As a proud holder of a B of A in History from a Public Ivy (hi @creepycoug !!) I would never go to see Hamilton.
Me and other scholars like @pawz like to get our history from thick 800 to 1000 page Chernow authored bios.
Learning history from hip hop Broadway? GTFOH!
I also hold history credentials from the same fine institution, and while the musical butchers most facts about Hamilton’s life, I take the opposite stance.
I happily saw the musical, which I enjoyed, and was thrilled it’s served as a “gateway drug” for many young people and got them interested in the subject again.
Sadly in this era of misinformation and overemphasis on STEM, fields vital to our society like history, civics, and philosophy need the FREE PUB!
I took an intro to philosophy class, and it was a big revelation. I thought it would just be an easy GUR, but it ended up being somewhat life-changing. First few weeks of the class were all about basic boolean logic. Turns out debate is nothing but math in another language, and fuck the public school system for not addressing this sooner!
I'm not going to go as far as saying that a philosophy degree is useful in 2024, but I will say that not teaching basic logic to, say, middle-schoolers is perhaps the biggest failing of the education system in our country. Not teaching kids how easy it is to manipulate people with logic has to be the biggest contributor to the negative aspects of society that I can think of.
Yes! I’m in no way saying that people should be majoring in philosophy, but taking a free course on it via Khan Academy or even watching the series “The Good Place” (a comedy that delves into moral philosophy) is a GOOD thing because that curriculum was completely gutted by most places. It’s the study of knowledge and the meaning of life for fuck sake, and that’s where everything should start.
Why shouldn't people major in philosophy? We need more people with that.. er.. skillet?... but for real, people can't write or think when they graduate college today. 22 year old will always be idiots, they may as well have those capabilities. Some engineers (few, but some) figure out real world problem solving and looking for solutions where you weren't already told the end result which is great and the other end of the practical skills spectrum.
100% problem solving and communication matters more than "I did C++ and some irrelevant math for some years in school".
I read that traditional degrees will probably be more useful again with generative AI/LLM's in the near future.
Why shouldn't people major in philosophy? We need more people with that.. er.. skillet?... but for real, people can't write or think when they graduate college today. 22 year old will always be idiots, they may as well have those capabilities. Some engineers (few, but some) figure out real world problem solving and looking for solutions where you weren't already told the end result which is great and the other end of the practical skills spectrum.
Let me be the first to backtrack on that notion. I guess I only took a single philosophy class and was extrapolating. That class was probably the single most valuable that I took in college, but I got the impression it would be diminishing returns past that as far as building a whole major around it. Introductory philosophy was a revelation. So was introductory law. So was econ in the sense that ALL of these subjects can be broken down to just math in a different language. When seen that way, it's simplified.
Liberal arts degrees are shat all over these days, but I think that's only because the cost has skyrocketed to the point where the cost of the degree is disproportional to the monetary benefit, and our culture increasingly devalues traits that don't directly add monetary value. Coming from someone who's college major has basically nothing to do with his current jerb, what's wrong with being a person that has a grasp of logic and history?
My limited experience led me to believe that if one wanted to crush the LSAT and go to law school, philosophy and history should be the focus of undergrad. I think the same is true for the random schmuck that doesn't mind dropping six figures to be a more well-rounded person before becoming grist for the mill ("present!"). Want to be an engineer, doctor, banker, programmer, etc., there are too many other requirements to focus on, but at least a basic understanding of logic and history should not be optional.
Got a liberal arts education at UW and ended up doing just as well, if not better, than my electrical engineering buddies — financially, emotionally and socially.
This was back in the day when EVERYONE! laffed and called you names if you weren’t getting a technical education.
To all those, I have enjoyed one extended fuck you.
I took my computer science degree to Amazon and make a $1 million dollars total comp. Soooo those C++ classes do pay off.
No one said those aren't still really valuable, but we?ve fired our fair share of people with them because they couldn't do the things I posted above very well.
Just want to get the word out there. It makes me cringe when people make the argument that getting educated in tech isn’t worth it. It DOES pay, even if you’re not working for a big tech company.
We’ll see how AI plays out and changes things but it is a lucrative field at the moment (if you don’t get laid off)
lol why would you thumbs down me for that? I’m trying to give decent advice. No one said a philosophy class while getting your degree is a bad idea, I’m disputing you dismissing C++ classes
Tech is still a good field to be in and many out there don’t realize how good it is.
lol why would you thumbs down me for that? I’m trying to give decent advice. No one said a philosophy class while getting your degree is a bad idea, I’m disputing you dismissing C++ classes
Tech is still a good field to be in and many out there don’t realize how good it is.
CS here. Pretty sure most people realize it's still valuable given the investment and application volumes has only grown.
Did C, Python, Java, JS and some basic SQL.
You don't need to do those degrees in college to learn the languages anymore. Ana there's still some irrelevant classes you have to take because everyone except Cal and Stanford needs ABET accreditation.
Just want to get the word out there. It makes me cringe when people make the argument that getting educated in tech isn’t worth it. It DOES pay, even if you’re not working for a big tech company.
We’ll see how AI plays out and changes things but it is a lucrative field at the moment (if you don’t get laid off)
wtf are you talking about? No one is saying this, you are just making bullshit up
Just want to get the word out there. It makes me cringe when people make the argument that getting educated in tech isn’t worth it. It DOES pay, even if you’re not working for a big tech company.
We’ll see how AI plays out and changes things but it is a lucrative field at the moment (if you don’t get laid off)
wtf are you talking about? No one is saying this, you are just making bullshit up
Just want to get the word out there. It makes me cringe when people make the argument that getting educated in tech isn’t worth it. It DOES pay, even if you’re not working for a big tech company.
We’ll see how AI plays out and changes things but it is a lucrative field at the moment (if you don’t get laid off)
wtf are you talking about? No one is saying this, you are just making bullshit up
wtf are you talking about? No one is saying this, you are just making bullshit
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I read that traditional degrees will probably be more useful again with generative AI/LLM's in the near future.
Liberal arts degrees are shat all over these days, but I think that's only because the cost has skyrocketed to the point where the cost of the degree is disproportional to the monetary benefit, and our culture increasingly devalues traits that don't directly add monetary value. Coming from someone who's college major has basically nothing to do with his current jerb, what's wrong with being a person that has a grasp of logic and history?
My limited experience led me to believe that if one wanted to crush the LSAT and go to law school, philosophy and history should be the focus of undergrad. I think the same is true for the random schmuck that doesn't mind dropping six figures to be a more well-rounded person before becoming grist for the mill ("present!"). Want to be an engineer, doctor, banker, programmer, etc., there are too many other requirements to focus on, but at least a basic understanding of logic and history should not be optional.
This was back in the day when EVERYONE! laffed and called you names if you weren’t getting a technical education.
To all those, I have enjoyed one extended fuck you.
We’ll see how AI plays out and changes things but it is a lucrative field at the moment (if you don’t get laid off)
Tech is still a good field to be in and many out there don’t realize how good it is.
Did C, Python, Java, JS and some basic SQL.
You don't need to do those degrees in college to learn the languages anymore. Ana there's still some irrelevant classes you have to take because everyone except Cal and Stanford needs ABET accreditation.
Wow, @TheHB even you trying flex with this bull shit. I thought you were not a complete fucking loser