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The lack of upperclassmen and the transition to Petersen's culture

whatshouldicareabout
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The strength of any good college football team is its upperclassmen, right? After all, these are the veterans who have the experience, knowledge, and leadership to drive a team toward a championship. And for every team in college football this year, the upperclassmen hail from the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes which should all be SRs or RS Jrs at this point.

So why not take a look back at those two wonderful recruiting classes and see who our leaders are heading into 2015?

For 2011, we pulled in:
Derrick Brown
Dexter Charles
Connor Cree
Travis Feeney
Jarett Finau
Marvin Hall
ASJ
Jamaal Jones
Scott Lawyer
Kyle Lewis
Matthew Lyons
Josh Perkins
Marcus Peters
Dezden Petty
James Sample
Bishop Sankey
Danny Shelton
Siosifa Tufunga
Taniela Tupou
Corey Waller
Kasen Williams
Evan Zeger

And 2012 was:
Kalei Auelua
Brandon Beaver
Shane Brostek
Nathan Dean
Korey Durkee
Jake Eldrenkamp
Cory Fuavai
Taylor Hindy
Jeff Lindquist
Cory Littleton
Ryan McDaniel
Jaydon Mickens
Cyler Miles
Blake Rodgers
Kendyl Taylor
Shaq Thompson
Damion Turpin
Pio Vatuvei
Cleveland Wallace
Darien Washington
Dwayne Washington
Erich Wilson
Psalm Wooching

That's a total of 45 players who committed to UW over recruiting 2 classes. And if you haven't already noticed, the names in bold are those who are still on the team. That's 18. Of the 45 players we signed in 2011 and 2012, only 40% remain.

Of course, a few players were not so much as lost to attrition but advanced to the NFL early, whose names were italicized, so we should really only expect 40 players from those classes to be on the team. But even with that fact, only 45% of what was intended to be the foundation of this program in 2015 still remains with UW today. FWIW, 30% of Sark's last class at UW, 2013, have already left the program.

One final sobering fact... despite only being 1 year removed from Sark, there are only 37 players left from Sark's recruiting classes on the team whereas there are 48 from Petersen (including everyone from 2015 including Rice and Carty). That means that 58% of the this team will be Petersen's recruits this year, an improvement from last year which was 71% Sark's players.

So what does all this mean? What's the point of all these numbers?

The point I am hoping to make is that, due to Sark's mismanagement of the roster, this team is already a majority of Petersen's players. Maybe it's not Petersen's team yet, in terms of starters, but we expect to see significant contribute from his players this season like Baker, Jones, Pettis, and Dissly. What's important about this fact is that these are players that Petersen has evaluated, that he's gotten to know, that he's determined if they fit his system or not, and that he's offered a scholarship to. And the same is true the other way around: these are kids that have gotten to know Petersen, that buy into his vision and embrace his culture.

The point here is that the culture and vision of Petersen is beginning to set in, and the fact that a majority of this team is his players should speak to this transition. In his first season, not many players were exposed to this system... and those that were exposed to it were true freshmen. Who knows how many bought in, resisted, or just didn't fit like Petersen wanted. Now, the team is being made up of Petersen's players and it should begin to show on the field this fall. The transition year is over and the culture should be in place by now... and when the incoming recruiting class arrives this fall, over half the team will be Petersen's players for the first time.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,730 Founders Club
    Why do you hate Dwayne Washington?
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,128 Standard Supporter
    40-50% retention of a recruiting class is pretty normal.

    Grades, injuries, transfers. Shit happens.
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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,333 Founders Club
    PurpleThrobber said:

    40-50% retention of a recruiting class is pretty normal.

    Grades, injuries, transfers. Shit happens.

    Sounds like you're a Sarkpologist. ;)
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  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    The strength of any good college football team is its upperclassmen, right? After all, these are the veterans who have the experience, knowledge, and leadership to drive a team toward a championship. And for every team in college football this year, the upperclassmen hail from the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes which should all be SRs or RS Jrs at this point.

    So why not take a look back at those two wonderful recruiting classes and see who our leaders are heading into 2015?

    For 2011, we pulled in:
    Derrick Brown
    Dexter Charles
    Connor Cree
    Travis Feeney
    Jarett Finau
    Marvin Hall
    ASJ
    Jamaal Jones
    Scott Lawyer
    Kyle Lewis
    Matthew Lyons
    Josh Perkins
    Marcus Peters
    Dezden Petty
    James Sample
    Bishop Sankey
    Danny Shelton
    Siosifa Tufunga
    Taniela Tupou
    Corey Waller
    Kasen Williams
    Evan Zeger

    And 2012 was:
    Kalei Auelua
    Brandon Beaver
    Shane Brostek
    Nathan Dean
    Korey Durkee
    Jake Eldrenkamp
    Cory Fuavai
    Taylor Hindy
    Jeff Lindquist
    Cory Littleton
    Ryan McDaniel
    Jaydon Mickens
    Cyler Miles
    Blake Rodgers
    Kendyl Taylor
    Shaq Thompson
    Damion Turpin
    Pio Vatuvei
    Cleveland Wallace
    Darien Washington
    Dwayne Washington
    Erich Wilson
    Psalm Wooching

    That's a total of 45 players who committed to UW over recruiting 2 classes. And if you haven't already noticed, the names in bold are those who are still on the team. That's 18. Of the 45 players we signed in 2011 and 2012, only 40% remain.

    Of course, a few players were not so much as lost to attrition but advanced to the NFL early, whose names were italicized, so we should really only expect 40 players from those classes to be on the team. But even with that fact, only 45% of what was intended to be the foundation of this program in 2015 still remains with UW today. FWIW, 30% of Sark's last class at UW, 2013, have already left the program.

    One final sobering fact... despite only being 1 year removed from Sark, there are only 37 players left from Sark's recruiting classes on the team whereas there are 48 from Petersen (including everyone from 2015 including Rice and Carty). That means that 58% of the this team will be Petersen's recruits this year, an improvement from last year which was 71% Sark's players.

    So what does all this mean? What's the point of all these numbers?

    The point I am hoping to make is that, due to Sark's mismanagement of the roster, this team is already a majority of Petersen's players. Maybe it's not Petersen's team yet, in terms of starters, but we expect to see significant contribute from his players this season like Baker, Jones, Pettis, and Dissly. What's important about this fact is that these are players that Petersen has evaluated, that he's gotten to know, that he's determined if they fit his system or not, and that he's offered a scholarship to. And the same is true the other way around: these are kids that have gotten to know Petersen, that buy into his vision and embrace his culture.

    The point here is that the culture and vision of Petersen is beginning to set in, and the fact that a majority of this team is his players should speak to this transition. In his first season, not many players were exposed to this system... and those that were exposed to it were true freshmen. Who knows how many bought in, resisted, or just didn't fit like Petersen wanted. Now, the team is being made up of Petersen's players and it should begin to show on the field this fall. The transition year is over and the culture should be in place by now... and when the incoming recruiting class arrives this fall, over half the team will be Petersen's players for the first time.

    this is a TL;DR recapitulation of the team is young excuse.... fans should expect any player recruited by any coach who ever got into a three point stance who is now in his SECOND season to be a grizzled, veteran, seasoned, scrappy, player. I've had enough of the fucking young team excuse and so-and-so's recruits excuse. Neuheisel, even he, could work with not his own players!
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  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    Its great that you did a bunch of research but its somewhat meaningless unless you compare it to the other pac12 teams (at least)
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Just win.
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    - good list.

    - if Sark were like Sabin... a *real* James disciple... he would have signed 50, not 45. He would start the sorting process after they arrived on campus, not while they were still on a commitment list.

    - sign and enroll 25 players, develop them and you should end up with 12-15 seniors every year.
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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,333 Founders Club
    sarktastic said:

    - good list.

    - if Sark were like Sabin... a *real* James disciple... he would have signed 50, not 45. He would start the sorting process after they arrived on campus, not while they were still on a commitment list.

    - sign and enroll 25 players, develop them and you should end up with 12-15 seniors every year.

    *Saban
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,217
    Peteylips
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  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    Down voted for trying to discuss football in June without at least providing Bounce material to keep most of us interested.

    Next time I suggest paragraph breaks sandwiched with Swayes greatest hits, and maybe a couple of one liners to remind us this is the HHB.
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  • doogville
    doogville Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,231 Swaye's Wigwam
    But how is Sark a bad recruiter?
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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,991
    PurpleThrobber said:

    40-50% retention of a recruiting class is pretty normal.

    Grades, injuries, transfers. Shit happens.

    image

    That should read Sarkasm, but whatever.
    ApostleofGrief said:

    this is a TL;DR recapitulation of the team is young excuse.... fans should expect any player recruited by any coach who ever got into a three point stance who is now in his SECOND season to be a grizzled, veteran, seasoned, scrappy, player. I've had enough of the fucking young team excuse and so-and-so's recruits excuse. Neuheisel, even he, could work with not his own players!

    Nah, more a point of how the transition and culture change that Petersen has been talking about should be evident by now. Also a slight to Sark's roster management since his last 3 classes only account for 37 players total, but that should be a good thing since Petersen is trying to bring a culture change and bringing in his own players for his own system will be a big part of that.
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    Just win.

    Disagree
    sarktastic said:

    - good list.

    - if Sark were like Sabin... a *real* James disciple... he would have signed 50, not 45. He would start the sorting process after they arrived on campus, not while they were still on a commitment list.

    - sign and enroll 25 players, develop them and you should end up with 12-15 seniors every year.

    I didn't count JUCOs since those players would have graduated already, so these are only HS numbers.
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Signing 48 guys over two years isn't all that many. With two full recruiting classes, it should be Petersen's team. He's had two full classes. There are only 85 scholarships.

    I think a better exercise is to look at what kind of players the upperclassmen (the ones still here) are. All the talk about culture is fine, but the real problem is a lack of talent.

    The 2012 class was a total dreckfest.

    The best upperclassmen are Charles, Feeney, Perkins, and Mickens. None of them are projected to be All Conference players. And this is why we are projected to suck.

    That's true for someone like Sark, but at BSU, Petersen usually recruited about 20 kids per class since he was able to retain most of his players each year. In fact, the 2010 recruiting class only had 10 kids. I'm expecting something stable like that from Petersen every year, rather than getting 25 kids and running 10 off each class.
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  • Dardanus
    Dardanus Member Posts: 2,623
    whatshouldicareabout said:


    That's true for someone like Sark, but at BSU, Petersen usually recruited about 20 kids per class since he was able to retain most of his players each year. In fact, the 2010 recruiting class only had 10 kids. I'm expecting something stable like that from Petersen every year, rather than getting 25 kids and running 10 off each class.

    Ideally there won't be as much retention as Peterman had at BSU because more players are leaving early for the NFL. Don't twist - retention is good, but you do want some players who are good enough to leave early. Alabama signs more than 20 every year, and many years between 25-30.

    Peterman had lots of guys drafted from BSU, but many of them were guys who developed over 4-5 years, instead of the 3-and-done level of talent. Most of those guys aren't going to BSU no matter who the coach is.
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  • digits
    digits Member Posts: 1,763
    Until Mickens and Hall have graduated, the stench of Sark remains. They are better dancers than they are football players.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    I've long held the opinion that the first half of this season could be fairly painful ... but I do think that you'll find a strong second half of the season with a potential feel good upset thrown in (I'm thinking ASU) where you can start seeing the team turn the corner.
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  • Fenwick
    Fenwick Member Posts: 1,174
    If your team has so many crappy players then how did you win all those games last season?
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  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    Fenwick said:

    If your team has so many crappy players then how did you win all those games last season?

    they don't want to listen to reason... they are just readying the "team is young excuse" which has been used annually since the Lambo years
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  • claycha
    claycha Member Posts: 662
    Like I said, " Who the fuck is Sark"????
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,401
    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,679 Standard Supporter
    "Just win baby" - Al Davis (fuck the Raiders with a rusty ten foot metal poll though.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

    5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

    HTH
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:



    HFNY said:

    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

    5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

    HTH
    The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

    A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

    2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
    Georgia vs GT
    LSU vs. Syracuse
    MSU vs. Southern Miss
    Missouri vs. Arkansas State
    Ole Miss vs. Memphis
    Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
    Vandy vs. Houston

    2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
    Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

    P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
    Arizona vs. Nevada
    ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
    Cal vs. Texas
    Colorado vs. Hawaii
    Oregon vs. Michigan State
    OSU vs. Michigan
    Stanford vs. Northwestern
    UCLA vs. UNLV
    USC vs. Notre Dame
    Utah vs. Fresno State
    UW vs. BSU
    WSU vs Rutgers

    Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

    In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

    And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

    So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    HuskyInAZ said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:



    HFNY said:

    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

    5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

    HTH
    The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

    A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

    2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
    Georgia vs GT
    LSU vs. Syracuse
    MSU vs. Southern Miss
    Missouri vs. Arkansas State
    Ole Miss vs. Memphis
    Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
    Vandy vs. Houston

    2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
    Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

    P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
    Arizona vs. Nevada
    ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
    Cal vs. Texas
    Colorado vs. Hawaii
    Oregon vs. Michigan State
    OSU vs. Michigan
    Stanford vs. Northwestern
    UCLA vs. UNLV
    USC vs. Notre Dame
    Utah vs. Fresno State
    UW vs. BSU
    WSU vs Rutgers

    Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

    In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

    And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

    So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?
    Yeah, but the SEC teams don't get to play 9 games against the Pac12.

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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    dnc said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:



    HFNY said:

    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

    5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

    HTH
    The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

    A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

    2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
    Georgia vs GT
    LSU vs. Syracuse
    MSU vs. Southern Miss
    Missouri vs. Arkansas State
    Ole Miss vs. Memphis
    Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
    Vandy vs. Houston

    2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
    Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

    P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
    Arizona vs. Nevada
    ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
    Cal vs. Texas
    Colorado vs. Hawaii
    Oregon vs. Michigan State
    OSU vs. Michigan
    Stanford vs. Northwestern
    UCLA vs. UNLV
    USC vs. Notre Dame
    Utah vs. Fresno State
    UW vs. BSU
    WSU vs Rutgers

    Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

    In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

    And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

    So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?
    Yeah, but the SEC teams don't get to play 9 games against the Pac12.

    Who would you rather play for that gimme? Colorado/WSU or Troy/McNeese St.
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  • whatshouldicareabout
    whatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,991
    HuskyInAZ said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:



    HFNY said:

    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

    5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

    HTH
    The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

    A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

    2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
    Georgia vs GT
    LSU vs. Syracuse
    MSU vs. Southern Miss
    Missouri vs. Arkansas State
    Ole Miss vs. Memphis
    Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
    Vandy vs. Houston

    2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
    Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

    P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
    Arizona vs. Nevada
    ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
    Cal vs. Texas
    Colorado vs. Hawaii
    Oregon vs. Michigan State
    OSU vs. Michigan
    Stanford vs. Northwestern
    UCLA vs. UNLV
    USC vs. Notre Dame
    Utah vs. Fresno State
    UW vs. BSU
    WSU vs Rutgers

    Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

    In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

    And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

    So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?
    Both
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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    HuskyInAZ said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:



    HFNY said:

    The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

    There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

    I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

    5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

    HTH
    The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

    A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

    2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
    Georgia vs GT
    LSU vs. Syracuse
    MSU vs. Southern Miss
    Missouri vs. Arkansas State
    Ole Miss vs. Memphis
    Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
    Vandy vs. Houston

    2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
    Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

    P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
    Arizona vs. Nevada
    ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
    Cal vs. Texas
    Colorado vs. Hawaii
    Oregon vs. Michigan State
    OSU vs. Michigan
    Stanford vs. Northwestern
    UCLA vs. UNLV
    USC vs. Notre Dame
    Utah vs. Fresno State
    UW vs. BSU
    WSU vs Rutgers

    Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

    In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

    And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

    So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?
    Both
    Bull Shit. One conference plays 12.5% of their non-conference schedule on the road, while the other conference plays 33.3% of their non-conference schedule on the road. Apples & oranges. The SEC is a pack of entitled pussies with fans who are too stupid to realize it.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,477 Founders Club
    FreeChavez said:

    Down voted for trying to discuss football in June without at least providing Bounce material to keep most of us interested.

    Next time I suggest paragraph breaks sandwiched with Swayes greatest hits, and maybe a couple of one liners to remind us this is the HHB.


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