Mariners offseason prediction is in.
That is all. France won't go anywhere nor will Suarez. Teoscar is gone. Whatever they can add via trade plus Snell is what we'll get.
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gilbert and kirby would be off limits to me. everyone else can fuck off. but this is why im not a GM
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Any odds regarding Ohtani?
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I don't know but I don't think they're very good. They'll try to low-ball him for $40ish per year when he's going to get $50+. Then they can say they tried.DerekJohnson said:Any odds regarding Ohtani?
Snell gives them a chance to sign a SP, possibly for less than market value, and use the excess that creates to address position players via trade. It isn't what I want but given what we know about the Ms, and what Dipoto queefed out of his twat if his, I think it's what they're setting up for -
Well you were correct about the M's letting Teo walk. 1 for 1 so far!
Snell walks a few too many batters for my taste and he turns 31 in less than a month. Would he be willing to accept a 3 or 4 year deal?
But as you mentioned, that would give them clearance to trade Woo or Miller and one of their top OF prospects for a young / controllable bat. I don't know what they think about Canzone internally so they could upgrade corner OF or 1B with a controllable bat.
Personally, I really like Canzone and think he showed enough to start in RF (with Kelenic in LF) and use Dylan Moore to spell him against LHs (Moore hammers LHP). If Canzone struggles, they can always add a bat before the trade deadline.
But getting so little from power positions like 1B and DH can't happen again so trading Woo or Miller and someone like Gabriel Gonzalez or Michael Arroyo would make a lot of sense. Could they go after Pete Alonso?
Adding Snell and Pete Alonso (and maybe Eloy Jimenez at DH) would make the team much better. -
I figured it all out as far as position players last night.
Sign Rhys Hoskins FA 1b/DH
Trade Bryce Miller in some manner to Tampa for Arozarena and Taylor Walls.
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OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. Star in place…Julio
4. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
5. Ichiro
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All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.Fishpo31 said:OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
4. Ichiro
*Prayingdooggif
I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years. -
You plagiarized my shit…no opt-out for 5, and he will get it, somewhere. Why not here? In five years I may be dead…chuck said:
All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.Fishpo31 said:OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
4. Ichiro
*Prayingdooggif
I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
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Lol did you post similar contract terms? I don't remember but that's probably how it got in my head.Fishpo31 said:
You plagiarized my shit…no opt-out for 5, and he will get it, somewhere. Why not here? In five years I may be dead…chuck said:
All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.Fishpo31 said:OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
4. Ichiro
*Prayingdooggif
I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
Couldn't agree more. I'm in the range now where five years could literally be a lifetime. Fuck what happens after that. -
I didn’t post that, but that was my thinking…well playedchuck said:
Lol did you post similar contract terms? I don't remember but that's probably how it got in my head.Fishpo31 said:
You plagiarized my shit…no opt-out for 5, and he will get it, somewhere. Why not here? In five years I may be dead…chuck said:
All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.Fishpo31 said:OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
4. Ichiro
*Prayingdooggif
I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
Couldn't agree more. I'm in the range now where five years could literally be a lifetime. Fuck what happens after that.
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I just don't see this ownership group concentrating their spending power on 1 player, especially when they likely think they are two bats away.
They would trade for a controllable bat (at corner OF or 1B), sign Hopkins at DH for about $12-$14 million to entice him to Seattle, and then sign Snell for $24 million per. Heck, they could even go after Josh Hader for $15 or $16 million and not be much more than what just Ohtani would cost by himself. -
NY is trying to dump salary and I've read that Alonzo is available... so part with a reasonable package and Sign Pete Alonzo longer term... and then go to Ohtani, offer to pay him 50 mil and say we are serious about winning.. keep your pitching and add one more secondary bat and you are there.
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Or they trade for Alonso and sign Lourdes Gurriel. Then they trade for Eloy Jimenez or sign Rhys Hopkins for DH.TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:NY is trying to dump salary and I've read that Alonzo is available... so part with a reasonable package and Sign Pete Alonzo longer term... and then go to Ohtani, offer to pay him 50 mil and say we are serious about winning.. keep your pitching and add one more secondary bat and you are there.
Would Hancock and Gabby Gonzalez plus a lottery ticket work for Alonso though?
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The Mariners need guys that hit the ball out no matter what the dimensions of the stadium, Alonzo is a generational long ball hitter, a rare opportunity.
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Whether intentional or not (the jury is out for me), 54% raised the bar. They have an opportunity to change the perception of the organization, with players and fans, right NOW. It will take a massive statement to accomplish it. They've been raking cash for years, it is time to spend it. Ohtani / Alonso checks the boxes...
The Rangers had the bats, bought the pitching and won the Series...M's have the arms, time to buy some bats. Period.
Breaking News: Steve Phillips just said on MLB Network that the race for Ohtani: Astros, Rangers, M's...If that doesn't turn the heat up, nothing will.
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I have to think that the Dodgers are still in it.
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When I heard that Dipoto refuses to comment on Ohtani now I took it as a good sign.Fishpo31 said:Whether intentional or not (the jury is out for me), 54% raised the bar. They have an opportunity to change the perception of the organization, with players and fans, right NOW. It will take a massive statement to accomplish it. They've been raking cash for years, it is time to spend it. Ohtani / Alonso checks the boxes...
The Rangers had the bats, bought the pitching and won the Series...M's have the arms, time to buy some bats. Period.
Breaking News: Steve Phillips just said on MLB Network that the race for Ohtani: Astros, Rangers, M's...If that doesn't turn the heat up, nothing will. -
If they sign him, it better be for 70MM+, and could very well be that. God knows they can afford it, because they want to win…HFNY said:I have to think that the Dodgers are still in it.
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I guess it's kind of a loser attitude. Maybe not, but my thought was that if he goes to a division rival then Seattle had better make it hurt, a lot. Bid that fucker up. If you accidentally get him to sign then oh well. Things could be worse.Fishpo31 said:
If they sign him, it better be for 70MM+, and could very well be that. God knows they can afford it, because they want to win…HFNY said:I have to think that the Dodgers are still in it.
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Ohtani lives in seattle in the offseason?Fishpo31 said:OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. Star in place…Julio
4. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
5. Ichiro
*Prayingdooggif -
It was mentioned on MLB network, IIRC. Proximity to Driveline…phineas said:
Ohtani lives in seattle in the offseason?Fishpo31 said:OHTANI or bust…
1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
2. Young core, on the cusp
3. Star in place…Julio
4. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
5. Ichiro
*Prayingdooggif -
Snell should be avoided. He’s very good, but he doesn’t throw many innings, doesn’t pitch deep into games, and led the league in walks.
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They could always go after the 25 year old Japanese pitcher and then trade Miller, Woo, or Hancock and a good OF prospect for a controllable bat.
Eloy Jimenez would be a great fit as a pure DH.
I'd vote for trading for Juan Soto and Eloy Jimenez. Would SD accept Miller, Kelenic, Gabby Gonzalez, and a lottery ticket INF?
I saw someone on MLB.com float the M's trading Suarez and signing Matt Chapman. That seems farther fetched. -
No thanks on Chapman for Suarez. I like Suarez better.HFNY said:They could always go after the 25 year old Japanese pitcher and then trade Miller, Woo, or Hancock and a good OF prospect for a controllable bat.
Eloy Jimenez would be a great fit as a pure DH.
I'd vote for trading for Juan Soto and Eloy Jimenez. Would SD accept Miller, Kelenic, Gabby Gonzalez, and a lottery ticket INF?
I saw someone on MLB.com float the M's trading Suarez and signing Matt Chapman. That seems farther fetched.
No thanks on Soto. I'm not trading a solid starter tied up for 6 years, most of which gets paid for in peanuts, for a one year rental.
I scanned through many of the headlines and a few articles re: the Ms not pursuing Ohtani. I can't find anything substantive. It's a bunch of headlines followed by articles that rephrase the headlines without anything else to back it up. It will probably be true in the end but right now it all looks like click bait from typical click bait sources. -
Ok so Eloy Jimenez at DH would be good and what else would you do (assuming no Ohtani)?chuck said:
No thanks on Chapman for Suarez. I like Suarez better.HFNY said:They could always go after the 25 year old Japanese pitcher and then trade Miller, Woo, or Hancock and a good OF prospect for a controllable bat.
Eloy Jimenez would be a great fit as a pure DH.
I'd vote for trading for Juan Soto and Eloy Jimenez. Would SD accept Miller, Kelenic, Gabby Gonzalez, and a lottery ticket INF?
I saw someone on MLB.com float the M's trading Suarez and signing Matt Chapman. That seems farther fetched.
No thanks on Soto. I'm not trading a solid starter tied up for 6 years, most of which gets paid for in peanuts, for a one year rental.
I scanned through many of the headlines and a few articles re: the Ms not pursuing Ohtani. I can't find anything substantive. It's a bunch of headlines followed by articles that rephrase the headlines without anything else to back it up. It will probably be true in the end but right now it all looks like click bait from typical click bait sources. -
Ms needed upgrades on offense and in the bullpen. The easily upgradeable positions offensively are corner OF, 1b, 2b, and DH. It's possible to kill two of those birds with one stone, and they already nabbed a guy who will help upgrade 2b in a platoon or maybe even as a full time player. It's quite possible to accomplish with a couple of mid FA signings (a starter, a reliever, and maybe one of those positions) and a good trade of one of the two rookie starters. Naming names seems futile to me. There are plenty of options and I think the odds of me picking names that Dipoto will end up dealing for are extremely low so I won't bother.HFNY said:
Ok so Eloy Jimenez at DH would be good and what else would you do (assuming no Ohtani)?chuck said:
No thanks on Chapman for Suarez. I like Suarez better.HFNY said:They could always go after the 25 year old Japanese pitcher and then trade Miller, Woo, or Hancock and a good OF prospect for a controllable bat.
Eloy Jimenez would be a great fit as a pure DH.
I'd vote for trading for Juan Soto and Eloy Jimenez. Would SD accept Miller, Kelenic, Gabby Gonzalez, and a lottery ticket INF?
I saw someone on MLB.com float the M's trading Suarez and signing Matt Chapman. That seems farther fetched.
No thanks on Soto. I'm not trading a solid starter tied up for 6 years, most of which gets paid for in peanuts, for a one year rental.
I scanned through many of the headlines and a few articles re: the Ms not pursuing Ohtani. I can't find anything substantive. It's a bunch of headlines followed by articles that rephrase the headlines without anything else to back it up. It will probably be true in the end but right now it all looks like click bait from typical click bait sources. -
Yeah I like Urias' splits against LHP and maybe he'll bounce back to be above average against RHP.
I'd love to know what they think internally about Tyler Locklear and if they think he can play 3B in 2025.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, another fit could be Anthony Santander. He could play RF and then Canzone and Kelenic could battle for LF (or they have Canzone play some 1B in case Ty doesn't hit very well again).
Jimenez would make more sense since he is controllable and the White Sox are sellers.
What would be really crazy is if the M's signed Yamamoto and then dealt one of their other younger arms for a great hitter.
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Gino to the Dbacks for an arm and backup catcher…
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Seems like a bit of a light return unless they can unlock that reliever's potential.Fishpo31 said:Gino to the Dbacks for an arm and backup catcher…
The backup catcher is the part that bugs me. Now they've acquired two of them. I wanted Murphy re-signed and I don't see this as a positive sign that's happening.
