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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    Nothing like not playing and both losers losing.

    It just makes that blown game fuckery against Chicago sting that much more for me. They should be tied with texass and a full game ahead of the asstros.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    chuck said:

    One thing the Ms seem to do really well down the stretch, almost ridiculously well, is cycle through a murderers row of pitchers who's careers are going nowhere, and get solid innings out of them. Watch that failed starter they just signed, Weaver I think, find something that works and really help them.

    The one thing I absolutely believe in this organization doing well repeatedly is building a bullpen from spare parts. It's why I'll always support trading relievers away for other valuable pieces.

    Incredible call on Weaver, btw.
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    RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,123
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    Canzone and Rojas for Sewald has worked out great so far. We are better this year from the trade. Both are contributing and have been good additions to the lineup.

    I really like Canzone. He was a 4A player, right on the cusp of the majors. Great hitter in the minors and finally we added someone that does not strike out at a high rate. Rojas has been even more important, considering how bad Kolton Wong was.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    Canzone and Rojas for Sewald has worked out great so far. We are better this year from the trade. Both are contributing and have been good additions to the lineup.

    I really like Canzone. He was a 4A player, right on the cusp of the majors. Great hitter in the minors and finally we added someone that does not strike out at a high rate. Rojas has been even more important, considering how bad Kolton Wong was.

    I really like both guys at least offensively. Canzone makes contact and has decent power. I think he'll walk more as he settles in too. Rojas has a couple of pretty good seasons already under his belt and has really picked it up lately.

    It was a good return. Bliss might even be a decent major leaguer.
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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,013
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    chuck said:

    One thing the Ms seem to do really well down the stretch, almost ridiculously well, is cycle through a murderers row of pitchers who's careers are going nowhere, and get solid innings out of them. Watch that failed starter they just signed, Weaver I think, find something that works and really help them.

    They seem to be able to find something from their pitchers overlooked by other teams. Neither Woo or Miller were very good in college. Woo was especially bad. Every year they seem to have a couple relievers step up that were not any good for their previous teams.
    Wanted to respond for a few days...life. Up until 10-15 years ago, you were what you were when drafted, and then it was survival of the fittest. Adjustments, new pitches, arm slot were pretty-much last-ditch efforts to save failing careers. Pitchers refused instruction all the tim (when offered), out of ignorance, pride, and that coaches just weren't that knowledgeable.

    Relievers were washed up starters, or guys that just weren't good enough to start, and rarely pitched unless the starter bombed out early. When I was a scoot, if I turned in a guy as a reliever, it was a non-starter (heh-heh) unless the guy was 95+, with a second pitch that was workable. A lot of the pen guys we see now are/were not starters, because of funky deliveries, lack of a third/fourth pitch, or command issues likely caused by the delivery. You get a guy with a great arm, get 2 plus-pitches (grade-wise) out of him (big FB, slider or split), and hammer location and sequencing, and let him go.

    I had a stud about 12 years ago, 90-92 in HS, with a plus curveball, and a ++ slider. I worked with him for 3 years on a change-up, and his hands were so big, he couldn't get the feel of it. Same in college...when he signed pro, they junked his breaking balls, taught him a split (I refused to let him throw one, because it hashes the elbow), and he became a back-end guy, playing for 6-7 years.

    Scouts look for arm action, athleticism, and aptitude, in addition to the tools. These guys have big arms, were under-used in college because of command (a big plus for scouts, btw, no over-use). Tech has caught up, and the M's max it out. The clubs that were in early on it changed the game, not unlike Moneyball...




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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,013
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    1st

    Who'da thunk? I sure can't beat my chest. I gave up on them before the all star break.

    It's still a long, rough road to the playoffs. Texas is still good. Houston is still good. Toronto is 4 back now but they're good too. Ms need to keep winning 2/3 to make sure.
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    BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,615
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    Final 10 games of the season are against the Rangers and Astros. 7 with Texas, 3 with Houston. That'll be a wild 10 day run.

    Somehow, the M's have dominated Houston this year. They have been Daddy for so long that I just assumed the M's sucked against them until the recent sweep in Houston.

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    dirtysouwfdawgdirtysouwfdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,013
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    If anyone was wondering why they're in a funk right now, I'm probably to blame. I got a Fubo sub so I could watch the rest of the season on Root. They tend to struggle when I watch.

    Sorry everyone. TSIO.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,813
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    chuck said:

    If anyone was wondering why they're in a funk right now, I'm probably to blame. I got a Fubo sub so I could watch the rest of the season on Root. They tend to struggle when I watch.

    Sorry everyone. TSIO.

    I started paying attention

    I share some blame
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    I can’t remember the last tim I watched the 9th inning when they had a lead…drives the wife crazy

    Edit: better her than me…
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    It worked again…took the new pup for a walk when it hit bottom 9….
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    Fishpo31 said:

    It worked again…took the new pup for a walk when it hit bottom 9….

    Fucking Fubo froze up with two outs and the guy on second. I actually felt thankful as Munoz is going to give me a stroke one of these days. Gave it a few minutes and then checked Google and the game was over. What a relief.
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    chuck said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    It worked again…took the new pup for a walk when it hit bottom 9….

    Fucking Fubo froze up with two outs and the guy on second. I actually felt thankful as Munoz is going to give me a stroke one of these days. Gave it a few minutes and then checked Google and the game was over. What a relief.
    Definitely been there…it sucks, but it’s more reliable than cable and cheaper than satellite in my neck of the woods…
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    Fishpo31 said:

    chuck said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    It worked again…took the new pup for a walk when it hit bottom 9….

    Fucking Fubo froze up with two outs and the guy on second. I actually felt thankful as Munoz is going to give me a stroke one of these days. Gave it a few minutes and then checked Google and the game was over. What a relief.
    Definitely been there…it sucks, but it’s more reliable than cable and cheaper than satellite in my neck of the woods…
    It's not going to be reliable until I cough up for star link or whatever it's called now. Fucking CenturyLink.
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    chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 10,648
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    TSIO

    Yep. It was a house of cards. I didn't want to but pretty much felt that way through all of August.

    Maybe I started to believe a little. I'm a moog.
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    Fishpo31Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,269
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    They are a better club than last year, IMO. They lost 350(+ -) innings of MLB starting pitching with Ray and Marco, and Handcack and the other guy who threw 6 no-hit innings in his first and only start, IIRC, ending with Miller / Woo, who while good are in uncharted territory innings-wise. It crushed a very good bullpen.

    I think with the way arms are getting chewed up and spit out, you've gotta damn near have 6-8 MLB ready guys in 3/2A at the outset of every season, for insurance. The guys they brought up got no soft landing, for sure.

    I just did a little research...the M's have 5 pitchers on the DL...The Dodgers have 14 (and one wife/girlfriend/mistress/escort / rando-pick-up beater off the roster). The difference is the Dodgers have enough offense (Cap'n Obvious) to cover it. Their young guys are good (as are ours), but they don't have the need to go 5-6-7 shut out innings every turn like the M's guys do.

    They have established the rep as a pitching factory, which will help with free agency going forward, and should continue to uncover bullpen arms. They have a solid to good core, pitching and hitting, now they have to build it out.
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