Grantland headline - The Quiet Genius of Oregons Mark Helfreich
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Huh? The point was that having money does not always equal making a good hire. What are you not understanding?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
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everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach. -
Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex. -
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex. -
Chip tapped Hellbilly as his successor. Is Chip fucking stupid?dnc said:
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex. -
Sincerely, doogs everywhere in 1994.Canard said:
Don James tapped Lambo as his successor. Is James fucking stupid?dnc said:
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex.
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Being a great head coach doesn't make you a great evaluator head coaching ability.Canard said:
Chip tapped Hellbilly as his successor. Is Chip fucking stupid?dnc said:
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex. -
How many coaches turned down Texas? It can happen to any school. Maybe it will happen at Oregon, maybe it won't. Either way it will be interesting. There's nothing to get salty about Canard.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex. -
True. Also, when was the last time a departing head coach recommended a successor who was an HC at another school? It's never happened. Every head coach wants his guy to replace him, both as a favor to the loyal assistant and as further validation of his own success. If Oregon had hired say, Brian Kelly, Chip isn't getting anymore credit for what goes on there after a couple years. But if Helfrich succeeds, Chip looms over the program as long as Helfrich is there.allpurpleallgold said:
Being a great head coach doesn't make you a great evaluator head coaching ability.Canard said:
Chip tapped Hellbilly as his successor. Is Chip fucking stupid?dnc said:
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex.
Same thing if they hired Brian Kelly. -
Chip didn't have to endorse anyone.dnc said:
True. Also, when was the last time a departing head coach recommended a successor who was an HC at another school? It's never happened. Every head coach wants his guy to replace him, both as a favor to the loyal assistant and as further validation of his own success. If Oregon had hired say, Brian Kelly, Chip isn't getting anymore credit for what goes on there after a couple years. But if Helfrich succeeds, Chip looms over the program as long as Helfrich is there.allpurpleallgold said:
Being a great head coach doesn't make you a great evaluator head coaching ability.Canard said:
Chip tapped Hellbilly as his successor. Is Chip fucking stupid?dnc said:
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex.
Same thing if they hired Brian Kelly.
"I'm doing a Pete Carroll to a different pro bird team, suckas!!!!" -
Bump.AZDuck said:Bellotti did about as well as Chip's best in Year 7 (vice Year 3 for Chip)... he also had a couple of other top 10 teams, won a couple conference titles. I don't think that is settling for mediocrity, rather an understanding that Oregon is unlikely to become Alabama.
I'm not happy about last year's 11-2 because it really should have been 12-1 given the talent on the roster and the opponents. I just don't think that we know the full story on Helfridhctsjh just yet. -
FUCK YEAH 8-4 HERE WE COME
MICHIGAN STATE IS SO PISSED RIGHT NOW -
Not always, but most of the time I'd take having money over not having money in a coaching search. The stats back me up. You used the 2 big examples where big name coaches demanded big time money and sucked.RoadDawg55 said:
Huh? The point was that having money does not always equal making a good hire. What are you not understanding?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
is
everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach.
What are you not understanding? -
Water is wet about rather having money than not. Stop going full fucktard. I never said Oregon won't be able to hire a great coach. I just said it doesn't always work out. Why do you hate Florida? Coaches turned down Texas too. If those schools get turned down, so can Oregon. Hiring coaches isn't as easy as just throwing money. Now, can we get back to praising Helfrich for his quiet genius?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not always, but most of the time I'd take having money over not having money in a coaching search. The stats back me up. You used the 2 big examples where big name coaches demanded big time money and sucked.RoadDawg55 said:
Huh? The point was that having money does not always equal making a good hire. What are you not understanding?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
is
everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach.
What are you not understanding? -
Well, walking down the road doesn't always work either. You could be hit by a fucking asteroid.RoadDawg55 said:
Water is wet about rather having money than not. Stop going full fucktard. I never said Oregon won't be able to hire a great coach. I just said it doesn't always work out. Why do you hate Florida? Coaches turned down Texas too. If those schools get turned down, so can Oregon. Hiring coaches isn't as easy as just throwing money. Now, can we get back to praising Helfrich for his quiet genius?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not always, but most of the time I'd take having money over not having money in a coaching search. The stats back me up. You used the 2 big examples where big name coaches demanded big time money and sucked.RoadDawg55 said:
Huh? The point was that having money does not always equal making a good hire. What are you not understanding?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
is
everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach.
What are you not understanding?
I agree, this is a water is wet argument on both sides.
So shut the fuck up and let Cornell suck your pecker in silence. -
Get it together.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Well, walking down the road doesn't always work either. You could be hit by a fucking asteroid.RoadDawg55 said:
Water is wet about rather having money than not. Stop going full fucktard. I never said Oregon won't be able to hire a great coach. I just said it doesn't always work out. Why do you hate Florida? Coaches turned down Texas too. If those schools get turned down, so can Oregon. Hiring coaches isn't as easy as just throwing money. Now, can we get back to praising Helfrich for his quiet genius?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not always, but most of the time I'd take having money over not having money in a coaching search. The stats back me up. You used the 2 big examples where big name coaches demanded big time money and sucked.RoadDawg55 said:
Huh? The point was that having money does not always equal making a good hire. What are you not understanding?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
is
everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach.
What are you not understanding?
I agree, this is a water is wet argument on both sides.
So shut the fuck up and let Cornell suck your pecker in silence. -
RoadDawg55 said:
Get it together.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Well, walking down the road doesn't always work either. You could be hit by a fucking asteroid.RoadDawg55 said:
Water is wet about rather having money than not. Stop going full fucktard. I never said Oregon won't be able to hire a great coach. I just said it doesn't always work out. Why do you hate Florida? Coaches turned down Texas too. If those schools get turned down, so can Oregon. Hiring coaches isn't as easy as just throwing money. Now, can we get back to praising Helfrich for his quiet genius?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not always, but most of the time I'd take having money over not having money in a coaching search. The stats back me up. You used the 2 big examples where big name coaches demanded big time money and sucked.RoadDawg55 said:
Huh? The point was that having money does not always equal making a good hire. What are you not understanding?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
is
everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach.
What are you not understanding?
I agree, this is a water is wet argument on both sides.
So shut the fuck up and let Cornell suck your pecker in silence.
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Oregon has had an amazing run, being an elite program for 5-7 years. Their SRS over the last 8 years is #1 in the country. Its difficult for even USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc to sustain that type of success. The driving force was Chip and he's gone and not walking through that door.
Unfortunately, without a top flight coach they will never be near that level again. They could be top 25 for the next 5 years but it will feel like 6-6 because of where they just were.
Helfrich will have a better record than his replacement. Sometimes there isn't a great fit and sometimes you fuck up the hire. Having money doesn't mean everyone is interested and it doesn't mean you can hire a great coach. Oregon isn't USC, Texas or Alabama. By the time Helfrich is gone, who the fuck will want to coach a 7-8 win team? It might be an 8 win team this season. Certainly not some top 10 coach in the south or midwest. They could make a good hire but that doesn't mean they will return to elite status. As RD said, people said no to Texas and people said no to USC last season and in 2000.
Oregon is really fucked and this could be the season their fans realize it. Better for them that they collapse now rather than see Helfrich win enough games to keep his job for a few seasons. -
You're the worst kind of Husky fan. <$75K wink>HeretoBeatmyChest said:Oregon is really fucked and this could be the season their fans realize it. Better for them that they collapse now rather than see Helfrich win enough games to keep his job for a few seasons.
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WJW.Canard said:
Chip didn't have to endorse anyone.dnc said:
True. Also, when was the last time a departing head coach recommended a successor who was an HC at another school? It's never happened. Every head coach wants his guy to replace him, both as a favor to the loyal assistant and as further validation of his own success. If Oregon had hired say, Brian Kelly, Chip isn't getting anymore credit for what goes on there after a couple years. But if Helfrich succeeds, Chip looms over the program as long as Helfrich is there.allpurpleallgold said:
Being a great head coach doesn't make you a great evaluator head coaching ability.Canard said:
Chip tapped Hellbilly as his successor. Is Chip fucking stupid?dnc said:
Which is why you guys are FS for settling for Helfrich.Canard said:Hires are are extra stupid when picking the fruits of Pete Carrol's coaching shrubbery, or scraping the bottom of the "Micigan Man" barrel.
You should know all about that first one.
There aren't many coaches out there who'd turn down the big office at the H-D complex.
Same thing if they hired Brian Kelly.
"I'm doing a Pete Carroll to a different pro bird team, suckas!!!!"
It's sad to see how far you have fallen. -
Solid post chest, agree with most of it, but do think it's a stretch to use SRS to compare Oregon's run to runs USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc, have had. SRS is biased towards offensive production, which favors teams in conferences like the PAC, where defense is typically less than stellar. Oregon has had a great run, they've won a lot of games, but the teams you're comparing them to are teams that tend to win multiple national championships during their runs, with physical, dominating teams, kryptonite to the Kelly and Sling Blade duck teams. Anyway, no disrespect meant to Oregon or your post, just not a fan of SRS or any other statistical measures as a lone means to rank college football teams. Doing so results in an incomplete analysis.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Oregon has had an amazing run, being an elite program for 5-7 years. Their SRS over the last 8 years is #1 in the country. Its difficult for even USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc to sustain that type of success. The driving force was Chip and he's gone and not walking through that door.
Unfortunately, without a top flight coach they will never be near that level again. They could be top 25 for the next 5 years but it will feel like 6-6 because of where they just were.
Helfrich will have a better record than his replacement. Sometimes there isn't a great fit and sometimes you fuck up the hire. Having money doesn't mean everyone is interested and it doesn't mean you can hire a great coach. Oregon isn't USC, Texas or Alabama. By the time Helfrich is gone, who the fuck will want to coach a 7-8 win team? It might be an 8 win team this season. Certainly not some top 10 coach in the south or midwest. They could make a good hire but that doesn't mean they will return to elite status. As RD said, people said no to Texas and people said no to USC last season and in 2000.
Oregon is really fucked and this could be the season their fans realize it. Better for them that they collapse now rather than see Helfrich win enough games to keep his job for a few seasons. -
I know your being sarkastic but that's not a pond, its the mill race.AZDuck said:
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The lesson as always:HeretoBeatmyChest said:Oregon has had an amazing run, being an elite program for 5-7 years. Their SRS over the last 8 years is #1 in the country. Its difficult for even USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc to sustain that type of success. The driving force was Chip and he's gone and not walking through that door.
Unfortunately, without a top flight coach they will never be near that level again. They could be top 25 for the next 5 years but it will feel like 6-6 because of where they just were.
Helfrich will have a better record than his replacement. Sometimes there isn't a great fit and sometimes you fuck up the hire. Having money doesn't mean everyone is interested and it doesn't mean you can hire a great coach. Oregon isn't USC, Texas or Alabama. By the time Helfrich is gone, who the fuck will want to coach a 7-8 win team? It might be an 8 win team this season. Certainly not some top 10 coach in the south or midwest. They could make a good hire but that doesn't mean they will return to elite status. As RD said, people said no to Texas and people said no to USC last season and in 2000.
Oregon is really fucked and this could be the season their fans realize it. Better for them that they collapse now rather than see Helfrich win enough games to keep his job for a few seasons.
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Helfrich is a great QB coach. After he leaves Oregon some team will be able to pick him up at a good price and he will do great things in that role.
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You mean like the EaglesAZDuck said:Helfrich is a great QB coach. After he leaves Oregon some team will be able to pick him up at a good price and he will do great things in that role.
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AZDuck said:
Helfrich is a great QB coach. After he leaves Oregon some team will be able to pick him up at a good price and he will do great things in that role.
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SRS or not, Eugene is not a prime destination, and Oregon isn't college football royalty. They basically lucked out with Chip. He was an unknown.
Part of me wants Helfraud to go nine and three this year just so it will buy him another year or two. Or they can fire him and promote Scott Frost. L O L.
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Oregon was good under Bellotti and I think Knight thought it was a decent return to get a couple BCS bowls and 8 or 9 wins a year regardless. Chip came out of nowhere and showed Oregon they could be a major player. Thankfully a lot of fucktards down there didn't think he did it the right way not unlike our fucktards felt when James upped the ante after almost getting fired in the late 80's.
A lot of Oregon folks will be fine with Helfired winning 8 or 9 as long as every 5 years he gets a major bowl and wins 11. The question is, will Knight be happy. Nobody cares about the half brains who appreciated James and Chip doing whatever it took, like buying players, to be at the top. -
Location doesn't matter. Eugene > Tallahassee, Norman, Lincoln, Tuscaloosa and a hell of a lot of other locales that have done just fine getting great coaches when they wanted to.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:SRS or not, Eugene is not a prime destination, and Oregon isn't college football royalty. They basically lucked out with Chip. He was an unknown.
Part of me wants Helfraud to go nine and three this year just so it will buy him another year or two. Or they can fire him and promote Scott Frost. L O L.
The only way location matters is access to quality talent. Whether the city is big or small, nice or a dump makes no fucking difference in whether you can build a quality football program.
People who buy into Aubbie's FS IRON LAWS concept don't know shit about what actually goes on in college football. -
But he's your head coach. QB coaches, along with all other position coaches, hardly matter. If he goes with a good head coach, he will look like a good QB coach. That's what happened at Oregon under Chip. If he goes with a shitty head coach, he will suck as a QB coach. That's what happened with Hawkins.AZDuck said:Helfrich is a great QB coach. After he leaves Oregon some team will be able to pick him up at a good price and he will do great things in that role.
