OFFICIAL Make America Healthy Again Game Thread - Featuring Dr Anthony Chaffee
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a meatless life is a life not worth living. #nodiddy
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Almost everything we’ve been taught about food is a lie
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The hardcore husky advertisement brought me here. I hope you got a commission.
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I like food.
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We are already several pages in the tug thread that started a few weeks ago with Bobby Jr
So this one should be safe
I am FOR being healthy
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The Tug is always first and right.
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I speak only for myself
In 2019 went for a check up and got the high blood pressure speech. First one pill then two a day. Had the Gordon Gekko BP monitor on my desk
Was told to stop drinking and smoking weed..
Pills made me feel like shit. As did sobriety
Did my own research lol and found that diet and weight loss and walking could work
Threw away the pills. BP got down. Threw away the monitor. Still here
I saw my mom's medicine cabinet filled to the brim with prescriptions
That didn't strike me as medicine
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VO2 Max is the number 1 predictor of longevity.
Diet and stuff matters but people stress out over minutia- e.g., seed oils.
Exercise is king above all else.
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I've been dealing with high blood pressure and cholesterol. Several doctors telling me the exact same thing. Exercise, exercise, sleep, diet. That's my order of priorities.
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90%+ of medical prescriptions and procedures are trying to solve problems which could be solved by proper diet and exercise. Magic Bullets don’t exist although Ozempic is trying to make a case.
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Once upon a time, the docs didn't sweat you too bad on BP if you were below 140/90. Nowadays, you get sweated if you're over 120/80. I've always been in higher range of "normal"…usually like 129 over 83 type stuff. My cholesterol is ok, but no great (something I get from my mom). But my BMI is good and my VO2 max is elite for late 40s guy. I have a YUGE fucking motor.
So my PCP has this cool tool where they input all of your numbers from a blood work and physical to calculate risk of heart disease or stroke in the next 10 years. For a guy at my age, anything below a 5% risk factor in the next 10 years is good. My number was 4%. My doc said if we put you on BP pill to reduce the topline number by 10pts, the risk % only drops to 3% so it's just not worth it.
He said the lowest hanging fruit for me would be to get the number of servings of alcohol down a lot and that would likely drop the BP by 10 pts. It's hard; it's a process cause I want bourbon, I want scotch and I want beer.
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You have an elite VO2 max. You're good, pal.
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It's interesting to walk about cities like London or NYC where the average bloke still has to walk a few miles today to get around town even when riding the Tube or Subway. You just don't see nearly as much obesity.
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I'm noticing a lot of FAT guys on jobsites these days. Don't remember that many before
Shut down the man lifts and make fatty climb the stairs
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I noticed during the great White Wakanda (free) roofing boom of 2022- 23, there were no fatties in the trade.
Doesn't matter if they were @creepycoug s or the native, good old boys.
Roofing seems like a hard, physically demanding gig.
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I checked out the Tug thread. I mean, ok. I do believe the recommendations of low-fat at the expense of healthy fats are wrong and I have plenty of data to support it, but still, everything in moderation.
If you move your body sufficiently and eat actual food (without eating too much) you'll be ok. You can have some junk, but it is really an everything in moderation deal. And I would rather spend my bad calories on Vodka just to torment Yella.
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I still gotta watch it. Crap family history and crap disease to deal with, but my numbers say I'm good.
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McDonald's took all the heat because they are so big so the little guys under the radar can still give you greased up fries
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Dicks fries or GTFO
100% REAL Pacific Northwest potatoes, hand-cut fresh daily! Our fry oil is 100% High Oleic Sunflower oil and is not processed in a plant that processes peanuts.
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Pure carnivore is a type of magic bullet. But it can be difficult to stick to if one is addicted to coffee or any type of sweets, even non-sugar.
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I have started pan-searing my steaks with beef tallow. It's great not just because it's healthier but also because it has a high heat tolerance without smoking. I can get the cast iron up to 500 degrees without smoke and its fantastic for generating a crust.
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Can you expand on what pure carnivore means exactly? At a high level what are the parameters and food included?
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Pure anything sounds sketchy
I actually went vegan for 6 months in California due to my smoking hot assistant being vegan
Lot of fucking work to get protein when you can just grill a steak
Moderation in all things
I know that Al Michaels says he never eats vegetables
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Towards the end of my time in the Army I went in for a doctors appointment. They took my blood pressure and said it was high. Had me go back 2-3 times to recheck. High each time. I was shocked. Still in pretty shape and no family history of high blood pressure.
After the follow ups, the clinic sent me to the hospital for another appointment and likely a prescription for blood pressure meds. As with every appointment, they check my blood pressure. After the nurse does it, she says yeah it’s high. As she does, I’m bending my arm and she says “oh, your arms are bigger than I thought” I joke, “thanks for noticing, I’ve been working out.”
She says, “we use different size blood pressure cuffs that are color coded. I used the medium size on you and that will throw off the reading. I need to recheck this.”
Sure enough, blood pressure was just fine.
Moral of the story, double check things when a doc wants to put you on meds.
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Mrs Nacho cooks really healthy foods for us but I love to eat. I finally was able to cut out dinner 2-4 times a week. That started in July and I’m down 10lbs. (482 to 472).
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Blood pressure readings are something I always take with a grain of salt (pun intended). Last visit to the dentist they put something on my finger that said my BP was 150/90. Had a regular doctor checkup a few days later and it was 120/80.
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I think there has to be a healthy skepticism of "magic bullet" diets like keto or pure carnivore. Some folks might see some short terms gains with weight loss, but these diets seems pretty risky in the long term.
Man is an omnivore evolved over millions of years to eat plants and animal proteins.
Anything to excess (fat, sugar, alcohol) is a bad idea. All things in moderation.
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Sticking an unhealthy person (which is 75% of Americans at this point) on any kind of fad diet will work because they're forced to cut out a bunch of shit foods and drinks. At a certain point the gains (or losses) stop. There is no way eating nothing but meat 24/7 is good for you in the long run. I've seen a couple of people drop a lot of weight on specific diets and when they transitioned off the diet they had gallbladder problems which required surgical removal, as well as other weird blood testing issues.
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It also becomes very challenging to ascribe changes in health outcomes to one single variable when there are so many variables involved, as well as which health outcome to measure against.
I'm sure eating "pure carnivore" can lead to weight loss and other positive outcomes if it is replacing a crap diet. That makes it less bad, not necessarily good. The measurement is not against crap, it is against healthy balanced diets.
I will state that for me personally, who probably has more data about his health outcomes than anyone here (full bloodwork 2x per year, realtime blood sugar readings), I have experienced higher LDL cholesterol measurements when eating more meat (bacon in particular) over a multi-month time period. My diet is fairly strict and repetitive for at least half of the 21 weekly meals and when we got into a bacon habit for a while, that LDL definitely bumped up. After shutting that down the LDL went back down.
I would be very challenged to accept a suggestion that I should eliminate the 3-5 servings of fruits & veggies and the 1-2 services of nuts/legumes that I eat each day and replace it with pure meat and that I will somehow improve all of my numbers (LDL, HDL, total cholesterol, BP, A1C, weight, kidney protein measurements, body fat). All my shit is where it is supposed to be to be healthy, so there better be some serious data to suggest purely meats.
