Grantland headline - The Quiet Genius of Oregons Mark Helfreich
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And my what wonders it's done the football program.sarktastic said:So, what... we're just going to ignore the fact UW has a $2.5 Billion endowment?
Harvard has a $40 billion endowment, can't wait til they start raking in the natty's -
I'm sick and tired of the Oregon wins because they have money bullshit.
Oregon wins because they have a Board of Trustees willing to support a President's quest to be the best at football. Period. -
.....sarktastic said:I'm sick and tired of the Oregon wins because they have money bullshit.
Oregon wins because they have a Board of Trustees willing to support a President's quest to be the best at football. Period.
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I can't see a Kelly team getting reamed by a 7-5 AZ team and Stanfurd. Maybe it happened in 2009. After that, his teams were a machine. The four loss seasons are coming ...
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Oregon's athletic department endowment is somewhere north of $150 million - which has nothing to do with the $560 million university endowment. And yeah, Phil.sarktastic said:So, what... we're just going to ignore the fact UW has a $2.5 Billion endowment vs. $1/2 billion for Oregon?
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That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
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We only just got an independent board of trustees this year. It isn't the board - its the big cigars.
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I don't blame you for wanting to LIPO, but Helfrich is Lambright. He's not going to be a complete disaster, but thinking you are going to stay at the level you were with Chip is wishful thinking. Mariota is the only reason you have a chance this year. Guys like him are rare. I hope Helfrich wins 9 games every year and is just good enough to not get fired.AZDuck said:I think Roadie (and everyone else here besides Sven - he's the only one that would have fired Peterman at the 50 yard line after the Stanford game) is engaging in a bit of wishful thinking.
Helfrikth was more of a QB coach than the OC at both ASU and Colorado, and he's always done a pretty good job, except when Dan Hawkins was pushing his kid onto the depth chart.
I agree that prior to assuming duties at Oregon, he doesn't have much of a track record. Still, nothing here convinces me to come off of LIFPO just yet. You folks are engaging in confirmation bias for a coach who is 11-2 against non-shit-tier competition and is actually a pretty competent recruiter.
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The Oregon Ducks have the best owner in sports.
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I can live with Bellotti levels of good (7-9 win seasons, punctuated by occasional 10-11 win seasons) for a while. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle with the new hire. Nobody thought Jimmy Johnson was all that great after Schnelly. People thought even less of Dennis Erickson, yet he was able to keep Miami winning at a high level for a while. That and all the cocaine.
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I'm surprised you can live with the Bellotti level after experiencing the Chip level. I think @PDXDuckFan said the same thing (insert gay smiley here). He thinks 10-3 is a great season. As someone who is a fan of a team that is currently a 7-9 win team, let me tell you... It sucks. If that is how it is going to be, I would say you are better off winning 5 one season, firing Helfrich and getting a new coach.AZDuck said:I can live with Bellotti levels of good (7-9 win seasons, punctuated by occasional 10-11 win seasons) for a while. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle with the new hire. Nobody thought Jimmy Johnson was all that great after Schnelly. People thought even less of Dennis Erickson, yet he was able to keep Miami winning at a high level for a while. That and all the cocaine.
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Bellotti did about as well as Chip's best in Year 7 (vice Year 3 for Chip)... he also had a couple of other top 10 teams, won a couple conference titles. I don't think that is settling for mediocrity, rather an understanding that Oregon is unlikely to become Alabama.
I'm not happy about last year's 11-2 because it really should have been 12-1 given the talent on the roster and the opponents. I just don't think that we know the full story on Helfridhctsjh just yet. -
gurgleAZDuck said:
I swim in this pond a lot -
god damnitTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Just gurgle one time, it's all we askAZDuck said:
I swim in this pond a lot -
Gee, you're slow
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Or 12-2 with a loss in the Rose Bowl.AZDuck said:Bellotti did about as well as Chip's best in Year 7 (vice Year 3 for Chip)... he also had a couple of other top 10 teams, won a couple conference titles. I don't think that is settling for mediocrity, rather an understanding that Oregon is unlikely to become Alabama.
I'm not happy about last year's 11-2 because it really should have been 12-1 given the talent on the roster and the opponents. I just don't think that we know the full story on Helfridhctsjh just yet. -
We've all watched you chasing that high for fourteen years now. It ain't pretty. I'm giving Slingblade a pass for last year since he was new to the role and Mariota got banged up. This season we've had three scholarship OTs felled and thus far the staff has schemed around it rather than make excuses.RoadDawg55 said:
I'm surprised you can live with the Bellotti level after experiencing the Chip level. I think @PDXDuckFan said the same thing (insert gay smiley here). He thinks 10-3 is a great season. As someone who is a fan of a team that is currently a 7-9 win team, let me tell you... It sucks. If that is how it is going to be, I would say you are better off winning 5 one season, firing Helfrich and getting a new coach.AZDuck said:I can live with Bellotti levels of good (7-9 win seasons, punctuated by occasional 10-11 win seasons) for a while. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle with the new hire. Nobody thought Jimmy Johnson was all that great after Schnelly. People thought even less of Dennis Erickson, yet he was able to keep Miami winning at a high level for a while. That and all the cocaine.
Lambright's trend was downward. That remains to be seen with Helftroof
The one thing helfried absolutely has on Kelly is that he enjoys recruiting and tolerates the rubber chicken circuit. Those two traits buy him a lot of rope with THE donor.
And if anything, Hellboy has an easier bar to clear. Chip had to finish the regular season #1 or 2. Now it's only a top 4 finish required. If he somehow lasts through the current postseason structure, helman's is only looking at having to finish top 6 or 8.
The Ducks have been ranked in the top fifteen for five years running as of this week. Hellacious is over 20% of that streak and growing. It's easier to get to the top when you're always hanging around there pre-and-post-season.
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Another overlooked point is that the snactions cloud is no longer hanging over Oregon as a negative recruiting tactic on the part of certain chinless wonders and others. As Hellenistic actually discovered Mariota, and urged Chip to offer him before MM ever started a game, I'm willing to LIPO on that front too. Chip didn't score the abundance of talent he may have otherwise due to the NCAA becoming a drag on the brand.AZDuck said:Bellotti did about as well as Chip's best in Year 7 (vice Year 3 for Chip)... he also had a couple of other top 10 teams, won a couple conference titles. I don't think that is settling for mediocrity, rather an understanding that Oregon is unlikely to become Alabama.
I'm not happy about last year's 11-2 because it really should have been 12-1 given the talent on the roster and the opponents. I just don't think that we know the full story on Helfridhctsjh just yet.
It will be interesting to see how recruiting goes with hellfire.
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I like to pretend the Trustees have no control over departments and finances within their University. It's what I like to do.AZDuck said:
Oregon's athletic department endowment is somewhere north of $150 million - which has nothing to do with the $560 million university endowment. And yeah, Phil.sarktastic said:So, what... we're just going to ignore the fact UW has a $2.5 Billion endowment vs. $1/2 billion for Oregon?
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RaceBannon said:
Predicting the demise of Oregon is so first decade of this century
They have earned the benefit of the doubt. They care about football and it shows.
IF UW ever gets it right we could have a NW golden age rivalry. It was close and hate filled when both teams generally sucked pre James. Since James came and then UW dropped football one side or the other has dominated.
It would nice to see both good, but I'll settle for just UW being good. I'm classy like that.
I just think it is a bit early to put the genius tag on Helfired.
I think Helf is another Mike Bellotti, but with more toys and more prestige to recruit with. He won't be great, he won't be terrible. That gets you a long tenure in Eugene.
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@Sarkastic - the structure of the UO is very different than you might expect. First, the UO was governed by a statewide board until this year. The first thing the new board did was get rid of the president hired by the state board two years ago. Knight isn't on the board, but you know he has representation. Also, the athletic department is supported by a private foundation which is not controlled by the university. Actually, the university has a substantial endowment which is not controlled by the board, since the state does not provide much support. That may be changing with the new board.sarktastic said:
I like to pretend the Trustees have no control over departments and finances within their University. It's what I like to do.AZDuck said:
Oregon's athletic department endowment is somewhere north of $150 million - which has nothing to do with the $560 million university endowment. And yeah, Phil.sarktastic said:So, what... we're just going to ignore the fact UW has a $2.5 Billion endowment vs. $1/2 billion for Oregon?
TLDR - pm me if you really care
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Please provide a link proving University of Oregon Athletics are not governed by the University of Oregon.
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Officially, the University in charge.sarktastic said:Please provide a link proving University of Oregon Athletics are not governed by the University of Oregon.
Thank you in advance.
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http://committees.uoregon.edu/sites/committees.uoregon.edu/files/IAC email correspondence with Pres Berdahl Jan-Mar 2012.pdf
http://www.opb.org/news/article/knights-100-million-comes-question/
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2984161
http://www.goducks.com/fls/500/pages/athlfin/Dec-2010-Legacy-Fund-Model-Update.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=500
http://www.uofoundation.org/s/1540/foundation/start.aspx
http://www.uofoundation.org/s/1540/foundation/index.aspx?sid=1540&gid=1&pgid=1037 -
I see. You cannot. Which is what I suspected in the first place.
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Shut up Canard. Recruiting was good under Chip and it will be good under Helfrich. Either he will win big or he won't. We'll find out.Canard said:
We've all watched you chasing that high for fourteen years now. It ain't pretty. I'm giving Slingblade a pass for last year since he was new to the role and Mariota got banged up. This season we've had three scholarship OTs felled and thus far the staff has schemed around it rather than make excuses.RoadDawg55 said:
I'm surprised you can live with the Bellotti level after experiencing the Chip level. I think @PDXDuckFan said the same thing (insert gay smiley here). He thinks 10-3 is a great season. As someone who is a fan of a team that is currently a 7-9 win team, let me tell you... It sucks. If that is how it is going to be, I would say you are better off winning 5 one season, firing Helfrich and getting a new coach.AZDuck said:I can live with Bellotti levels of good (7-9 win seasons, punctuated by occasional 10-11 win seasons) for a while. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle with the new hire. Nobody thought Jimmy Johnson was all that great after Schnelly. People thought even less of Dennis Erickson, yet he was able to keep Miami winning at a high level for a while. That and all the cocaine.
Lambright's trend was downward. That remains to be seen with Helftroof
The one thing helfried absolutely has on Kelly is that he enjoys recruiting and tolerates the rubber chicken circuit. Those two traits buy him a lot of rope with THE donor.
And if anything, Hellboy has an easier bar to clear. Chip had to finish the regular season #1 or 2. Now it's only a top 4 finish required. If he somehow lasts through the current postseason structure, helman's is only looking at having to finish top 6 or 8.
The Ducks have been ranked in the top fifteen for five years running as of this week. Hellacious is over 20% of that streak and growing. It's easier to get to the top when you're always hanging around there pre-and-post-season. -
So an internal pissing match in which the President confirms his authority over athletics several times, is your source?AZDuck said:http://committees.uoregon.edu/sites/committees.uoregon.edu/files/IAC email correspondence with Pres Berdahl Jan-Mar 2012.pdf
http://www.opb.org/news/article/knights-100-million-comes-question/
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2984161
http://www.goducks.com/fls/500/pages/athlfin/Dec-2010-Legacy-Fund-Model-Update.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=500
http://www.uofoundation.org/s/1540/foundation/start.aspx
http://www.uofoundation.org/s/1540/foundation/index.aspx?sid=1540&gid=1&pgid=1037
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And the President is telling the faculty senate to GTFO... and the President is good buddies with...
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This thread delivers like needles to the scrotum.
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USC and Michigan epically failed, and did not improve despite spending big $$$. Hoke and Sark were joke hires, and both coaches constantly get ridiculed on this board. Citing either school is FSRoadDawg55 said:
That must be why USC and Michigan have such great coaches. Oregon has plenty of money to hire a great coach, but it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes you can't get the guy(s) you want. Sometimes the great hire on paper doesn't work out. It's an inexact science.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No shitGladstone said:
CoachingPostGameOrangeSlices said:
I actually agree with this fucktard.Canard said:
You've somehow gone 4-1 with two flaming bags of dog shit at QB. The facilities are all built and the war chest is permanently full. If Helfrich can't get it done, someone else will.RoadDawg55 said:There are Quooks that deserve 0-12. That grandfather story was awesome. It almost makes Phil Bleenor look good. Anyways, it's all over with Helfrich. Duck fans can say LIPO and I don't blame them because they still have a good thing going, but it's not going to end well. I love that he is Oregon's coach. Mariota is masking some serious issues. How many games would they win without him?
Don't know if you've heard but the Dark Ages are over.
Oregon is going to be good for the long-haul. They've spent too much money not to be. So long as Phil Knight is doing blow off of freshman anus, the Ducks will be relevant.
is
everything
And $$$$$$$$ is pretty much everything when trying to find a good coach.
