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I see the reasoning but didn't Kellen Moore redshirt?
washington.247sports.com/Article/Husky-Football-2015-Is-the-Future-Now-38343625
Goff is a good comparison and 2015 is Petersen's 2nd year at UW rather than when Goff started for Dykes in Dykes' 1st season @ Cal.
One of the biggest questions is if UW can get bowl eligible with a true frosh at QB? Even if Browning ends up starting, I still see some Wild Swede packages.
washington.247sports.com/Article/Husky-Football-2015-Is-the-Future-Now-38343625
Goff is a good comparison and 2015 is Petersen's 2nd year at UW rather than when Goff started for Dykes in Dykes' 1st season @ Cal.
One of the biggest questions is if UW can get bowl eligible with a true frosh at QB? Even if Browning ends up starting, I still see some Wild Swede packages.
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This would be a disaster. Did she not watch the Spring whatevertheyrecallingit?
The kid's like 17. Let him redshirt, then earn the starting job as a RS-FR. Browning looks like he could be a legit 4-year starter, if his body and his confidence aren't totally shattered by pushing him out there too soon. -
If Lindquist/KJCS starts this year, then they'll have to start for the rest of their career? Bullshit.
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If he gives us the best chance to win now he should play. Period.
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Okay, let's take this fallacy by fallacy:
1. The myth that Browning is still too small. Right now Browning is bigger than Cal’s Jared Goff was when he started as a freshman. Add to that the fact that Browning is bigger than Tony Rodriguez, the juco transfer from CCSF. So if Browning is too small, then so is Rodriguez.
How did Goff work out as a frosh? Cal went 1-11 in 2013. 0-9 in conference play.
And who the fuck is advocating for playing Rodriguez? Talk about a straw man argument.2. If Browning were to start this year, there’s nothing better for the development of a player than simply starting, period. Yes, he would take his bumps and lumps, but he would have 13 games under his belt entering his sophomore season.
If this were true, then why does anybody ever redshirt promising frosh QBs?3. If the Huskies were to go with Jeff Lindquist ( and we all know what a great Husky he is and that he’s a very capable athlete and quarterback), then you’d have to start him next year too to be fair – so Browning would be riding pine for two years going into his third season, with no starts.
Utter nonsense. You open up the starting job to competition again each year, just as Peterman has done at every position since he arrived. There is absolutely no reason Browning couldn't earn the starting job as a true frosh; in fact, I fully expect it.
4. Another very capable quarterback is K.J. Carta-Samuels, but here again, Carta-Samuels plays 3 years and Browning doesn’t start until he’s a junior?
7. If Jake Browning does get the starting job this year then the odds of playing four years are better than 75%, and he did not come to Washington to sit on the bench. Again, this whole mantra about how he needs to get bigger and stronger is hogwash, he’s as big as a lot of guys playing in the Pac-12 right now, all he’s missing s experience and some more time in the weight room.5. Browning is the most decorated high school quarterback ever signed to the University of Washington, and one source called him “Coach Pete’s new Kellen Moore”. Coach Petersen brought Browning in for a purpose; to recruit around, to build an offense around, and to win a championship. He’s said that it’s about putting the pieces together, and getting that most prized possession of a record-shattering high school quarterback who enrolled early was a huge, huge piece. The other piece is going to be a big-time tailback.
Exact same things were said about Jack Lockner. Who redshirted.6. The expectations are not high this year for the Huskies, so is the timing right? It’s my belief that it is more than right.
Nobody is claiming, under the best of circumstances, that Browning as a true frosh is going to make this team a P12 title contender. Why would anybody risk the health and confidence of a purported savior on a season where the presumptive ceiling is, what, 8 wins? This makes no sense whatsoever.8. Browning enrolled in the spring and has spring football now under his belt -- 15 practices, he’s been learning this offense.
Oh, fuck. Fifteen practices? That changes everything.9. Development for next year and going forward is a factor, but there’s no suggestion here that Browning takes every snap in every game – Browning would have an extremely capable corral of back-ups to rely on. But the key is to make it his offense and his team. The coaches have packages that include more footwork for guys like Carta-Samuels and Lindquist, but when it comes to being the pure passer, Browning is your man. There's not enough known yet about Rodriguez because he hasn't yet practiced with the team.
A revolving door at QB would only make a bad situation worse. Was Roof not here for the Stanback-Durocher-Bonnell shitshow in '06?
Give the 2015 job to Lindy and see what he can do with it. If he falters, try KJCS. Rodriguez is here purely as an emergency 3rd stringer for 2015 only. Again, with the plan of re-opening competition again in spring 2016, per usual.10. If you take a realistic look at the Husky roster, they’re very young. If Browning started and the Huskies were to be able to win 6 games and get to a bowl game, including bowl practices, that would be extremely beneficial going into the 2016 season and so on.
You have to have patience, and take your lumps, while you're working through the roster holes you're predecessor left for you. Putting a slight-statured, hesitant youngster behind a young, shitty OL is a recipe for disaster. You'd literally be inviting a career-altering injury to this prized recruit. -
This. Fuck Spring Ball. Browning has had over three months since then to work on his game and dig into the playbook.Gladstone said:If he gives us the best chance to win now he should play. Period.
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True frosh QBs basically *never* give you the best chance to win. That's the point.Gladstone said:If he gives us the best chance to win now he should play. Period.
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Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
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I'd rather have Browning play in 2019 than Browning play in 2015
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Ragnar Vikinquist is going to be the starter and is going to exceed expectations. He is gonna kill it off play action and will keep defenses guessing with the threat of tucking the ball and running.
Of course, this doesn't take into account that Jonathan F Smith is the OC, not PGOS. So there's that. -
I would like to go on record saying I already hate Browning.
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But, but, what if he leaves early for the NFL?!?!whatshouldicareabout said:I'd rather have Browning play in 2019 than Browning play in 2015
Browning's smaller stature and and comparisons to Kellen Moore's 4 year starting career are probably the biggest reasons to redshirt him. Browning could be stellar (i'm banking on it) but physical limitations will probably keep his NFL projections in the late rounds if he does produce. I don't see him leaving early. -
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she likes it in the bunghole that's all I know. Can you imagine how many players laid the black cack to that slit? I saw here stroking players for interviews. Maybe the herpes got her. who knows. All I know is Id rather have her pestering kids on the phone than Eklund. At least she has something to offer instead of um um um yeah, wait a minute, um yeah um etc. Eklund has a mouth full of Semen constantly. He needs to take time to find a spitty after every commercial break.
I've actually seen arithmetic at practice a few times up in the stands with Comfortable and blubber boy. She actually looked good enough to give the poundins to a few times -
Team is going to suck. Who cares.
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Courage.HuskyJW said:I would like to go on record saying I already hate Browning.
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Who says Browning is good enough to start?
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If you all can't see that Miley Cyrus is going to pull a Willis Reed and start this year, I can't help you.
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Completely agree, but let's take into consideration who the presumed starter is going to be. Thinking he should redshirt no matter what, even if he's the best guy is FS. Judging from the Spring, he's probably not the best guy, but if he is during fall camp, then what?dnc said:Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
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And if Lindquist goes out and completely sucks (very likely), then what? Same for Carta Samuels. A lot of hypotheticals, but the QB position is pretty fluid when Jeff fucking Lindquist is the assumed starter. -
The goal is to build a program, not squeek into some shit bowel this season. I think the best long term option is redshirting a guy like Browning. Starting a true freshman QB is almost never beneficial in the short term, and IMO exposes kids to injury and destroys his confidence unnecessarily. How many quality QB's started as true frosh in the Pac? I can't think of many. I just think Browning is unlikely to be more than a game better than Kijana Carter or Lindy this season, but will be much better prepared for next season and beyond after a RS year.RoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree, but let's take into consideration who the presumed starter is going to be. Thinking he should redshirt no matter what, even if he's the best guy is FS. Judging from the Spring, he's probably not the best guy, but if he is during fall camp, then what?dnc said:Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
And if Lindquist goes out and completely sucks (very likely), then what? Same for Carta Samuels. A lot of hypotheticals, but the QB position is pretty fluid when Jeff fucking Lindquist is the assumed starter.
Add in that he's not the NFL prototype as someone else alluded to and he's less likely to leave early anyway and I think it's a no brainer to redshirt him.
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dnc said:
The goal is to win or get the fuck outRoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree, but let's take into consideration who the presumed starter is going to be. Thinking he should redshirt no matter what, even if he's the best guy is FS. Judging from the Spring, he's probably not the best guy, but if he is during fall camp, then what?dnc said:Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
And if Lindquist goes out and completely sucks (very likely), then what? Same for Carta Samuels. A lot of hypotheticals, but the QB position is pretty fluid when Jeff fucking Lindquist is the assumed starter. -
I really doubt the coaches feel the same way. Winning now also helps builds the program. I get that we are tired of 7 and 8 win seasons, but they are better than 4 or 5 win seasons. Petersen wins 4 or 5 this year with Lindquist/KCS and there are concerns. He wins 7 with Browning and there is much more momentum and optimism surrounding Husky Football which imo would help the program more than pining for 2019.dnc said:
The goal is to build a program, not squeek into some shit bowel this season. I think the best long term option is redshirting a guy like Browning. Starting a true freshman QB is almost never beneficial in the short term, and IMO exposes kids to injury and destroys his confidence unnecessarily. How many quality QB's started as true frosh in the Pac? I can't think of many. I just think Browning is unlikely to be more than a game better than Kijana Carter or Lindy this season, but will be much better prepared for next season and beyond after a RS year.RoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree, but let's take into consideration who the presumed starter is going to be. Thinking he should redshirt no matter what, even if he's the best guy is FS. Judging from the Spring, he's probably not the best guy, but if he is during fall camp, then what?dnc said:Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
And if Lindquist goes out and completely sucks (very likely), then what? Same for Carta Samuels. A lot of hypotheticals, but the QB position is pretty fluid when Jeff fucking Lindquist is the assumed starter.
Add in that he's not the NFL prototype as someone else alluded to and he's less likely to leave early anyway and I think it's a no brainer to redshirt him.
If he plays this year he better be the shit.
You are right that not many true freshman QB's are good. For a real program, Browning wouldn't sniff the field. For a program with Jeff Lindquist are the starter, I'm not so sure. -
I just don't think Browning is 2-3 wins better than the alternatives. If he's 3 wins better I agree you play him.RoadDawg55 said:
I really doubt the coaches feel the same way. Winning now also helps builds the program. I get that we are tired of 7 and 8 win seasons, but they are better than 4 or 5 win seasons. Petersen wins 4 or 5 this year with Lindquist/KCS and there are concerns. He wins 7 with Browning and there is much more momentum and optimism surrounding Husky Football which imo would help the program more than pining for 2019.dnc said:
The goal is to build a program, not squeek into some shit bowel this season. I think the best long term option is redshirting a guy like Browning. Starting a true freshman QB is almost never beneficial in the short term, and IMO exposes kids to injury and destroys his confidence unnecessarily. How many quality QB's started as true frosh in the Pac? I can't think of many. I just think Browning is unlikely to be more than a game better than Kijana Carter or Lindy this season, but will be much better prepared for next season and beyond after a RS year.RoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree, but let's take into consideration who the presumed starter is going to be. Thinking he should redshirt no matter what, even if he's the best guy is FS. Judging from the Spring, he's probably not the best guy, but if he is during fall camp, then what?dnc said:Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
And if Lindquist goes out and completely sucks (very likely), then what? Same for Carta Samuels. A lot of hypotheticals, but the QB position is pretty fluid when Jeff fucking Lindquist is the assumed starter.
Add in that he's not the NFL prototype as someone else alluded to and he's less likely to leave early anyway and I think it's a no brainer to redshirt him.
If he plays this year he better be the shit.
You are right that not many true freshman QB's are good. For a real program, Browning wouldn't sniff the field. For a program with Jeff Lindquist are the starter, I'm not so sure. -
Thank you. It amazes me how few people understand this concept.whatshouldicareabout said:I'd rather have Browning play in 2019 than Browning play in 2015
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If Browning is good, he should be gone before the 2019 season.whatshouldicareabout said:I'd rather have Browning play in 2019 than Browning play in 2015
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A lot of the thread is dealing in hypotheticals, which we don't do, but the margins for winning and losing are often so slim which is why the best guy has to play. Marginally better can be a 2-3 win difference.dnc said:
I just don't think Browning is 2-3 wins better than the alternatives. If he's 3 wins better I agree you play him.RoadDawg55 said:
I really doubt the coaches feel the same way. Winning now also helps builds the program. I get that we are tired of 7 and 8 win seasons, but they are better than 4 or 5 win seasons. Petersen wins 4 or 5 this year with Lindquist/KCS and there are concerns. He wins 7 with Browning and there is much more momentum and optimism surrounding Husky Football which imo would help the program more than pining for 2019.dnc said:
The goal is to build a program, not squeek into some shit bowel this season. I think the best long term option is redshirting a guy like Browning. Starting a true freshman QB is almost never beneficial in the short term, and IMO exposes kids to injury and destroys his confidence unnecessarily. How many quality QB's started as true frosh in the Pac? I can't think of many. I just think Browning is unlikely to be more than a game better than Kijana Carter or Lindy this season, but will be much better prepared for next season and beyond after a RS year.RoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree, but let's take into consideration who the presumed starter is going to be. Thinking he should redshirt no matter what, even if he's the best guy is FS. Judging from the Spring, he's probably not the best guy, but if he is during fall camp, then what?dnc said:Nothing erects a doog dick like a kid getting 15 extra practices. Spring enrollee, bowel game, etc. We haven't developed a kid over five seasons in the last 15 years but 15 practices means a true freshman is ready at QB.
SoFuckingIrritating.gif
And if Lindquist goes out and completely sucks (very likely), then what? Same for Carta Samuels. A lot of hypotheticals, but the QB position is pretty fluid when Jeff fucking Lindquist is the assumed starter.
Add in that he's not the NFL prototype as someone else alluded to and he's less likely to leave early anyway and I think it's a no brainer to redshirt him.
If he plays this year he better be the shit.
You are right that not many true freshman QB's are good. For a real program, Browning wouldn't sniff the field. For a program with Jeff Lindquist are the starter, I'm not so sure. -
DPOTM!!!!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
If Browning is good, he should be gone before the 2019 season.whatshouldicareabout said:I'd rather have Browning play in 2019 than Browning play in 2015
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The 15 practices was the original, Lambo-generated/Baird-coveted, doog excuse for sucking. 'Why did we piss away the Rose Bowl in '95 and '96?' 'You have no idea the amount of development we lost in the underclass kids in the last 2 years without those 15 practices. Those make a huge difference.'
Sort of like having a shit-for-brains coach also makes a huge difference: looking at you Lambo. -
It actually goes back even further than that to the ultimate doogism of all doogisms.Dennis_DeYoung said:The 15 practices was the original, Lambo-generated/Baird-coveted, doog excuse for sucking. 'Why did we piss away the Rose Bowl in '95 and '96?' 'You have no idea the amount of development we lost in the underclass kids in the last 2 years without those 15 practices. Those make a huge difference.'
Sort of like having a shit-for-brains coach also makes a huge difference: looking at you Lambo.
#Sanctions #CostUsTwoBowels #Thats30Practices
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Yeah, the sanctions really fucking decimated us. Look at that '96 team: no talent at all.dnc said:
It actually goes back even further than that to the ultimate doogism of all doogisms.Dennis_DeYoung said:The 15 practices was the original, Lambo-generated/Baird-coveted, doog excuse for sucking. 'Why did we piss away the Rose Bowl in '95 and '96?' 'You have no idea the amount of development we lost in the underclass kids in the last 2 years without those 15 practices. Those make a huge difference.'
Sort of like having a shit-for-brains coach also makes a huge difference: looking at you Lambo.
#Sanctions #CostUsTwoBowels #Thats30Practices
How can you expect to win without those practices?
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The sad thing is I was young and doogpid and lapped up all that shit at the time.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Yeah, the sanctions really fucking decimated us. Look at that '96 team: no talent at all.dnc said:
It actually goes back even further than that to the ultimate doogism of all doogisms.Dennis_DeYoung said:The 15 practices was the original, Lambo-generated/Baird-coveted, doog excuse for sucking. 'Why did we piss away the Rose Bowl in '95 and '96?' 'You have no idea the amount of development we lost in the underclass kids in the last 2 years without those 15 practices. Those make a huge difference.'
Sort of like having a shit-for-brains coach also makes a huge difference: looking at you Lambo.
#Sanctions #CostUsTwoBowels #Thats30Practices
How can you expect to win without those practices?
95 is going to be special!
