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Mariners offseason prediction is in.

chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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They're going to sign Blake Snell and use two of their young SP as trade bait to address the offense. I wouldn't even be shocked to see Gilbert was one of the trades if they signed Snell. Don't want that's but it wouldn't shock me.

That is all. France won't go anywhere nor will Suarez. Teoscar is gone. Whatever they can add via trade plus Snell is what we'll get.
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    phineasphineas Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,724
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    gilbert and kirby would be off limits to me. everyone else can fuck off. but this is why im not a GM
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    DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 60,306
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    Any odds regarding Ohtani?
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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    Any odds regarding Ohtani?

    I don't know but I don't think they're very good. They'll try to low-ball him for $40ish per year when he's going to get $50+. Then they can say they tried.

    Snell gives them a chance to sign a SP, possibly for less than market value, and use the excess that creates to address position players via trade. It isn't what I want but given what we know about the Ms, and what Dipoto queefed out of his twat if his, I think it's what they're setting up for
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,528
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    Well you were correct about the M's letting Teo walk. 1 for 1 so far!

    Snell walks a few too many batters for my taste and he turns 31 in less than a month. Would he be willing to accept a 3 or 4 year deal?

    But as you mentioned, that would give them clearance to trade Woo or Miller and one of their top OF prospects for a young / controllable bat. I don't know what they think about Canzone internally so they could upgrade corner OF or 1B with a controllable bat.

    Personally, I really like Canzone and think he showed enough to start in RF (with Kelenic in LF) and use Dylan Moore to spell him against LHs (Moore hammers LHP). If Canzone struggles, they can always add a bat before the trade deadline.

    But getting so little from power positions like 1B and DH can't happen again so trading Woo or Miller and someone like Gabriel Gonzalez or Michael Arroyo would make a lot of sense. Could they go after Pete Alonso?

    Adding Snell and Pete Alonso (and maybe Eloy Jimenez at DH) would make the team much better.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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    I figured it all out as far as position players last night.

    Sign Rhys Hoskins FA 1b/DH
    Trade Bryce Miller in some manner to Tampa for Arozarena and Taylor Walls.

    Profit
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    OHTANI or bust…
    1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
    2. Young core, on the cusp
    3. Star in place…Julio
    4. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
    5. Ichiro

    *Prayingdooggif
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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    Fishpo31 said:

    OHTANI or bust…
    1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
    2. Young core, on the cusp
    3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
    4. Ichiro

    *Prayingdooggif

    All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.

    I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    chuck said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    OHTANI or bust…
    1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
    2. Young core, on the cusp
    3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
    4. Ichiro

    *Prayingdooggif

    All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.

    I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
    You plagiarized my shit…no opt-out for 5, and he will get it, somewhere. Why not here? In five years I may be dead…
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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    Fishpo31 said:

    chuck said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    OHTANI or bust…
    1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
    2. Young core, on the cusp
    3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
    4. Ichiro

    *Prayingdooggif

    All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.

    I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
    You plagiarized my shit…no opt-out for 5, and he will get it, somewhere. Why not here? In five years I may be dead…
    Lol did you post similar contract terms? I don't remember but that's probably how it got in my head.

    Couldn't agree more. I'm in the range now where five years could literally be a lifetime. Fuck what happens after that.
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    chuck said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    chuck said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    OHTANI or bust…
    1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
    2. Young core, on the cusp
    3. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
    4. Ichiro

    *Prayingdooggif

    All signs would point to them being a lead candidate. The only indicator against it is history.

    I don't think I'd do the 12 years, with opt outs every other year, route that I saw suggested. 10 years seems unavoidable but I'd also want that front weighted with incentives at the back end. No opt out for five years.
    You plagiarized my shit…no opt-out for 5, and he will get it, somewhere. Why not here? In five years I may be dead…
    Lol did you post similar contract terms? I don't remember but that's probably how it got in my head.

    Couldn't agree more. I'm in the range now where five years could literally be a lifetime. Fuck what happens after that.
    I didn’t post that, but that was my thinking…well played
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,528
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    I just don't see this ownership group concentrating their spending power on 1 player, especially when they likely think they are two bats away.

    They would trade for a controllable bat (at corner OF or 1B), sign Hopkins at DH for about $12-$14 million to entice him to Seattle, and then sign Snell for $24 million per. Heck, they could even go after Josh Hader for $15 or $16 million and not be much more than what just Ohtani would cost by himself.
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    TheRoarOfTheCrowdTheRoarOfTheCrowd Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,601
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    NY is trying to dump salary and I've read that Alonzo is available... so part with a reasonable package and Sign Pete Alonzo longer term... and then go to Ohtani, offer to pay him 50 mil and say we are serious about winning.. keep your pitching and add one more secondary bat and you are there.
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,528
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    NY is trying to dump salary and I've read that Alonzo is available... so part with a reasonable package and Sign Pete Alonzo longer term... and then go to Ohtani, offer to pay him 50 mil and say we are serious about winning.. keep your pitching and add one more secondary bat and you are there.

    Or they trade for Alonso and sign Lourdes Gurriel. Then they trade for Eloy Jimenez or sign Rhys Hopkins for DH.

    Would Hancock and Gabby Gonzalez plus a lottery ticket work for Alonso though?
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    TheRoarOfTheCrowdTheRoarOfTheCrowd Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,601
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    The Mariners need guys that hit the ball out no matter what the dimensions of the stadium, Alonzo is a generational long ball hitter, a rare opportunity.
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    Whether intentional or not (the jury is out for me), 54% raised the bar. They have an opportunity to change the perception of the organization, with players and fans, right NOW. It will take a massive statement to accomplish it. They've been raking cash for years, it is time to spend it. Ohtani / Alonso checks the boxes...

    The Rangers had the bats, bought the pitching and won the Series...M's have the arms, time to buy some bats. Period.

    Breaking News: Steve Phillips just said on MLB Network that the race for Ohtani: Astros, Rangers, M's...If that doesn't turn the heat up, nothing will.
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    HFNYHFNY Member Posts: 4,528
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    I have to think that the Dodgers are still in it.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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    Fishpo31 said:

    Whether intentional or not (the jury is out for me), 54% raised the bar. They have an opportunity to change the perception of the organization, with players and fans, right NOW. It will take a massive statement to accomplish it. They've been raking cash for years, it is time to spend it. Ohtani / Alonso checks the boxes...

    The Rangers had the bats, bought the pitching and won the Series...M's have the arms, time to buy some bats. Period.

    Breaking News: Steve Phillips just said on MLB Network that the race for Ohtani: Astros, Rangers, M's...If that doesn't turn the heat up, nothing will.

    When I heard that Dipoto refuses to comment on Ohtani now I took it as a good sign.
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    I have to think that the Dodgers are still in it.

    If they sign him, it better be for 70MM+, and could very well be that. God knows they can afford it, because they want to win…
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,647
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    Fishpo31 said:

    HFNY said:

    I have to think that the Dodgers are still in it.

    If they sign him, it better be for 70MM+, and could very well be that. God knows they can afford it, because they want to win…
    I guess it's kind of a loser attitude. Maybe not, but my thought was that if he goes to a division rival then Seattle had better make it hurt, a lot. Bid that fucker up. If you accidentally get him to sign then oh well. Things could be worse.
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    phineasphineas Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,724
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    Fishpo31 said:

    OHTANI or bust…
    1. Deep staff, no pressure for quick return to mound
    2. Young core, on the cusp
    3. Star in place…Julio
    4. He lives in Seattle in the off season, which I just found out (Driveline)
    5. Ichiro

    *Prayingdooggif

    Ohtani lives in seattle in the offseason?
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