to see the field.
No one except Lambo redshirted for the sake of redshirting, and Olson left early anyway.
Seriously, do think Baker and Dissly will be less prepared for 2015 vs the rest of their class because they played last year?
Peterman has never played a true frosh lineman. And he has never had a true frosh lineman able to make an impact like Trey Adams, which is why Adams will likely be Peterman's first ever true frosh lineman to play.
There is a mountain of evidence that playing true frosh is fool's gold. (At any position, much less QB.) And zero evidence that redshirting somehow retards a player's development.
This is so astonishingly uncomplicated.
Play the best players today to win the most you can today is how I see it. That's how most coaches tend to see it when asked about RS'ing. That's as uncomplicated as it gets.
At most programs - that usually involves redshirting all lineman and QBs. But sometimes it doesn't.
Otherwise you are necessarily saying wins in 2019 > wins in 2015.
@BallSacked if a true frosh truly gives you a better chance to win, then I'd agree to play him. Where we disagree is with the assumption that Browning (or any other guy in the incoming class, with the possible exceptions of a couple ST guys like Chico or the LS guy) actually gives you that. True frosh are almost uniformly terrible, as detailed here and elsewhere.
The smart money is almost always with redshirting.
What the fuck kind of QB drought is there in the Pac 12 when Jerry Neuheisel at UCLA, Jeff Lockie at UO, and [INSERT NAME HERE] at UW are the "experienced" backups?
What the fuck kind of QB drought is there in the Pac 12 when Jerry Neuheisel at UCLA, Jeff Lockie at UO, and [INSERT NAME HERE] at UW are the "experienced" backups?
What the fuck kind of QB drought is there in the Pac 12 when Jerry Neuheisel at UCLA, Jeff Lockie at UO, and [INSERT NAME HERE] at UW are the "experienced" backups?
The quarterbacking was terribad last year for the most part.
What the fuck kind of QB drought is there in the Pac 12 when Jerry Neuheisel at UCLA, Jeff Lockie at UO, and [INSERT NAME HERE] at UW are the "experienced" backups?
Ucla has simply been awful at recruiting QBs outside of Rosen during the Mora tenure, they had good shots at KJCS and Kayaa and they went different directions taking QBs that turned into WRs after one camp.
I think Oregon has done okay recruiting QBs, players just didn't want to wait behind Mariota. The frosh from Servite will be good, at least Darrin Thomas good ( was that racist crap?).
What the fuck kind of QB drought is there in the Pac 12 when Jerry Neuheisel at UCLA, Jeff Lockie at UO, and [INSERT NAME HERE] at UW are the "experienced" backups?
The quarterbacking was terribad last year for the most part.
@BallSacked if a true frosh truly gives you a better chance to win, then I'd agree to play him. Where we disagree is with the assumption that Browning (or any other guy in the incoming class, with the possible exceptions of a couple ST guys like Chico or the LS guy) actually gives you that. True frosh are almost uniformly terrible, as detailed here and elsewhere.
The smart money is almost always with redshirting.
I wasn't aware that Jeff Lindquist and KJCS weren't terrible. If you think a guy that was worse than Cyler Miles from day one at UW and couldn't complete a pass against Hawaii is likely to be decent, you may be the biggest doog of all time. The one that is the least terrible should and will play. Wasting a redshirt so a guy can play in garbage time and on special teams is fucking stupid. It's not wasting a redshirt to start at QB.
I bet Gundy wishes he burned the redshirt of that True Frosh who beat us in the cactus bowl earlier in the season. They ran the table with that fucker when forced to play him after injury. He was highly recruited IIRC.
What the fuck kind of QB drought is there in the Pac 12 when Jerry Neuheisel at UCLA, Jeff Lockie at UO, and [INSERT NAME HERE] at UW are the "experienced" backups?
Ucla has simply been awful at recruiting QBs outside of Rosen during the Mora tenure, they had good shots at KJCS and Kayaa and they went different directions taking QBs that turned into WRs after one camp.
I think Oregon has done okay recruiting QBs, players just didn't want to wait behind Mariota. The frosh from Servite will be good, at least Darrin Thomas good ( was that racist crap?).
We had a Portagee who broke his foot and transferred, kinda wish Bryan Bennett had stuck around.
...I wasn't aware that Jeff Lindquist and KJCS weren't terrible. If you think a guy that was worse than Cyler Miles from day one at UW and couldn't complete a pass against Hawaii is likely to be decent, you may be the biggest doog of all time. The one that is the least terrible should and will play...
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You want your program to be in a position where your talent level is such that very few true freshmen are talented enough to contribute. Coach James did not play very few true freshmen because of some obsession with redshirting; he played very few true freshmen because only players like Fenney, Bailey, Smith, Kaufman were good enough to see the field.
No one except Lambo redshirted for the sake of redshirting, and Olson left early anyway.
Seriously, do think Baker and Dissly will be less prepared for 2015 vs the rest of their class because they played last year?
Peterman has never played a true frosh lineman. And he has never had a true frosh lineman able to make an impact like Trey Adams, which is why Adams will likely be Peterman's first ever true frosh lineman to play.
Don't be afraid to play the best players.
If Browning is the best qb, he should play.
If he's not, he should not.
Don't be afraid to play him if he's better than the alternatives at qb.
At most programs - that usually involves redshirting all lineman and QBs. But sometimes it doesn't.
Otherwise you are necessarily saying wins in 2019 > wins in 2015.
The smart money is almost always with redshirting.
I've been quooking hard WRT Big Play VA, but wow
I think Josh Rosen is worth about 2 or 3 wins because Jerry Neu would go about 6-6 if he started this year.
It was cool story at Jerry World, but he has an Ivy League arm. It would severely limit the offense.
I think Oregon has done okay recruiting QBs, players just didn't want to wait behind Mariota. The frosh from Servite will be good, at least Darrin Thomas good ( was that racist crap?).