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Mariners Baby, stretch run edition

chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam
Ah fuck it. NOC.

The Angel tears are so fucking sweet though. Yes, I know I'm a moog. Beat Anaheim, nothing else matters.

It's not over til it's over though. Julio only looks like a retard in about 1/3 of his ABs now rather than 2/3. Raleigh is having his late season power surge like last year. Suarez is a pretty clutch hitter just like he was late last year. France is bound to have a better stretch run since it would be hard to be as bad as he was all season.

This team gets weirdly good late in the season. I know that we know, but still, you just never know.
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    BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,779 Founders Club
    I thought it was beat Houston, nothing else matters? Or not so much since they aren't an AL West OG?
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam

    I thought it was beat Houston, nothing else matters? Or not so much since they aren't an AL West OG?

    Beat Anaheim. Nothing else matters, except beating Houston.

    I get over excited about beating the Angels. Somehow I hate them more than most rivals.
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    CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,493
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,260 Swaye's Wigwam
    chuck said:

    I thought it was beat Houston, nothing else matters? Or not so much since they aren't an AL West OG?

    Beat Anaheim. Nothing else matters, except beating Houston.

    I get over excited about beating the Angels. Somehow I hate them more than most rivals.
    Blue Jays?
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    I thought it was beat Houston, nothing else matters? Or not so much since they aren't an AL West OG?

    Beat Anaheim. Nothing else matters, except beating Houston.

    I get over excited about beating the Angels. Somehow I hate them more than most rivals.
    Blue Jays?
    Nope. I actually used to like the Blue Jays back in the John Olerud, Joe Carter, Robbie Alomar days.
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,260 Swaye's Wigwam
    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    I thought it was beat Houston, nothing else matters? Or not so much since they aren't an AL West OG?

    Beat Anaheim. Nothing else matters, except beating Houston.

    I get over excited about beating the Angels. Somehow I hate them more than most rivals.
    Blue Jays?
    Nope. I actually used to like the Blue Jays back in the John Olerud, Joe Carter, Robbie Alomar days.
    You don’t pitch Carter an inside fastball, you just don’t.

    Jays are right ahead of us in the wild card standings last time I checked.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    I thought it was beat Houston, nothing else matters? Or not so much since they aren't an AL West OG?

    Beat Anaheim. Nothing else matters, except beating Houston.

    I get over excited about beating the Angels. Somehow I hate them more than most rivals.
    Blue Jays?
    Nope. I actually used to like the Blue Jays back in the John Olerud, Joe Carter, Robbie Alomar days.
    You don’t pitch Carter an inside fastball, you just don’t.

    Jays are right ahead of us in the wild card standings last time I checked.
    Ms came into today a half game ahead of Toronto and both teams won. I haven't looked but I think they're only a game and a half behind Houston now.
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,260 Swaye's Wigwam
    I’ve been checking every day. I guess I care a little bit.
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,260 Swaye's Wigwam
    M’s win. Making a run for TexASS
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam

    M’s win. Making a run for TexASS

    If they just kind of hold serve otherwise and hang within a few games they can write their own ticket. 7 games left with Texas and 3 more with Houston.
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    CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,493
    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    But yes he brings baserunning and defense to go along with it. Complete package.
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    DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 60,908 Founders Club
    edited August 2023
    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    My first fantasy team was in 1990 (The Johnson City Gigolos). Rickey Henderson hit .325 with 28 dingers, 61 RBIs and 65 stolen bases, if memory serves me correct. Julio is within shouting distance of that type of 4 category production.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited August 2023
    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.

    It seems your disagreement is mostly over my choice of labels..."slap hitter" is not what I would label him. I'm just saying that's part of his game and he is at his best when he's using it to get on base and set the table, with the occasional display of power.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    My first fantasy team was in 1990 (The Johnson City Gigolos). Rickey Henderson hit .325 with 28 dingers, 61 RBIs and 65 stolen bases, if memory serves me correct. Julio is within shouting distance of that type of 4 category production.
    Henderson is who I was thinking of. Julio should have a few more homers as he develops and hopefully will gain some of Henderson's patience and on base skills. I see him as more likely to compete for a batting title than HR title though.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.
    Let's take a look at his exit velocities in the streak (if nothing is noted it's a normal single)

    Wednesday (4-6)

    112.2 (double)
    100.7
    93.4 (flyout)
    95.4
    K
    89.6 (If hit)

    Thursday (5-5)

    89.4 (If hit)
    95.6
    96
    110.5 (double)
    110.5 (HR)

    Friday (4-5)

    97.6
    100.7 (HR)
    76.9
    72.1 (reached on error)
    83.1 (If hit)

    Saturday

    106.1
    K
    109.2
    95.3
    93.5
    K

    That's a dude who is mostly hitting the snot out of the ball who has the wheels to still beat it out when he doesn't. Not a guy who is, or should, go up looking to slap the ball.

    He'll hit 40. Maybe even 50. Get your screenshots.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,769 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    dnc said:

    chuck said:

    Julio is a different breed. He’s on of those humans you see in movies that are artificially made in a test tube.

    I was just watching a few highlight clips and kind of chuckled about the debates over his spot in the batting order. People have been fooled by the HR Derby and the occasional 115mph bomb. I've even been fooled by his size and the assumption that he's too big to be a center fielder long term.

    Julio is a leadoff hitter and table setter all the way. Just watching him run and ignoring how he towers over most other players one could easily be fooled into thinking he's a 5'10", pure base running and defensive specialist. He's a lot better at slapping the ball around and occasionally driving a mistake than he is at swinging for the big fly. I think his peak will still be 30 homers or so but with a .300+ batting average, a ton of doubles, and 30-40 steals. The only thing he doesn't have in his game as a leadoff guy is a high walk rate and real high on base %, but I see those both improving.
    He hits the ball much harder than a slap hitter. That's why people forecast all the power. It's there he just has to lift the ball a little more to get to it.

    He'll hit 40 in a season at least once by the time he's 25.
    He's getting a ton of slap hits. That's what drove the 17 hit streak. Three infield singles and multiple jam shots into right field. Yes, he can crush the ball but he's best at hitting for average over power.

    I don't think we'll ever see 40 homers.
    Let's take a look at his exit velocities in the streak (if nothing is noted it's a normal single)

    Wednesday (4-6)

    112.2 (double)
    100.7
    93.4 (flyout)
    95.4
    K
    89.6 (If hit)

    Thursday (5-5)

    89.4 (If hit)
    95.6
    96
    110.5 (double)
    110.5 (HR)

    Friday (4-5)

    97.6
    100.7 (HR)
    76.9
    72.1 (reached on error)
    83.1 (If hit)

    Saturday

    106.1
    K
    109.2
    95.3
    93.5
    K

    That's a dude who is mostly hitting the snot out of the ball who has the wheels to still beat it out when he doesn't. Not a guy who is, or should, go up looking to slap the ball.

    He'll hit 40. Maybe even 50. Get your screenshots.
    So he crushed 5/17 of his hits in that hot streak and has two more a hair over 100mph. The rest were slaps.
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